Jesus returns to judge and rule, not destroy

[ATG]

From the scale of 1 to 10, how would you describe your self denial?

That's a professional/religous view, that's invalid with the victorious Lord God. He only accepts whole-hearted unconditional surrender from His Son's enemies, that slew Him on a cross.

Act 2:22
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Acts 2:37
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?...Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Jesus didn't give Himself partially to the cross, and He doesn't accept partial surrender to His will.

Gal 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

There are no I am almost crucified brethren and servants with Jesus Christ.

Jer 3:8
And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also…And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.

Hosea{7:8}
Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned.

Rev 3:15
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

The pure religion of Jesus Christ is not a better homes and garden variety, where the new life is indeed better than the old, but not separated as the living from the dead:

Luke{15:24}
For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

2Co 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ,

However, denying our own will for Christ, doesn't mean we cease to live with mortal bodies and natural needs. Practices of extreme body denial is not the holy sanctification Jesus calls us to. He only calls us out of our former sins of disobedience.

Other kinds of self-imposed practices against the natural body are fruitless to the Spirit, and also cause self-willed pride.

Col 2:21
Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

 

[ATG]

That does not say they will reign for the 1000 years on earth.... read it .... AND,
AND we shall reign on the earth.

Fair enough. But, if they are speaking of reigning with the Lamb forever on the new earth, then it is still on earth.

Your prophecy of saints reigning with the Lord in heaven, is false. There is no Scripture of them ever reigning in heaven.

The saints only reign over nations with rods of iron with the Lord in Mt Zion, and then on the new earth with the Lamb forever.

I will not make it say something it isn't...

You're certainly making it say something in heaven, that it never says is in heaven. But only on earth.

Until you quote a Scripture with the Lord's resurrected saints reigning with Him in heaven, then the prophecy is your own.

It will be impossible for any person to repent during the 1,000 years because there will not be a person alive on the earth.

Except as quoted from Scripture, those nations flowing up to Zion where the Lord rules them, and worship Him.

At this point, you are only repeating yourself, and ignoring quoted Scripture, that contradicts your prophecy.
1. The LORD shall inherit the nations and govern them in righteousness. Not destroy them all.
2. He comes to make war and rule them with rod of iron. Not to destroy them all.
3. His resurrected saints rule with rods of iron over their rewarded cities on earth.

All the wicked will be laying dead upon the earth.

So, the Lord makes war and rules them dead bones? Does He use His rod of iron to break the bones to pieces for a thousand years?

Mark{12:27}
He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Also, Isaiah 24:22 speaks of Satan and his angels during the 1,000 years as gathered in the pit and shut up in the prison.

Isa 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

True. And finishing the prophecy:

Isa 24:22
And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited. Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

Mt Zion is on earth. And only this earth. There is no Mt Zion on the new earth.

But when you read the other bible verses in Revelation it is clear that the holy city does not come down until the end of the 1000 years.

Which is clearly after the redeemed saints reigning with Him on earth the 1000 years.

And Jesus said He is preparing mansions in heaven.

Which He does, and the resurrected saints will dwell with God in them forever in New Jerusalem. No more reigning for a thousand years with Him from Mt Zion on this earth.

So the battered, dark earth with no people alive will be called the bottomless pit, or abyss, during the 1,000 years, just as it was in the beginning before Creation was completed.

And so, there will be the earth-pit without any light nor day divided from darkness. Now scattered with dead bones of men and women and children.

1. Who then is ruling them dead bones on the dark earth-pit of scattered bones? The king of the bottomless pit? Certainly not the living Lord Jesus Christ.

2. Who are the Lord and His resurrected saints ruling in heaven? The angels of God? Certainly not the devil and his rebel angels chained on the dark earth-pit from hell.

 

[ATG]

An angel … having … a great chain in his hand … laid hold of … Satan, and bound him for a thousand years … and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished (Revelation 20:1–3).
The chain is symbolic. A chain of circumstances.

And so now we have the Symbol-man's Bible. Plain and sure prophecy of Scripture must be changed into unsure symbolic reasonings of men.

2Pe 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

These chains therefore must also be symbolic. And hell is only parable. And the lake of fire is only a scarry fable.

A super-natural being cannot be confined with a literal chain.

What book of the supernatural, or paranormal did you get this from? Even Ghost Busters could chain evil ghosts and lock them up.

