Justice (Ruth B. Ginsburg) Replacement Nominee Expected Next Week, Mitch Mcconnell Promises Senate Vote

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Truth7t7

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Spend the last four years with each party in all out war with each other then when yet another scotus vacancy opens up pretend like it's time to play fair now.

If it is within their power to appoint another scotus justice because there is a vacancy then it is my opinion that they should just exercise that right.

This idea that politics suddenly becomes polite, civil, and fair just because it is an election year is pure fantasy. Pretending they hold some sort of moral high ground because Obama did it in his last term and they're owed any sort of deference is bizarre.

Meanwhile, the smear campaigns and dysfunction continues.

Let's just go for the win when we can.
We Agree!

And The Republican's Are Going To Do Just That! (y)
 

Truth7t7

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Just like Billyd said...should a judge rule in accordance with the Constitution, or in accordance with his or her political viewpoints?
If Justices Ruled To The (Original) intent of the Fore Fathers, we wouldn't have (Abortion) or (Same Sex Marriage), neither found to be protected in the US Constitution.

We need Justices that will interpret the US Constitution as intended by the Fore Father's who wrote it, (Textualist) (Originalist) not Justices that view it as a living, changing, document.
 
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Here are links to upcoming Supreme Court hearings:




So the litigants are supposed to subject themselves to a 4-4 outcome???

If Ginsburg had been a litigant with a hearing coming up before the next President was sworn in and a vacancy on the Court filled, would she have been of the same opinion that the appointment should be put off ???

What is the duty of the Supreme Court to the litigants who present arguments ... is it not to provide full consideration of the positions of each side in a matter ???

Is it fair to the litigants to have a tie vote ??? and have the decision of the lower Court (which is on appeal) stand ???

... just some things to think about (other than which politician said what / when) ...


 

Truth7t7

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Here are links to upcoming Supreme Court hearings:




So the litigants are supposed to subject themselves to a 4-4 outcome???

If Ginsburg had been a litigant with a hearing coming up before the next President was sworn in and a vacancy on the Court filled, would she have been of the same opinion that the appointment should be put off ???

What is the duty of the Supreme Court to the litigants who present arguments ... is it not to provide full consideration of the positions of each side in a matter ???

Is it fair to the litigants to have a tie vote ??? and have the decision of the lower Court (which is on appeal) stand ???

... just some things to think about (other than which politician said what / when) ...
Good thing coming (Obamacare) is on the upcoming docket for the Supreme Court, and the lower appellate court has already ruled against it, a future 4x4 tie is a win standing on the appellate decision, a conservative appointment is a win.

It's a no win situation for the liberals, the Obama's socialist agenda and legacy is in the trash, right wear it belongs!

Trump/Pence 2020
 

soggykitten

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We don't nee another right wing conservative justice. We don't need another left wing liberal justice. We need nine justices who will look at the cases in front of them, and make a decision based on the Constitution, not whim or will of political extremes of the people.
True. However, it is without exception that the party affiliation of a candidate for SCOTUS is an issue.
Justices must be impartial. However, as we saw during the last eight years before Trump, that was taken as a mere suggestion.

In the matter of replacing Ginsburg, what with Biden/Harris on the Democratic ticket, I think a replacement prior to the election is vital and that the candidate confirmed be Republican. This is why. Both Biden and Harris are in favor of later term and post birth abortion. And Harris is strongly anti-Christian, regardless of her supposedly invoking 2nd Corinthians at her nomination for VP, and supposedly being sworn into Congress on a Bible. Her words while in Congress speak for themselves.
And Harris is very much anti-gun! And supports as free speech the riots and looting that are occurring still in some areas. Particularly Seattle and Oregon. As was Biden until his team told him that wasn't a smart move. Now he claims all that is not an example of protest or free speech.

Biden is mentally unfit for the highest office. And KH may be unable to be Constitutionally ineligible. There are arguments that are pro and con in that regard.
 

soggykitten

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Here are links to upcoming Supreme Court hearings:




So the litigants are supposed to subject themselves to a 4-4 outcome???

If Ginsburg had been a litigant with a hearing coming up before the next President was sworn in and a vacancy on the Court filled, would she have been of the same opinion that the appointment should be put off ???

What is the duty of the Supreme Court to the litigants who present arguments ... is it not to provide full consideration of the positions of each side in a matter ???

Is it fair to the litigants to have a tie vote ??? and have the decision of the lower Court (which is on appeal) stand ???

... just some things to think about (other than which politician said what / when) ...
Litigants were subject to an 8 panel SCOTUS when Ginsburg wasn't sitting the bench due to her cancer.
In that case if there is a 4-4 tie in a case before the members, the lower courts ruling stands but that decision in the lower court does not set a precedent. A precedent would is set if it was a 9 member panel deciding.

Also, an 8 member panel isn't unusual as regards SCOTUS.
 

Billyd

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What are we going to do if Biden is elected and both houses become Democrat? Pelosi and Shumer are on the record saying that if the Republicans seat a conservative justice this year, they will add at least 3 new justices and fill them. Remember, the new congress will be seated on Jan 3.

Stop the nonsense, vote.
 

soggykitten

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Law 360 Will The Senate Replace Ginsburg Before Election Day?
By Andrew Kragie
(September 20, 2020,
Senators return Monday to a chamber consumed with President Donald Trump's vow to quickly select a replacement for the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and cement a conservative majority for years to come.

