Of elephants and donkeys

[Lanolin]

Putting all this into a christian context. I mean...I vote Lamb party (which doesnt exist in america, but hey am not from there so i cant vote anyway. )
Lions end up devouring lambs. .

I think if you have an idea and you arent selfish everyone ought to have the benefits of your idea.
Sometimes those that work the hardest i.e the workers dont actually benefit from all their hard work cos the ones that work hard are paid the least. They do all the hard labour.

People seem to think only the individual counts and forget they are part of the body of Christ. So if one member hurts, the entire body will hurt.

The elephant and donkeys are courting the christian vote but they dont have the solutions theycan only do what man can do and we all know we cant do anything without God. Not the God of this world, but the true God almighty.

 

[RickyZ]

Do you not think that human greed is not present in socialism?
Human greed is in humans and thus in all human systems.

So why do we vilify one system and embrace the other, when the suffer from the same problem?

 

[RickyZ]

If you have an idea, the drive, hard work, ambition to bring it to fruition who should get the reap the benefits of that endeavor?

Equality of outcome for everyone has not proven to be very successful in the past few hundred years.

Yes, if you think up, research, create, build, and sell an item WITH NO ONE ELSE'S HELP you should get it all.

If, on the other hand, designing, building, and marketing requires a pool of people, THE POOL SHOULD SHARE IN THE FRUIT OF THE LABOR.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

So why do we vilify one system and embrace the other, when the suffer from the same problem?

Human systems have flaws because they are human, all we can do is seek to improve the system that has done the most good. For example, capitalism in its purest form lifts more people out of poverty than any other system. So what do we do to improve the kind of hybrid capitalist/socialistic system that we have. We can clean it up, get the cronyism out, and look at what govco regulations restrict people from joining in the game, like corporate welfare, which keeps the big guys well safe from the small guys.
Socialism and communism hasn't produced anything that is good.

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes, if you think up, research, create, build, and sell an item WITH NO ONE ELSE'S HELP you should get it all.

If, on the other hand, designing, building, and marketing requires a pool of people, THE POOL SHOULD SHARE IN THE FRUIT OF THE LABOR.

At some point there will be a finished product and those that work for the inventor are employees.

However, the employer determines how he/she wants to remunerate his employees, and that is a contract between both parties entered in good faith.

If the employer wants to create a co-operative and share all assets, profits, etc., with his employers that again is a choice.

Compulsion is the problem in a command economy.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Yes, if you think up, research, create, build, and sell an item WITH NO ONE ELSE'S HELP you should get it all.

If, on the other hand, designing, building, and marketing requires a pool of people, THE POOL SHOULD SHARE IN THE FRUIT OF THE LABOR.

Agreed so stop taxing people's income

 

[Desdichado]

Read "How To Be A Conservative" by Roger Scruton before you feel the urge to write something like this. You may thank me.

Sadly, far too many Christians are blinded to what the other side really is. The conservative agenda serves only one god - money. Strip it from here, strip it from there, by (their) god the fact that they are first in line at the buffet means they are entitled to all of it. Sick people came to Jesus for healing and He healed them for free. Sick people come to conservatives for healing and conservatives say only if you can afford a huge cost increase. Riches are used to begit power and more riches. Jesus said riches should be shared with the world. The face of the conservative movement isn't Jesus, it's Martin Shkreli.

 

[Lanolin]

At some point there will be a finished product and those that work for the inventor are employees.

However, the employer determines how he/she wants to remunerate his employees, and that is a contract between both parties entered in good faith.

If the employer wants to create a co-operative and share all assets, profits, etc., with his employers that again is a choice.

Compulsion is the problem in a command economy.

Is this the difference between servitude and slavery? Or is there no difference.
Yet as christians we dont treat each other as servants but brothers and sisters.

Which some people might see as communistic/socialistic because everyone was calling everyone else comrade or brother and sister but actually it is christian.

But you right you cant force this on an employer if they choose to be selfish then you can just not work for them. When the employer has a high turn over of staff and wonders why its because they arent treating their employees with decency. Thats why we have labour laws. Some may be skewed left towards employees and some right for employers depending on who is in power.

Being an employer can be hard thats why not everyone starts their own business. But everyone can do something...! In the Bible, Boaz, who was wealthy showed kindess to Ruth who was poor and a foreigner. In those days the richest landownders left gleanings for the poor they didnt keep everything to themselves.