The angels that rebelled with Lucifer are now in chains of hell, awaiting judgment. And the devil himself will be chained with them at the Lord's return for a thousand years, and then he and all his angels that sinned, shall be cast into the lake of fire.

Unless of course, your supernatural authorities also say super-natural beings cannot be cast literally anywhere.

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The Lord confines the devil to this earth so he cannot roam the universe hoping to find someone to deceive.

So. he's not chained nor tied down, but only confined to the earth-pit full of dead bones. Why isn't his 'confinement' only symbolic?

So, the devil must be the one ruling them dead bones on the dark earth-pit from hell.

And what book of the supernatural speaks of created beings 'roaming' the universe at will? Do you mean as spiritual star-travelers? Certainly not as self-willed roamers in heaven, where the LORD's throne is.

Sci-fi.

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Forcing the devil to stay on the earth, alone with his demons for a thousand years with no one to deceive, will be for him the most galling chain ever forged.

Another book of super-natural principle.

The Bible doesn't even say Satan resents his chained rest from roaming about the earth deceiving people. Much less from roaming about the universe...

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At the end of the 1000 years Satan is loosed for a short time because the wicked are raised for the second death, But this is when Jesus will make all things new and death is fully destroyed..

So, the nations gathered by him on the earth-pit, will be the resurrected wicked dead? Zombie Apocalypse

Who then are the saints in their camp? Were they on the earth-pit for a thousand years? Or, did they only hastily make camp on the dark and dead earth-pit, in order to draw by light the resurrected zombie legions of Satan into one place?

Sci-Fi indeed. Could actually make a sort of 'End of Zombie World' movie.

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Joh 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

Correct. Only after He comes again, and resurrects them to rule them on earth for a thousand years. Only afterward shall they follow the Lord Jesus into heaven, to judge at His GWT.

Unless of course at least some of the saints remain behind in camp, to lure all of the devil's resurrected zombie brigades to one spot...

This is getting fun, but you've made a departure from any semblance of Scriptural quotes and study. You're simply weaving your own imagination into a book on the supernatural, and sci-fi zombie wars.

2Pe 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

 

[ATG]

I disagree

No problem. I only say so, because I've never seen any Scripture from the Bible, that says so.

Just quote one, and I'll be gladly corrected.

Don't create a whole doctrine on a single verse.

Certainly is better than on no verse at all.

 

[TMS]

And so now we have the Symbol-man's Bible. Plain and sure prophecy of Scripture must be changed into unsure symbolic reasonings of men.

2Pe 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

These chains therefore must also be symbolic. And hell is only parable. And the lake of fire is only a scarry fable.



What book of the supernatural, or paranormal did you get this from? Even Ghost Busters could chain evil ghosts and lock them up.

The angels that rebelled with Lucifer are now in chains of hell, awaiting judgment. And the devil himself will be chained with them at the Lord's return for a thousand years, and then he and all his angels that sinned, shall be cast into the lake of fire.

Unless of course, your supernatural authorities also say super-natural beings cannot be cast literally anywhere.


So. he's not chained nor tied down, but only confined to the earth-pit full of dead bones. Why isn't his 'confinement' only symbolic?

So, the devil must be the one ruling them dead bones on the dark earth-pit from hell.

And what book of the supernatural speaks of created beings 'roaming' the universe at will? Do you mean as spiritual star-travelers? Certainly not as self-willed roamers in heaven, where the LORD's throne is.

Sci-fi.


Another book of super-natural principle.

The Bible doesn't even say Satan resents his chained rest from roaming about the earth deceiving people. Much less from roaming about the universe...



So, the nations gathered by him on the earth-pit, will be the resurrected wicked dead? Zombie Apocalypse

Who then are the saints in their camp? Were they on the earth-pit for a thousand years? Or, did they only hastily make camp on the dark and dead earth-pit, in order to draw by light the resurrected zombie legions of Satan into one place?

Sci-Fi indeed. Could actually make a sort of 'End of Zombie World' movie.



Correct. Only after He comes again, and resurrects them to rule them on earth for a thousand years. Only afterward shall they follow the Lord Jesus into heaven, to judge at His GWT.

Unless of course at least some of the saints remain behind in camp, to lure all of the devil's resurrected zombie brigades to one spot...

