It was unfair to mankind

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Not babies and children. All, meaning not just Jews who were given the law, but gentiles by conscience of right and wrong. Try reading the whole chapter.
Scripture so plainly says that "All have sinned" and some say, No that's not true! Babies and children are sinless.
To some point I will agree with that yes. Babies have not committed any personal sin (whereby Deut. comes in that every man is accountable for his own sin[personal sin]. But the "all have sinned", the Holy Spirit points back to Adam, the one man by who sin entered into the world (young, old) Scripture says that God was in Christ reconciling the world (sinful world, not righteous people). Paul says Christ died for us while we were yet sinners. Question - Did Christ died for babies also? If yes, then why would he have died for them if they're sinless, right with God? If He did not died for babies also, then they don't need His atonement blood to be safe. Somebody said that the babies are safe under the blood. Just listen to that. Why would they be safe under the blood if they don't need the blood in he first place since they're sinless Who appears before the Great White Throne and who appears before the Judgement Seat of Christ?
The ONLY sinless being that walked the face of the earth was the Son of God.
 

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Scripture so plainly says that "All have sinned" and some say, No that's not true! Babies and children are sinless.
To some point I will agree with that yes. Babies have not committed any personal sin (whereby Deut. comes in that every man is accountable for his own sin[personal sin]. But the "all have sinned", the Holy Spirit points back to Adam, the one man by who sin entered into the world (young, old) Scripture says that God was in Christ reconciling the world (sinful world, not righteous people). Paul says Christ died for us while we were yet sinners. Question - Did Christ died for babies also? If yes, then why would he have died for them if they're sinless, right with God? If He did not died for babies also, then they don't need His atonement blood to be safe. Somebody said that the babies are safe under the blood. Just listen to that. Why would they be safe under the blood if they don't need the blood in he first place since they're sinless Who appears before the Great White Throne and who appears before the Judgement Seat of Christ?
The ONLY sinless being that walked the face of the earth was the Son of God.
Jesus said he was not of this world and neither are we in Christ. (Jn.17:14, 16)

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1Jn.2:16

Jesus told Pilate his Kingdom was not of this world (Jn.18:36), but Jesus told his disciples that children were of his Kingdom (Mk.10:14). Children belong to his Kingdom already.

Go back to Romans 1 and read it up to where Paul says, "all have sinned and fall short." He doesn't mean every person on earth. He means, not only Jews by the law, but including gentiles who by conscience have sinned.
 
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Scripture so plainly says that "All have sinned" and some say, No that's not true! Babies and children are sinless.
To some point I will agree with that yes. Babies have not committed any personal sin (whereby Deut. comes in that every man is accountable for his own sin[personal sin]. But the "all have sinned", the Holy Spirit points back to Adam, the one man by who sin entered into the world (young, old) Scripture says that God was in Christ reconciling the world (sinful world, not righteous people). Paul says Christ died for us while we were yet sinners. Question - Did Christ died for babies also? If yes, then why would he have died for them if they're sinless, right with God? If He did not died for babies also, then they don't need His atonement blood to be safe. Somebody said that the babies are safe under the blood. Just listen to that. Why would they be safe under the blood if they don't need the blood in he first place since they're sinless Who appears before the Great White Throne and who appears before the Judgement Seat of Christ?
The ONLY sinless being that walked the face of the earth was the Son of God.
Yes JESUS died on the cross paying penalty for our sin satisfying the demand of the law for GOD Is a righteous GOD but sin Is not Imputed where there Is no law.
 
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Jesus said he was not of this world and neither are we in Christ. (Jn.17:14, 16)

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1Jn.2:16

Jesus told Pilate his Kingdom was not of this world (Jn.18:36), but Jesus told his disciples that children were of his Kingdom (Mk.10:14). Children belong to his Kingdom already.

Go back to Romans 1 and read it up to where Paul says, "all have sinned and fall short." He doesn't mean every person on earth. He means, not only Jews by the law, but including gentiles who by conscience have sinned.
Well beloved in Christ, you haven't answered the question. Does the sinless babies to whom belong to the Kingdom of Christ need His Blood to be covered and cleansed? Just a simple yes or no
 

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Yes JESUS died on the cross paying penalty for our sin satisfying the demand of the law for GOD Is a righteous GOD but sin Is not Imputed where there Is no law.
Brother, Jesus did not pay the penalty for our sin "satisfying the demand of the law." I know you believe this, but go back and read what "the demand of the law" is.

