Pope Francis called right-wing Christian fundamentalism a sickness.
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And that's my point. Why would you, not being a oneness, justifies that oneness got a point? Scholarly view you said?
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Let the oneness alone. Let's discuss what you believe
What I believe in respect to this topic (fundamentalism) is that it's a sickness. I don't particularly care either way whether you believe in oneness or trinitarianism, (as I have said, both can be advocated depending on perspective) but I do care for the persecution and rejection of certain people; just two acts of malice among many that seem to be more prevalent in strict fundamentalist regimes than in any other kind of religious denomination.
That's my simple humanity speaking. Not my metaphysical beliefs or lack thereof.
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leonardronaldo
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Fundamentalists are people who holds to the fundamentals of their beliefs.What I believe in respect to this topic (fundamentalism) is that it's a sickness. I don't particularly care either way whether you believe in oneness or trinitarianism, (as I have said, both can be advocated depending on perspective) but I do care for the persecution and rejection of certain people; just two acts of malice among many that seem to be more prevalent in strict fundamentalist regimes than in any other kind of religious denomination.
That's my simple humanity speaking. Not my metaphysical beliefs or lack thereof.
If you believe in Christianity, then your fundamentals would be found in Matthew 22
35 Then one of them, who was a lawyer, asked Him a question, tempting Him and saying,
36 “Master, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said unto him, “‘Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.’
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it: ‘Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.’
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
I can understand if your humanity finds those fundamentals as sickness. I will pray for you that the Holy Spirit shows His Grace to you.
Not true. The Word of God if to be read completely, doesn't need any additional interpretation from human.
Now since you are not even a unitarian, it would be pointless to discuss these things with you.
Let's discuss what you believe.
Are you saying that you are one of the few people who knows exactly how to read the bible and belongs to the right denomination?
If not, then your point is moot.
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leonardronaldo
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No, in fact there is only one Church and I don't like denomination. Jesus Himself pray so that God makes His Church one.Are you saying that you are one of the few people who knows exactly how to read the bible and belongs to the right denomination?
If not, then your point is moot.
I believe the Church has always been one and will always be one until He comes back.
Fundamentalists are people who holds to the fundamentals of their beliefs.
If you believe in Christianity, then your fundamentals would be found in Matthew 22
35 Then one of them, who was a lawyer, asked Him a question, tempting Him and saying,
36 “Master, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said unto him, “‘Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.’
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it: ‘Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.’
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
I can understand if your humanity finds those fundamentals as sickness. I will pray for you that the Holy Spirit shows His Grace to you.
Does it please you to twist my words and ignore what I have already stated as my viewpoint? I said earlier that fundamentalist christianity (or any fundamentalism) is rarely just about a commandment as basic as loving God. It's usually a much more elaborate, complex and rigid system that requires its followers to be adherant to a plethora of certain ways of thought and beliefs. Hence the reason it isn't just called 'christianity'. If the above belief were the only one required for all the forms of 'fundamentalist christianity', then I doubt rejection of certain people and persecution of others would be a problem stemming from fundamentalism at all. Therefore I wouldn't have an issue.
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leonardronaldo
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Christians who seek to live a Godly life are to be persecuted, not the other way around.Does it please you to twist my words and ignore what I havce already stated as my viewpoint? I said earlier that fundamentalist christianity (or any fundamentalism) is rarely just about a commandment as basiuc as loving God. It's usually a much more elaborate, complex and rigid system that requires its followers to be adherant to a plethora of certain ways of thought and beliefs. Hence the reason it isn't just called 'christianity'. If the above belief were the only one required for all the forms of 'fundamentalism', then I doubt rejection of certain people and persecution of others would be a problem stemming from fundamentalism at all.
If you are refering complex and rigid set to the followers' system into fundamentalist, then you are wrong. Those are religions, not Christianity.
Christians who seek to live a Godly life are to be persecuted, not the other way around.
If you are refering complex and rigid set to the followers' system into fundamentalist, then you are wrong. Those are religions, not Christianity.
Maybe to you they are. And to me, I'd likely agree. But I'm trying not to solely look at it from my own perspective. Yours differs to mine. Are you right? Am I wrong?
That was part of why I posted at all; perspectives differ greatly. In fact you and I, we're saying the same thing in wildly varying ways; that rigid, complex fundamentalism is bad. Could you imagine if you were an extremist muslim fundamentalist or a member of the Spanish Inquisition and you heard me say the things I said against your beliefs? Even though, when we've had a chance to discuss, we're saying almost the same thing, given the scenario above I'd likely be killed.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
I know that not all fundamentalism is as physically and emotionally oppressive as the two examples above, but mentally and spiritually, it's got no substance, no nourishment. It's force a lot of the time.
'You gotta belief THIS exact way or you're goin to hell'.
'Oh God, my mind just can't think that way it's so hard'. *pretends to believe like everyone else out of fear of hell*
And it's often much more subtle, silent and manipulative than that. Wanting to control people and turn them into robots is a vice that humanity has created ourselves.
'You gotta belief THIS exact way or you're goin to hell'.
'Oh God, my mind just can't think that way it's so hard'. *pretends to believe like everyone else out of fear of hell*
And it's often much more subtle, silent and manipulative than that. Wanting to control people and turn them into robots is a vice that humanity has created ourselves.
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I know that not all fundamentalism is as physically and emotionally oppressive as the two examples above, but mentally and spiritually, it's got no substance, no nourishment. It's force a lot of the time.
'You gotta belief THIS exact way or you're goin to hell'.
'Oh God, my mind just can't think that way it's so hard'. *pretends to believe like everyone else out of fear of hell*
And it's often much more subtle, silent and manipulative than that. Wanting to control people and turn them into robots is a vice that humanity has created ourselves.
And I genuinely belief that THAT is the motivation for strict, harsh fundamentalism when it all boils down. I don't think it's about God at all.
We may, all of us, believe differently about what God is, about how he (or 'she' to some tribes and some parts of the world) looks, acts, behaves. What God wants. What God's name is in our language. What God desires from humanity. What the rules are. Etcetera etcetera.
But I believe above all differences, that nobody on earth has the right to violate another person in the name of God. Even though we believe differently, when it all boils down; humanity were all created by the same God. That's something that we can agree on (unless you don't believe in creation at all, in which case, fundamentalist ideals aren't likely to be an issue).
That's one more reason (and perhaps the main reason) why i agree with Pope Francis' comment.
But I believe above all differences, that nobody on earth has the right to violate another person in the name of God. Even though we believe differently, when it all boils down; humanity were all created by the same God. That's something that we can agree on (unless you don't believe in creation at all, in which case, fundamentalist ideals aren't likely to be an issue).
That's one more reason (and perhaps the main reason) why i agree with Pope Francis' comment.
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