This is getting fun, but you've made a departure from any semblance of Scriptural quotes and study. You're simply weaving your own imagination into a book on the supernatural, and sci-fi zombie wars.

2Pe 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

If you want to reject the things I have shared with you, fine. We will soon see.

You are falling into the same trap that Israel did
They were looking for a worldly, Earthly Kingdom
And Jesus said... "the kingdom of heaven"


Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 18:3-4 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of hheaven. .4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

You seem to be setting your focus and treasures on this Earth. The Earth is comming to nothing and everything will be destroyed. The only safe place is the heaven kingdom. The Israel nation looked for an earthly kingdom and they came to nothing and it is sad that so many are doing the same today.
Jesus will only rule this Earth when it is completly cleansed of all sin and recreated new. Which will happen at the end of the 1000 years.

Rev 20:5-6
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Notice the second death is at the end of the 1000 years.

Rev 20:14-15 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The holy Heavenly city comes down and rests on the Earth... all evil is destroyed and things are made new. No mention of a Earthly city or Earth structures.. everything on Earth has passed away.

Rev 21:1-5
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[TMS]

Futurism is the evil doctrine you need to understand.
It's origins and purposes
With it comes multiple false doctrines
Dispensationalism, literal Israel, future antichrist, secret rapture, etc....

But if the origin is the Devil would you follow these evil doctrines?

 

[TMS]

FUTURISM look it up but make sure "Jesuit" is part of the search. Be careful because sites may paint in many shades of Grey.


The term "futurism" in a Christian context has origins linked to the late 16th-century Jesuit priest Francisco Ribera. He is considered the founder of the "futurist" school of prophetic interpretation, which proposes that prophecies in the Bible, particularly in the book of Revelation, refer to future events rather than historical ones. This was a direct response to the dominant historicist view of the time, which applied many of these prophecies to the Roman Catholic Church, and was intended to deflect Protestant criticism.

Ribera's role in the origins of Christian futurism

• Development of the "futurist scheme": Ribera wrote a commentary on Revelation around 1590 where he argued that the prophecies, at least from chapter 4 onwards, were yet to be fulfilled.
• Rejection of historicism: His work was a direct counter to the "historicism" interpretation, which saw the Antichrist as a historical figure or institution in the past, specifically the Papacy.
• A future Antichrist: Ribera proposed that the prophecies applied to a single, future Antichrist who would arise at the end of time.
• Catholic adoption: This viewpoint was quickly adopted by the Catholic Church and later popularized by other scholars like Cardinal Robert Bellarmine.

Impact and spread of futurism

• Deflecting criticism: The Jesuit futurist interpretation served the purpose of shielding the Papacy from the charge that it was the Antichrist, a view held by most Protestant reformers.
• Influence on Protestantism: The idea eventually made its way into Protestantism, significantly influencing modern prophetic theology. Scholars like John Nelson Darby helped popularize it, and it was incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, which became highly influential in American Protestantism in the 20th century.

It has greatly changed the way people look at prophecy and it is an invention by a Jesuit for the purpose of taking the heat of the Catholic church..

 

[TMS]

Exactly! That's how the devil operates.

He uses some truth to make things sound good on the surface, but he tucks the poison inside of what most people says sounds fine to them. A glass of water can be 99% pure water and good to drink but it's that 1% poison that will kill

Most folks are not skillful in the word of righteousness (Hebrews 5:13) due to not taking the time to study God's Word ongoing which is needed to know the Lord, to grow spiritually so they can walk in agreement with Him as He has called His people to do.

Sadly some claim obedience is works based salvation and trying to earn one's salvation and so they advocate for disobedience which is how we know they are being taught by devils because satan always stands in opposition to the Lord seeking to get men to oppose the Lord as well as we saw in the garden of eden with Adam and Eve

The problem is that the devil is a good bible student too. He used Bible verses to try and tempt Jesus, but Jesus was able to see the trap because He knew all the words of truth.

When people want to develop a false doctrine they can find a verse to twist or use out of context. This is why we need to read all that the Bible says about each subject. We need be careful that we don't pick and choose only the verses that we like.

All scripture is given not just the bits that we are willing to accept

2Ti 3:15-17 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[HigherGospel]

The problem is that the devil is a good bible student too.

Only in the sense that he specializes in twisting God's Word in his efforts to deceive people in to being in opposition to the Lord as he is.

