Left behind series: discussion about what an affair is

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Tearose84

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My husband is reading Left behind. those of you have read it know the pilot was playing around with the stewardess. he was lusting after her, wanted to have sex with her, they met secretly (behind his wife's back) for drinks and openly flirted. They were oh so close to finishing it off with sex but then the rapture happened.
My husband says they did not have an affair because they didn't have sex. Hmph. I kinda think everything they did constitutes an affair.....
 
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Anonimous

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I think what they were doing or going to do would constitute an affair. People like to give kinder, gentler names to sin these day. Affair might sound like a nicer word than Adultery. He was cheating on his wife.
 
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StephenH

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Since by simply looking at someone with lust is committing adultery.. Yes, in fact it was adultery and having an affair.

Matthew 5:8 (But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.)
 
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Ugly

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Ask your husband how he'd feel if you snuck around behind his back, on a regular basis, to spend time alone and be flirty with another, attractive male that you desired to sleep with. I'm sure his attitude wouldn't be so open about the idea.
 
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Tearose84

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That's what I was thinking! HA!
 
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Songbird_7

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Yep. I agree. God is very interested in what's going on in our hearts and places much more emphasis on that than society. Most people think that as long as you aren't doing it, then it doesn't hurt. But every affair starts out as a thought, innocent as it may be in the beginning. If that was my husband doing that I would be so hurt, almost as much as if he had slept with her.
 
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Anonimous

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My husband is reading Left behind. those of you have read it know the pilot was playing around with the stewardess. he was lusting after her, wanted to have sex with her, they met secretly (behind his wife's back) for drinks and openly flirted. They were oh so close to finishing it off with sex but then the rapture happened.
My husband says they did not have an affair because they didn't have sex. Hmph. I kinda think everything they did constitutes an affair.....
The stewardess' name is Hattie. If she were real I'd say do not give up on her. I don't know far along in the series. I enjoyed all but the final book. The second to last is only ok. I didn't read the final...final...book.
 
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Tintin

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Yes, the Left Behind series are a sad affair. They're divorced of good writing and theology.
 

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Yes, the Left Behind series are a sad affair. They're divorced of good writing and theology.
I see what you did there.... :D

I mean, I guess it'd be pretty hard not to. :eek:

It might be a bit extreme, but I think that anything that should be reserved only for the husband or wife (flirting, meeting alone, touching, etc) could be constituted as being unfaithful.
 
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intercessorginger

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They did not commit physical adultery, but it is always unwise to share emotional intimacy with anyone other then your wife. It leads to disloyalty and often adultery itself. Anything of an intimate nature should be reserved for your mate only!
 

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Those books werent that great but they were violent which shocked e in a good way, but it did ake them a bit ore interesting to read. And yeah the very last book was just bad for the most part.
 
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Adloe

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There's no differience between a liar and murderer,soo lusting in the mind =heart,u already commited adultery.
 
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Anonimous

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Those books werent that great but they were violent which shocked e in a good way, but it did ake them a bit ore interesting to read. And yeah the very last book was just bad for the most part.
It'll be a violent tiime. The worst in history. For Christians they sure did do a lot of killing. Defense is one thing buy premeditated is another.
 
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I disagree with Tintin, if you disagree with the theology of the books, ok. I also disagree that it is not written good, I mean I started reading it and could not stop reading. Then, I finished. I used to read more but this one, I am definitely going to get the next book in the series. Besides, God is using this to expand His kingdom. Those books are not a sad affair, imho. Also, this thread was about a discussion of what an affair was and not about just the book left behind itself. Even if you look at a woman and fantasize about her and she is not your wife, that is committing an affair. God bless.
 
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My husband is reading Left behind. those of you have read it know the pilot was playing around with the stewardess. he was lusting after her, wanted to have sex with her, they met secretly (behind his wife's back) for drinks and openly flirted. They were oh so close to finishing it off with sex but then the rapture happened.
My husband says they did not have an affair because they didn't have sex. Hmph. I kinda think everything they did constitutes an affair.....
I would have your husband throw that propaganda in the trash, quit worrying about the adult situations in this fairy tale book, repent, and get right with God!

Thief in the Night!

For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 1Thess5:2

Today a Defiled Church waits anxiously for the Return of the Lord, to Rapture them out of their tribulations and usher in the Anti-Christ. They all hope to Escape the Wrath of God because they believe in Jesus and MANY are Cashing in on their delusion. Since the turn of the Twentieth Century teachers and preachers have been making predictions and writing books about the Return of Christ. ALL of it is based on the fallacy that came directly out of the early 1800’s, which introduced this false teaching into the Main stream systems.

