New Testament Covenant - What is it?

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What is the NT covenant that we have been given? How was it initiated, who gave it and to whom was it made?

Is it binding, if so, how so?

Are there requirements or conditions, if so, what are they?

Can it be broken by the believer, if so, what happens to the believer if he breaks it?

Is this NT covenant kept by the believer or by God or both?

Has this covenant been sealed, if it has, can it be unsealed by anything that we do through sin, disobedience or through a lack of faith?

What role does redemption, reconciliation and grace play in this NT covenant?

Is it a covenant of faith or one of works or both?

Is there anyone who is excluded from this covenant?

What are the scriptures and the words of Christ that we have been given that reveals the nature and institution of this NT covenant?
 
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I am not trying to sound rude here, but are these just rhetorical questions? I mean the new testament covers these pretty well. If you really don't know, I don't mean to offend and I (as well as many others) will be glad to break it down for ya :)
 
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I am not trying to sound rude here, but are these just rhetorical questions? I mean the new testament covers these pretty well. If you really don't know, I don't mean to offend and I (as well as many others) will be glad to break it down for ya :)
I don't think you to be rude, but I do think that the NT covenant is misunderstood in many ways and needs to be discussed as to what it is and how it is applied in the believer's life. Those questions I have posted are open questions to that end. Feel free to convey any answer that you believe to be true concerning the NT covenant.
 
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I am not trying to sound rude here, but are these just rhetorical questions? I mean the new testament covers these pretty well. If you really don't know, I don't mean to offend and I (as well as many others) will be glad to break it down for ya :)
break it down for us Saul_Durian. :)

I always love hearing people tell about God's redemption plan :)
 
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It just HAS to be Trinity and Dispensational eschatology. Oh... and tolerance. Gotta fit that Zionist agenda for earthly dominion. :p
 
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What is the NT covenant that we have been given? How was it initiated, who gave it and to whom was it made?

Is it binding, if so, how so?

Are there requirements or conditions, if so, what are they?

Can it be broken by the believer, if so, what happens to the believer if he breaks it?

Is this NT covenant kept by the believer or by God or both?

Has this covenant been sealed, if it has, can it be unsealed by anything that we do through sin, disobedience or through a lack of faith?

What role does redemption, reconciliation and grace play in this NT covenant?

Is it a covenant of faith or one of works or both?

Is there anyone who is excluded from this covenant?

What are the scriptures and the words of Christ that we have been given that reveals the nature and institution of this NT covenant?
The covenant God gave to Abraham was based on the promises of God, so to with the new covenant.
 
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The new covenant is Christ who went to the cross to cover our sins.

Matt. 5:17
17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but rto fulfill them.
Luke 22:20
20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

We must die if we sin for the wages of sin is death. God has always made a way for us to be forgiven, and it always has involved blood as a symbol of life. Under the old covenant there was repentance required and sacrifice of animals. It was a symbol of the coming of Christ who serves as our sacrifice. Through Christ’s blood and what He did those three days after the cross we are given the opportunity of being holy to be able to be with God. Christ completed the sacrifice for our sin. It requires our repentance. Christ’s blood is more complete than the old way. It is a fulfillment of all God has for us. Penticost is also part of the new covenant. When we accept Christ’s offer of being the blood sacrifice for our sin we are given a spirit that helps us with our relationship with our Lord.

I have heard the new covenant means we are under grace, not the law. Or Jesus meek and mind just says "that's OK, do whatever you want". Oh Dear, I am exaggerating to make a point! Of course, we are under grace. God is Holy, we are carnel. That has always been so. Or that it means that legalism is not required. I think they mean that we don't have to obey God's laws. I have heard that it means we don't have to do any of the rituals any more. I think God gave rituals to help us humans live a more God pleasing life that is happier. We don't have to put a mezuzah on the doorpost or eat kosher food, etc. but we can't ignore our God and Father but remember Him and make Him part of our lives as the mezuzah on the doorpost was given us to remind us. We are to "think of these things" as in Phil 4:8 to be clean and set apart for Him, as eating kosher was given to teach us.

Scripture tells us to be holy. We can't be holy, but we can sure try. We have the new covenant in Christ for when we fail.

 

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It baffle me that you seem to have a problem with the New Covenant and Gods decree of providence.
Why is that? Is it because you can't reject judaism which is a rebellious antichrist doctrine founded
by talmudic pharisees as a counterfeit after our Lord came to fulfill His salvation plan for all mankind ?

Talmudic judaism is contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ like judeo christianity is an oxymoron!