This is what he did in the garden with Adam and Eve and it's been how he operates all along

 

[greenonions]

I know that there are seemingly two equal sides to this debate. We do know the Lord will destroy the earth, before He judges from His throne; however, there are prophecies that must be fulfilled beforehand, that are not yet fulfilled today:

The Lord must inherit, judge, and rule over all the earth Himself. (Psalms 2:8, 22:27, 67:4, 82:8, 98:9) (Joel 3:16-18) (Is 2:2) (Zech 8:33) (Jerem 31:12)(1 Chron 16:30-33) (Ezek 4-48)

The resurrected saints must judge and rule the earth with Him for a thousand years. (Rev 2, 22)

The Lord must fight His enemies from around the world at Armageddon. (Is 61:3) (Rev 16, 19)

The Lord must give the land promised to Abraham personally, and his natural seed. (Gen 13:14)

These things are prophesied, that have not yet been fulfilled, and cannot be fulfilled if the earth is destroyed, when the Lord comes again.

2 points:
1. The prophecy in Matthew 24 of the Lord's return to the earth, is at the end of this age, often translated world. 2 peter's prophecy of the Lord destroying the world with fire, is the cosmos of heaven and earth; Which then flees from the face of the Lord upon His GWT. The Lord's 2nd coming is at the end of this age. The Lord destroys this heaven and earth at the end of the world.

2. These prophecies cannot be fulfilled on the new earth with the new heaven, since it's eternal.

There will be destruction at Jesus' second coming. I don't think the destruction is total. God promised Abraham the land forever. That land must last forever, even after the 1000 years. The new earth will be after the destruction phase, but will have continuity with the first earth. It will be a renewed earth.

 

[HigherGospel]

There will be destruction at Jesus' second coming. I don't think the destruction is total. God promised Abraham the land forever. That land must last forever, even after the 1000 years. The new earth will be after the destruction phase, but will have continuity with the first earth. It will be a renewed earth.

Exactly!

 

[ATG]

Deception.

They all claim calvinism IS the gospel.

This is actually an accurate sign for a false gospel.

Honest gospel preachers don't make claims about their gospel as be the 'right' one. An honest gospel preacher is simply someone that preaches from the Bible and let's every believer decide.

Humble preachers share 2 all-important traits: They do NOT forbid nor hinder nor attempt to discourage believers from reading the Bible for themselves, to see if what they preach is true or not.

Act 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

They themselves can be corrected by others from the Bible.

2 Tim 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Prov 9:8
Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

Peter wasn't above being corrected by Paul.

 

[ATG]

If you want to reject the things I have shared with you, fine.

The Scriptures I've given you reject your things. I can understand sci-fi and zombieland imaginations, and can enjoy them to an extent. But they don't have anything to do with Bible prophecy of Scripture.

You are falling into the same trap that Israel did

You're falling into the same trap of anyone, that chooses to reject the Scriptures given, and instead choose your own personal stuff.

They were looking for a worldly, Earthly Kingdom

Those Jews, as well as Christians today, are rightly looking for the LORD to fulfill His prophecy of coming to inherit and govern all nations of the earth.

The error of the Jews, that reject Jesus as Messiah, is refusing to first be cleansed of their own sin, before being rewarded to rule with the LORD over the nations.

And Jesus said... "the kingdom of heaven"

The kingdom of heaven is the Spirit's purity and true holiness of life.

The kingdom of heaven is already come to earth by the Spirit of Christ. The kingdom of heaven shall also come to rule over the earth by the resurrected Lord Jesus.

Luk 11:2
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

 

[ATG]

You seem to be setting your focus and treasures on this Earth.

You seem to be setting your focus and treasure on Jesus coming to destroy all people of the earth, that are not believers like you.

It's the same error and spirit of the Jews, that reject Him coming to save them, that will be saved:

Luk 9:54
And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

The Earth is comming to nothing and everything will be destroyed.

Correct. After His thousand year reign expires.

2nd time to quote:
Psa 96:13
Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

Joe 3:16
The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

Isa 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Joe 3:18
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.

Zec 8:23
Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

During the Lord's rule over them on earth, more souls will come to the Lord to worship Him, than all the thousands of years going before.

Your focus and treasure is set only on destruction, with a dark earth strewn with dead bones for a thousand years. Not on the greatest saving of souls by the Lord Himself on earth.