In Ancient times the early Christians viewed the Return of the Lord as the Final Trumpet and Judgment of mankind. Although some second Century Saints adopted the Jewish view that a temporary Messianic Kingdom would reign on earth, according to Rev20. Among these were Justin Martyr, Irenaeus and Tertullian. They divided the Resurrection of the Just and un-just by this Thousand year reign of Christ in the New Jerusalem. Their understanding was based on what they understood as un-fulfilled prophecies of Isaiah concerning Abraham’s inheritance of the land. Since Father Abraham had yet to inherit any land, they believed God would finalize this prophecy and bring it about. Thus John’s 20th Chapter of Revelation was also literal. Satan would be bound for a thousand years and Christ would rule.

This belief, called: Premillennialism, was widely accepted in early times, but it was NOT written into any Creeds or Doctrinal devotions of the time. Generally all early Saints expected an imminent Return of Christ and then the Judgment of the world. No one espoused a Secret Rapture theory or divided the End times into some kind of Dispensations that included a seven year tribulation period. By the third century however it was Augustine who set the tone for future views of Christ’s Return, to one extent or another. He himself shifted his views during his lifetime to amillennialism, which denies that Christ will have a literal reign on earth and that His authority was spiritual in nature and extended to the present Church until its time was finished and then the Judgment. This held fairly firm until the early Reformation with few exceptions.

In the early 1700’s there was a radical shift to millenarianism, which teaches that by social and religious upheaval a New Kingdom on Earth would be ushered in and a general reform of mankind would take place under Christian leadership. This came about with the decline of the Catholic Church and rise of Protestantism. Some notable teachers however, still held to a literal Millennium and return of Christ to Judge the world and set up His Kingdom on earth. But NO ONE taught a Secret Rapture of Believers until a man named: John Nelson Darby first proposed a Pre-tribulation Rapture theory in 1827. His views caught hold through a series of Bible Conferences in 1878 where his Dispensationalism was introduced. As a result many books were written on the subject including the Scofiled Reference Bible, published in 1909.

The Popularization of the Term RAPTURE came about through Darby’s teaching and was prominent among the Plymouth Brethren. The theories mixed Premillennial teaching with Dispensationalism and was further brought into main stream denominations by William Eugene Blackstone who published a book, ‘Jesus is Coming Soon, in 1908, which sold over a Million copies. Combined with the Scofiled Bible, this teaching became entrenched in the Churches throughout the 20th Century and is widely held to this day.

By 1957 MOST Churches were teaching a Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church followed by a Seven Year period in which the anti-Christ would rise, deceive the world, dispense a Mark of some sort, behead anyone who refused to follow him and finally be Judged at the Return of Christ. In 1957 a Baptist theologian from Dallas Theological Seminary, named John Walvoord, authored a book called: ‘The Rapture Question’ which sold very well and was followed by several more books by others. But the False teaching really caught on in the 1970’s when Hal Lindsey published ‘The late Great Planet Earth’ which out did them all, selling over 15 million copies! Lindsey claimed the Rapture was imminent and Armageddon was just around the corner. At the time the European Community consisted of only Ten nations out of the remnant of old Europe. This fit into his twisted understanding of the Beast with the Ten horns in Revelation. As a result Millions of Professing Christians were dubbed by this man as he made a fortune promoting his books and secretly committing adultery on his wife and family.

Others naturally had to jump on the band wagon since the churches were swallowing these fallacies hook, line and sinker. One promoter who really cashed in was Tim LaHaye in 1995 with his ‘Left Behind’ series which swept the Church World like wild fire. His books were made into movies and shown in churches all over the world. Needless to say, Multitudes of Professing Christians have been Totally Deceived by these books and truly believe they are going to be Raptured out by the Lord very soon. When in Reality this Teaching was INVENTED out of thin air by the SAME people who believe you are Born a Sinner, Pre-forgiven of Sin, Transferred Righteous and Eternally Secure!

CLEARLY the Bible Teaches that when the Lord Does Return it is going to be for a Church without Spot and Blameless, PURIFIED by Obedience to the Truth! (2Pet3:14, 1Pet1:22) His TRUE Saints will NOT be overtaken as a Thief, or Walking in Darkness, (1Thess5:4-5) or sinning everyday in thought, word and deed. (as the churches are being taught) They will be Watching and Waiting Diligently Serving the Lord and Contending earnestly for the Truth in these Dark times. Genuine Believers are NOT Double-Minded, Divided in heart or trying to Serve Two Masters. They have Crucified the flesh with its passion and desires and sin does NOT reign in their mortal bodies.