The liberal icon's death 46 days before Election Day immediately triggered a partisan battle over who gets to name her successor and when. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., promised Friday that "President Trump's nominee will receive a vote."


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, wants to move ahead with a nominee but must limit GOP defections. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin)




Democrats charged the majority leader with hypocrisy, pointing to his refusal to consider President Barack Obama's nominee following the death of Justice Antonin Scalia in February 2016.

However, the Senate minority can do little to stop an appointment, since the chamber no longer requires a supermajority of senators to confirm judicial nominees. With a GOP vice president available to break a tie, McConnell needs only 50 out of 53 Senate Republicans.

Trump's selection is expected within days.

"I would be surprised if we didn't see a nominee this week," said Mark Champoux, who until July supervised the U.S. Department of Justice's work on Trump's judicial nominations.

As soon as a selection is announced, the chamber is likely to begin considering the nominee — unlike in 2016, when D.C. Circuit Judge Merrick Garland did not receive a hearing after his nomination.

"Senate Republicans are comfortable moving forward with a hearing before the election," said Mike Davis, a former GOP Judiciary Committee staffer. "The issue is going to be whether the vote is before the election."

GOP leaders would seek a final confirmation vote before Nov. 3 if they can get the votes, Davis predicted.

Meanwhile, advocates told Law360 on Sunday that liberals are looking for GOP defectors who want to wait until after the election — at least for a final vote, if not for confirmation hearings.

"No Senate Republican should get a free pass," said Daniel Goldberg, a former Democratic Senate staffer and Obama administration veteran who is now legal director at the Alliance for Justice. "All it takes are four of them to say, 'This is the wrong thing to do, let's allow the president who is elected in November to fill the seat.'"

All eyes have turned to a handful of Republican senators. A few have bucked the party before. A half-dozen face tight races for re-election and might be wary of alienating swing voters.

Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, the only GOP senator to oppose confirming Justice Brett Kavanaugh in 2018, said Sunday that she "would not support taking up a potential Supreme Court vacancy this close to the election."

Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, who is fighting for a fifth term, has voted against more of Trump's judicial picks than any other Republican. She said Saturday that the appointment "should be made by the president who is elected on November 3rd," but her statement did not make any firm commitments.

The only Republican who voted to remove Trump from office after his impeachment trial, Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, has yet to take a position. Liberals see him as a swing vote.

However, most vulnerable Republicans on the ballot this year quickly lined up behind McConnell, including Sens. Martha McSally of Arizona and Thom Tillis of North Carolina.

Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Colo., who is also up for reelection, avoided taking a stand at a campaign event Saturday, saying it was still time to mourn the late justice. A similar statement came from the lone Democratic vote in question, Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, who was the only Democrat to vote for Justice Kavanaugh.


Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said he would support moving before the election, despite past statements opposing election-year confirmations.

"I want you to use my words against me," Graham told Democratic senators in March 2016 when he opposed a hearing for Judge Garland.

On Saturday, Graham tweeted that his views changed after Minority Leader "Chuck Schumer and his friends in the liberal media conspired to destroy the life of Brett Kavanaugh and hold that Supreme Court seat open" until after the 2018 midterm elections.

Republicans say the difference between now and 2016 is that the same party controls the Senate and the White House, giving them a popular mandate to proceed.

Still, it remains unclear when the full Senate might vote on confirmation. McConnell is "limited by what he has the votes for," noted Champoux, the former DOJ official.

Although Trump updated his Supreme Court short list earlier this month, Champoux said the White House counsel and the president himself will still interview one or more candidates and make a final choice.

Champoux, now a partner at Davis Graham & Stubbs LLP, pointed to one custom Democrats could try to use to slow the process.

Judiciary Committee members typically negotiate a personalized written questionnaire for high court nominees. The confirmation hearing typically does not come until 28 days after the nominee submits answers to the extensive questionnaire.

Of course, a Senate majority can change rules or customs. And the prospect of legal challenges to the presidential election result gives Republicans an argument for moving at full speed.

Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, a Republican on the Judiciary Committee, argued for confirming a justice before Election Day to avoid "a constitutional crisis" if an election dispute ends in a tied 4-4 vote at the high court.

The 2020 election seems more likely than most to end up before the Supreme Court, as the pandemic prompts rule changes and slows vote counting. The court, with a ninth justice or not, may once again have to referee a contested election.

--Editing by Kat Laskowski.
 

soggykitten

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What are we going to do if Biden is elected and both houses become Democrat? Pelosi and Shumer are on the record saying that if the Republicans seat a conservative justice this year, they will add at least 3 new justices and fill them. Remember, the new congress will be seated on Jan 3.

Stop the nonsense, vote.
What are we going to do if Biden is elected and both houses become Democrat?

I've got coupons for Iceland Air! ;) :p :ROFL:
Remember all those celebrities that said they'd leave the country if Trump was elected in 2016? They're still here!
 

Billyd

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What are we going to do if Biden is elected and both houses become Democrat?

I've got coupons for Iceland Air! ;):p:ROFL:
Remember all those celebrities that said they'd leave the country if Trump was elected in 2016? They're still here!
I like it here. I will probably build my own fence.
 
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RBG wasn't elected to office. Once the seat comes open it needs to be filled, she knew that. I highly doubt she actually said that but even if she did, so what? She knew the seat would be filled. We have an election coming up that will be contested, we need the court to make some heavy decisions and it needs to be filled. If there is a woman who is capable of doing the job then RBG being a feminist, should have been supportive of another female justice, no matter the party. I thought that was what feminism was all about.