Never trust a jew who want to put you under their filthy influence to detracts you with their so called torah
which is in fact nothing else than rabbinical black magic to lead you away from the truth.

Why? Because they are revolutionaries rejecting Jesus Christ, his Gospel and the New Testament!
Instead they establish their theocratic talmudic system based on the zohar and the kabbalah
which is in fact nothing else than political control for the goyim and an attempt to
become their own messiah and g_d.They will fail!
 
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Ada: Are you saying I must judge and reject all God’s chosen people in order to accept the saving grace of Christ?

Christ and the Father are one. Christ is a fulfillment and completion of the Judaist sacrificial system. The NT is based on the OT, all given to the Jews. How far does your condemnation take you? Christ said we aren’t to change one bit of what His Father says. Seems to me you are changing a lot of it and teaching others to do so. God says not to do that.

Did Hitler do right to kill the Jews? He judged them, too.
 

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Typical jewish defense, ignoring facts.
If they are confronted with their talmudic filth they cry out lout help an anti semite !
Do you you know where the jewish israaeli kibbutz system is derived from?
No? It is a small communist entity.
It is as rabbi steven s. wise boasted.
"Some call it communism i call it judaism."

Or read the books from rabbi harry waton.
Or read this:
Judaic Communism: The Documentary Record
You from your red tent in a kibbutz..
 

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As for jewish communist rabbi harry waton:
"The communist soul is the soul of judaism.
Hence it follows that the triumph of communism in the Russian Revolution is the triumph of judaism."
A book from him online.
A Program for Jews and Humanity : Harry Waton : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

They are responsible for all the bloodshed on the earth as Jesus stated.
They are responsible for the death of tenth of millions of their marxist communist systems throughout the whole world in the past and today.
Modern jewish cultural marxism is destroying america right now!
Read Alexander Solschenizyn The Gulag Archipelago or 200 years together..
 

gotime

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The New covenant is this:

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

notice that the new covenant is to write Gods laws on our hearts and in our minds. None the less this Covenant is not new as many of us understand new.

God made a covenant with Israel and they broke it and thus it faded away. the new covenant is a renewing of the old. how so you ask?

remember that a covenant says if you obey I will.... and if you break then this will happen....
when a covenant is broken then it becomes obsolete. thus in the mercy of God almighty He renews that same covenant but it is new in that it is drawn up again. notice the old testament scripture to Israel.


Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

This has always been the case with God. lets take a look at the covenant given to Abraham


Gen 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

The essence of the covenant/promise with Abraham was to make nations of Him.

why did God chose Abraham?

Answer: Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

because Abraham obeyed Gods laws, commandments and statutes.

Why did God free Israel from Egypt?

Answer: Exo 2:24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
Exo 2:25 And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them.

It was the covenant with Abraham that caused Got to save Israel. notice that the covenant was with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and now Israel. all in the same line all the same covenant.

Notice again:

Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Exo 6:4 And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers.
Exo 6:5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant.

this is not a new covenant but the same one God gave to Abraham.

What was the covenant with Israel that was the same as with Abraham?

Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

notice that the covenant is the ten commandments. remember that the blessings and promises came to Abraham why?

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

The ten commandments were not new with Israel. the promise was and has always been in condition to obedience to Gods law.

Remember that a covenant has blessings or rewards if you keep it and curses or punishments if you do not. In Abraham case the blessings was to become a nation and to live in the land God was going to give them. what was this land?

Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

notice the promise even Abraham understood to be the heavenly city and not one of earth.

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

notice we are told that they have not yet received it not until we are made perfect with them. In other words we are also heirs of the same promise the same covenant given to Abraham and passed to Israel.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Notice we are heirs of the same promise the same covenant.

This is why the new covenant is about the law of God being written in our heart and in our mind. thus if we obey Gods commandments then we are heirs of the same promise. the covenant has always been the same promise based on the same condition. there is much more to say about this but this is sufficient for now.

blessings
 
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Typical jewish defense, ignoring facts.
If they are confronted with their talmudic filth they cry out lout help an anti semite !
Quick question for the thread: What's the difference between an anti-semite and someone who says

No the jews are not(!) the all time victims, with an unique selling point ...
They are the perpetrators till today! They are the ones who should be on
worldwide trial and they should be expelled from all foreign nations.
They should give away their second passport cause they have have no loyalty
for the nation they live in.
 
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Gotime: Amen and bless you! What understanding and thorough explanation.
 
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Wow, I am for a couple days and this gets turned into a Jew fight, what happened?
 
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5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus(1 Timothy 2:5).