All this is FAR Removed from Church teaching that focuses on entertainments and vain amusements. The Rapture teaching tickles the ears of people who think God is their sugar daddy showering them with blessings and coming to rescue them from the Great Tribulation. But in reality they are riding the Scarlet Beast as the Great Harlot of Revelation 17, corrupted to the Core and Deceived by an Army of False teachers who have convinced them they can sin and Not Die. They find support for their fallacies in the Bible and insist their theology is sound. Surly 1Thess4:16-17 supports the Rapture of the church! BUT WHY, for centuries, dating back to the earliest Disciples, did NO ONE see this? Does it make sense that no one until Darby in 1827, understood this passage?

And what about the commercialization of this teaching. HOW does that fit into the Preaching of Repentance and Faith Proven by Deeds? IT DOESN’T! Not in anyway whatsoever. Whether living Saints will be translated into Glorified Saints at the Lord’s Return is NOT the central focus of New Testament teaching. Perhaps the early Christians were correct and Revelation 20 is literal, I don’t know. But ONE thing is for certain, the Lord is going to Return some day to Judge the World in Righteousness. He will separate the Sheep from the Goats and burn away the Chaff with unquenchable fire! For the Defiled Churches this will be a Very Dark Day indeed.

Theyzzzzzz will be weeping and gashing their teeth, Crying Lord, Lord and begging for a reprieve. But their own Strong Delusion will be their undoing. They traded the Truth of God for a LIE and Refused to Search out the Scriptures to Verify what their preachers were telling them was Sound. The Shepard’s themselves blindly followed the doctrines of men instead of God so Everyone was dubbed by the spirit of error. Anyone with a brain could have easily searched out the Rapture teaching and uncovered the fallacies, but the COST was too high for them to buck the mainstream. It was Fun watching the Movies, following Sunday School themes with LaHaye’s work books and handing out his material to the people. It kept the congregation happy and content and fostered a great deal of discussion that took the focus off their sinful conduct. They are all looking forward to the Rapture to solve all their problems and give them peace.

Telling them they are going to be Judged According to their DEEDS when the Lord returns (or they die) would ruin all the enjoyment. (Rev22:11-14) They would then have to be Personally Responsible to the Lord for their conduct and Obey the Word! Also it would be necessary for them to maintain Pure hearts and Clear consciences. And Crucify their flesh with its passions and desires. All the games would be over. As the Scriptures have directed all Saints throughout time, it is absolutely essential to Test the Spirits, Examine the Truth, Compare Scripture with Scripture, be Fully equipped with the amour of God, Dig Deep and Discern! Deception is everywhere. It’s FOOLISH to follow a Teacher / Preacher Without first checking them out with the Bible. BUT you MUST KNOW the BIBLE!!!

You Can’t Walk about in a Daze ignorant of these things and expect to be safe and secure. The Religious System that you are a part of is founded on shifting sands! You are Wise in Worldly Matters, TURN your Attention to Spiritual things before you find yourself being Cast into the furnace of affliction. The RAPTURE is a FRAUD, What more Proof do you Need? Darby Invented it!
The DAY of the Lord is NOT Divided into Dispensations or Separated by any time frames. As the Early Saints understood it was a SINGLE Day of the Lord’s Return and Judgment. Here are some Proof Texts:

Matthew 25:13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.”

Acts 17:30-31 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

Romans 2:16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

1 Corinthians 1:8 who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:14 as also you have understood us in part, that we are your boast as you also are ours, in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Philippians 1:10 that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ,

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.

2 Thessalonians 2:2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.

2 Timothy 4:8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.

1 Peter 2:12 having your conduct honorable among the Gentiles, that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may, by your good works which they observe, glorify God in the day of visitation.

If ANY of the inspired Writers understood a Secret Rapture of the Saints, WHY didn’t they mention it in these passages? Collectively they referred to His Appearing a DAY of the Lord, NOT a Rapture of the Church, as your Pastors are calling it. People in the churches who are following this teaching are typically focused solely on the entire End times Package, NOT Obeying the Lord or seeing anyone Saved from the Corrupting influence of Sin. They have embraced a TOTAL Fallacy of Doctrine and Teaching and the Present Condition of Professing Christians testifies to how far they have fallen into the depths of Satan.
www.standingthegap.org
 
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Tintin

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Tommy, stop talking at people. This is a discussion forum.