Jesus came preaching repentance. He came teaching that God forgives the repentant, people who turn to God for forgiveness. And for this Jesus was condemned by mankind. He "paid for this" with his life.

The demand of the law is the life of the lawbreaker, not the innocent. Even when the spotless lambs were sacrificed, they weren't being killed in place of the sinner, but so the sinner would repent. And this symbolizes the sacrifice of our Savior.

Crucifying Jesus is the worst sin that was ever committed on this earth.
 

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Well beloved in Christ, you haven't answered the question. Does the sinless babies to whom belong to the Kingdom of Christ need His Blood to be covered and cleansed? Just a simple yes or no
No to red body fluid. Yes to complete devotion to God.
 
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Brother, Jesus did not pay the penalty for our sin "satisfying the demand of the law." I know you believe this, but go back and read what "the demand of the law" is.

Jesus came preaching repentance. He came teaching that God forgives the repentant, people who turn to God for forgiveness. And for this Jesus was condemned by mankind. He "paid for this" with his life.

The demand of the law is the life of the lawbreaker, not the innocent. Even when the spotless lambs were sacrificed, they weren't being killed in place of the sinner, but so the sinner would repent. And this symbolizes the sacrifice of our Savior.

Crucifying Jesus is the worst sin that was ever committed on this earth.
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 (1) But he was wounded for our transgressions, (2) he was bruised for our iniquities: (3) the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
 
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Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 (1) But he was wounded for our transgressions, (2) he was bruised for our iniquities: (3) the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all,
Brother, Jesus did not pay the penalty for our sin "satisfying the demand of the law." I know you believe this, but go back and read what "the demand of the law" is.

Jesus came preaching repentance. He came teaching that God forgives the repentant, people who turn to God for forgiveness. And for this Jesus was condemned by mankind. He "paid for this" with his life.

The demand of the law is the life of the lawbreaker, not the innocent. Even when the spotless lambs were sacrificed, they weren't being killed in place of the sinner, but so the sinner would repent. And this symbolizes the sacrifice of our Savior.

Crucifying Jesus is the worst sin that was ever committed on this earth.
 
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Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 (1) But he was wounded for our transgressions, (2) he was bruised for our iniquities: (3) the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit
 
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Brother, Jesus did not pay the penalty for our sin "satisfying the demand of the law." I know you believe this, but go back and read what "the demand of the law" is.

Jesus came preaching repentance. He came teaching that God forgives the repentant, people who turn to God for forgiveness. And for this Jesus was condemned by mankind. He "paid for this" with his life.

The demand of the law is the life of the lawbreaker, not the innocent. Even when the spotless lambs were sacrificed, they weren't being killed in place of the sinner, but so the sinner would repent. And this symbolizes the sacrifice of our Savior.

Crucifying Jesus is the worst sin that was ever committed on this earth.
JESUS did not pay the penalty for sin?
How was It dealt with brother?
By the way what Is the penalty for breaking GODs law?
 

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Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Yes, Jesus was despised and rejected of men, not his Father.

He came unto his own, and his own received him not. Jn.1:11

Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Yes, the the rulers condemned him for blasphemy, so the people thought he was receiving just punishment. He wasn't.

Isa 53:5 (1) But he was wounded for our transgressions, (2) he was bruised for our iniquities: (3) the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Yes, as I showed and you ignored, Jesus came preaching repentance because of our transgressions, for our iniquities, but instead of repenting, they wounded and bruised him.

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Yes, and if the injuries from the way he was beaten and the nail marks as he hung on the cross aren't sin, the epitome of man's hatered of God, then nothing is.

God punishing himself instead of sinners? No.
 

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JESUS did not pay the penalty for sin?
No. The penalty for sin according to the law is the life of the sinner, no one else.

How was It dealt with brother?
According to grace,this way,

Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. Isa.55:7

By the way what Is the penalty for breaking GODs law?
The rear end of the one breaking Gods law.

every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Deu.24:16

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Eze.18:20

except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Lk.13:3
 

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And brothers, you can "amen" each other all you like, but consider this. The life is in the blood. Jesus shedding his blood is equal to his life completely devoted to his Father.

Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. Heb.12:4

In other words, not totally sold out for God.

And so we are saved by the blood, the life of Christ...the life of God.