The man Christ Jesus is our Savior,for only a sinless man can approach a holy God on mankind's behalf.No man is sinless,so God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,which means God manifest in the flesh,in which the Bible says that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself,and God laid down His life,physical life.

God reconciled sinful mankind back to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,fully God and fully man in harmony,which makes the man Christ Jesus the one who caused spiritual salvation,and the kingdom of God to be born involving people,but we know it was God who did the works,and Jesus is fully God and fully man.

15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth(Hebrews 9:15-17).


The new covenant is made with the man Christ Jesus,who gave us His human body to make that new covenant of value,and it takes one man that is right before God to save mankind.


Of course God is the one who is the savior,who gave us His human body,and is fully God and fully man,so the new covenant is in Jesus Christ,fully God and fully man in harmony,where the Old Testament covenant of the blood of bulls and goats could not give a spiritual covenant with God.


God made the New Testament covenant with the man Christ Jesus,who is the head of the Church,and all who accept Jesus and His shed blood is part of that covenant.
 

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What is the NT covenant that we have been given? How was it initiated, who gave it and to whom was it made?

Is it binding, if so, how so?

Are there requirements or conditions, if so, what are they?

Can it be broken by the believer, if so, what happens to the believer if he breaks it?

Is this NT covenant kept by the believer or by God or both?

Has this covenant been sealed, if it has, can it be unsealed by anything that we do through sin, disobedience or through a lack of faith?

What role does redemption, reconciliation and grace play in this NT covenant?

Is it a covenant of faith or one of works or both?

Is there anyone who is excluded from this covenant?

What are the scriptures and the words of Christ that we have been given that reveals the nature and institution of this NT covenant?
A covenant is an agreement between two or more people.... google it. a testament is the same as a living will... it can't be received till the owner of the will that was giving dies. We know that some wills come with conditions ... the Covenant of Faith is bound to the Law of Faith.... you can find all this in the book of Hebrews.... if you start with chapter 1 thru 10 you will see how God build up His Word to show the new Covenant...
You must also know and understand the Old Covenant to know how and why God brought a knew... this is found in Romans 3-6 and Galatians 2-5...

What God is saying he only used the Old ( earthly) Covenant that man will know what he is doing in the New ( spiritually) the old was for the well being of the flesh ONLY!! and the new was to save both spirit and flesh... the whole man... which through Adam could not live as God had created man to live.

The Covenant.... Through Grace... this grace is not because man could not perform the Law of Moses it came because all man died from the Law of sin and death which cam in the Garden of Eden by Adam.... { by one man's sin ALL died, even those WHO DID NOT sin after the likeness of Adam.}.. even if you never sinned a sin through Adam you still died. this is where the scripture"" God has concluded that all have sinned and come short of his glory"" come in to play....many leave out the first part of this verse and has removed it from what God was truly saying it for.. Grace.. it is because God made a new process to salvation and he did it all by himself. he needed not to do it because he owed it or some one said he had to... it was not because someone did something to earn it.... no one could even if they did the WHOLE LAw of Moses..why? Because they were lost from birth... by Adam... not Moses' Law....
Moses Law was only giving to introduce God and his plan to the World.... this is why in the Book of Hebrews God told us that the Old Law could not save... never was giving to man for salvation.. only to have a good life in the flesh and to understand when God bring forth the real process for redemption. Grace is not a one stop-you in thing. it is an open door to come to the Lord to be saved from sin and changed to live the life on earth that was intended....

Faith... The Law of Faith is not much different from the Law of Moses.... everything that was needed for the forgiveness of sins that was in the temple is now in heaven... also in Christ... He is the fullness of all the earthly temple was...All this is in Hebrews and some is in the book of Revelations.... once we receive the complete works of Christ and God except them on our behalf , we then enter into covenant with the Lord.... which promises us to be wash from the way we think, and do things which was do through the fall of Adam and the world giving into the hands of satan.... the Law and Covenant is a you do this I will do that... the just about 99% of New Testament say this.... to be "RE" to anything it must have been done before..... Redeemed... Reconciled ... None of this was to be done through the Old Law... with animals... not even thought of to be tried to be used to redeem mankind and the World. please read those chapters in the bible and then if you still need more help I will be truly glad to..... fingers tired....so inbox m e if you need more...

REMEMBER... Grace came before the law of Moses .... that is why God said it is of grace and not works... cause works was not even giving to NO man when God established his His Plan to save Man and the Wold. The book of James tells us that FAITH ALONE CAN NOT SAVE NO MAN.... Got to have works.... works did not bring grace but Works will be the reason it will be giving....