WillFollowsGod, the books are poorly-written. Just because you enjoyed them, doesn't mean the writing mechanics were any good. Plenty of people loved the Twilight series but the writing samples I've read are beyond terrible. As for the theology of the books, I guess you can believe what you want. Personally, I think LaHaye focuses far too much on the end times and not enough on Christ's role for him in the meantime.
 
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Brucenorm

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[Fascinating subject. What's seen below is something that appeared recently on my computer screen. Reactions, anyone?]

Pretrib Rapture Pride

by Bruce Rockwell

Pretrib rapture promoters like Thomas Ice give the impression they know more than the early Church Fathers, the Reformers, the greatest Greek New Testament scholars including those who produced the KJV Bible, the founders of their favorite Bible schools, and even their own mentors!
Ice's mentor, Dallas Sem. president John Walvoord, couldn't find anyone holding to pretrib before 1830 - and Walvoord called John Darby and his Brethren followers "the early pretribulationists" (RQ, pp. 160-62). Ice belittles Walvoord and claims that several pre-1830 persons, including "Pseudo-Ephraem" and a "Rev. Morgan Edwards," taught a pretrib rapture. Even though the first one viewed Antichrist's arrival as the only "imminent" event, Ice (and Grant Jeffrey) audaciously claim he expected an "imminent" pretrib rapture! And Ice (and John Bray) have covered up Edwards' historicism which made a pretrib rapture impossible! Google historian Dave MacPherson's "Deceiving and Being Deceived" for documentation on these and similar historical distortions.
The same pretrib defenders, when combing ancient books, deviously read "pretrib" into phrases like "before Armageddon," "before the final conflagration," and "escape all these things"!
BTW, the KJV translators' other writings found in London's famed British Library (where MacPherson has researched) don't have even a hint of pretrib rapturism. Is it possible that Ice etc. have found pretrib "proof" in the KJV that its translators never found?
Pretrib merchandisers like Ice claim that nothing is better pretrib proof than Rev. 3:10. They also cover up "Famous Rapture Watchers" (on Google) which shows how the greatest Greek NT scholars of all time interpreted it.
Pretrib didn't flourish in America much before the 1909 Scofield Bible which has pretribby "explanatory notes" in its margins. Not seen in the margins was jailed forger Scofield's criminal record throughout his life that David Lutzweiler has documented in his recent book "The Praise of Folly" which is available online.
Biola University's doctrinal statement says Christ's return is "premillennial" and "before the Tribulation." Although universities stand for "academic freedom," Biola has added these narrow, restrictive phrases - non-essentials the founders purposely didn't include in their original doctrinal statement when Biola was just a small Bible institute! And other Christian schools have also belittled their founders.
Ice, BTW, has a "Ph.D" issued by a tiny Texas school that wasn't authorized to issue degrees! Ice now says that he's working on another "Ph.D" via the University of Wales in Britain. For light on the degrees of Ice's scholarliness, Google "Bogus degree scandal prompts calls to wind up University of Wales," "Thomas Ice (Bloopers)," "be careful in polemics - Peripatetic Learning," and "Walvoord Melts Ice." Also Google "Thomas Ice (Hired Gun)" - featured by media luminary Joe Ortiz on his Jan. 30, 2013 "End Times Passover" blog.
Other fascinating Google articles include "The Unoriginal John Darby," "X-raying Margaret," "Edward Irving in Unnerving," "Pretrib Rapture Politics," "Pretrib Rapture Secrets," "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty," "Pretrib Hypocrisy," "Pretrib Rapture Secrecy," and "Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism" - most from the author of "The Rapture Plot," the most accurate documentation on pretrib rapture history.
Can anyone guess who the last proud pretrib rapture holdout will be?
 
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Tearose84

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I'm taking my post back. This wasn't about the end times, tribulation, rapture. Bug off. Make your own post.
 
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nonicknametouse

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An affair does not have to be sexual. It is getting emotionally involved with anyone other than your spouse on a regular basis that can constitute an affair. That will eventually lead to other involvenments. If your spending more time with anyone other than your spouse, it is adultry. Matthew 5:27 Wow even a thought is considered adultry. That's why we need to take our thoughts captive in obedience to God. 2 Corinthians 10:5-6
 
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Tearose84

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ya...that's kinda what I thought too.