Jesus will only rule this Earth when it is completly cleansed of all sin and recreated new.

This earth will pass away, and be changed as an old garment cast away for a new heaven and earth:

Rev 20:11
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Heb 1:10
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

Rev 20:5-6
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Notice the second death is at the end of the 1000 years.

Psa 2:8
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:

Rev 2:26
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Rev 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war…And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Notice how the Lord and His saints rule them nations on earth for the thousand years.

Rev 20:14-15 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Notice how all the rest of the dead are judged by their works, but only those not found written in the Book of Life are cast into the lake of fire.

The nations will by smitten by the Lord, and He will rule over them that remain on earth. The rest of the dead will be judged by the Lord, and He will dwell with them which are found in the book of life:

Rev{21:27}
And there shall in no wise enter into the city any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

There are they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life entering the holy city. Therefore, there are them at the GWT judgment found written in the Lamb's book of life...

Rev 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

There will be them ruled by the Lord with rod of iron on earth, therefore, there are them at His return, found alive on earth to rule.

A prophecy of the Lord returning to destroy all people on earth, and then the lord casting all people into the lake of fire at the GWT, is a false prophecy of them that seek only destruction of other people, not salvation of other lives and souls...

There is no Scripture saying all them of the nations shall be smitten at the Lord's return, nor that all them of the rest of the dead shall be cast into the lake of fire.

So, by your own prophecy, will you be one of all them people on earth destroyed at the Lord's return? And one of all them rest of the dead cast into the lake of fire?

The holy Heavenly city comes down and rests on the Earth...

Rev 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away;

The holy Heavenly city comes down and rests on the new Earth. This earth has passed away. The new earth is created, not dry-cleaned...

Isa 65:17
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

God's creation of this heaven and earth, is the same creation of the new heaven and earth: From nothing going before. Not from something redone from before.

 

[ATG]

There will be destruction at Jesus' second coming. I don't think the destruction is total. God promised Abraham the land forever.

Hello star witness. I love to see believers actually use Bible facts, in order to prove Bible prophecy.

Gen 13:14
And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

God promised to give that land, that Abraham saw, to Abraham himself. Not just his natural seed.

Heb 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went…These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

The fact that God promised to personally give to Abraham that land, and Abraham died before receiving it from the Lord, means that God must still do so. And, He must raise Abraham from the dead to do it.

The time to do so will be when the Lord God Himself comes to earth and resurrects all His saints, including Abraham. The Lord Jesus cannot do so after His millennial reign expires, because that is when this heaven and earth is consumed with fire.

Thanks much for this fact of Abraham, that confirms there will indeed be them remaining alive to rule, from among the nations smitten at His return.

Rev 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

 

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God promised Abraham the land forever. That land must last forever, even after the 1000 years.

Though the promise of land to Abraham was indeed for an everlasting possession, the problem with that land lasting forever is, that this earth will not last forever.

Isa 65:17
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

2Pe 3:12
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

God had already chosen to create a new heaven and earth, before He comes to give the land promised to Abraham. He will keep the promise, but not as an everlasting possession.

Gen 17:7
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

The promise of that land being an everlasting possession, was the same for that covenant established. And yet, that covenant has died away, and is replaced by the new Covenant of Christ. Therefore, what God promises forever in covenant with people, depends on people forever keeping that covenant.

Jer 11:10
They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.

Zec 11:10
And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.

When Christ, which made the covenant with Abraham and his seed, was crucified on the cross, then was that covenant broken by God with the children of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel.

Jer 32:39
And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:
And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

Heb 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

The old everlasting covenant was done away by the promise being made to a rebellious people, that utterly cast it off. But the new covenant is indeed everlasting, because it's now a promise established upon Jesus Christ Himself.

The new earth will be after the destruction phase, but will have continuity with the first earth. It will be a renewed earth.

Gen 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Isa 65:17
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

The promised new heaven and earth is created, not renewed from before; The same as this heaven and earth is created, not renewed from before.

Rev 20:11
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Rev 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away;

This heaven and earth will be dissolved with fire, flee from the face of God on the throne, and pass away forever.

The new promise for all them written in the Lamb's book of life, whether Jew or Gentile, is to dwell with God forever in His holy city New Jerusalem. Not to possess a land on an earth, that has burned up and passed away.