RE: Healing in the Atonement

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Cee

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Notice James doesn't simply say "prayer" he says the "prayer of faith". And he didn't say if God wills it. He said WILL save the sick.

JESUS clearly says peoples' faith made them well. Yet people say they don't need faith today?

Scripture requests:

1 Peter 2:24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.

He bore our sins in His body. And the result? Our bodies are healed. This is NOT talking about salvation. Why? Because we are not healed to be saved. We die to be saved.

Romans 6:4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

Romans 7:6 But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the Law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

So then what does it mean when it says by His stripes we are healed?

Matt 8:16That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. 17This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: “He took our illnesses and bore our diseases.”

Matthew is clear, the Scripture in Isaiah 53 reveals Jesus' ministry to cast out spirits and heal all who are sick. And Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, is fulfilling His ministry through us!

1 John 4:17 Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked.


How did Jesus walk?

Acts 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.

But does Jesus say we will do the works He did?

John 14:2 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.

In regards to the claim that Peter is only talking about "spiritual healing":

He walked with Jesus for 3.5 yrs saw many, many healings. In his own ministry he saw people getting healed from his shadow! He knew healing was available. When he said "by His stripes you were healed" he knew what people would believe, but he didn't feel any reason to say, oh wait this doesn't mean physical healing. He obviously wasn't too worried about people thinking healing was in the atonement.

In regards to healing being only for salvation:

This goes against James which promises healing to BELIEVERS. And Jesus (God in the flesh) actually healed more people than He forgave of sin.

In regards to Jesus only healing to make disciples and faith only "saving faith":

Jesus healed people even without asking them to be His disciples - so NO Scripture doesn't teach it was just for salvation purposes. And these people HAD faith because Jesus commended them for it! So faith is more than "saving faith".

In regards to Isaiah 53 not having HEALING in the Atonement:

Isaiah 53 reads: He has born our DISEASES and our ILLNESSES according to ESV and the next verse reads: By His Stripes you were healed. You have to not like what it says to not see the clarity of it.

Here's Isaiah 53 via Young's Literal Translation:

3He is despised and left of men, a man of pains and acquainted with sickness; And as one hiding the face from us, He is despised, and we esteemed him not. Sicknesses he hath borne, and our pains – lo, he has carried them; And we – we have esteemed him plagued, smitten of God, and afflicted.

4 Surely our sicknesses he hath borne, and our pains he hath carried them

5 And he is pierced for our transgressions. Bruised for our iniquities, the chastisement of our peace is on him. And by his bruise there is healing to us.

10a And Jehovah hath delighted to bruise him; He hath made him sick

The word translated sorrows in the KJV, NASB and NIV and translated pains in Young’s translation is holi in the Hebrew. (In the KJV, even with its prejudice against healing, holi is translated disease 7x; grief 4x; sickness 12x; be sick 1x.)The word which is translated grief(s), suffering and infirmities in our common English translations is makob. The word is used 16 times in the Old Testament, of which at least 11 have to do with mental suffering.

The word translated healed in verse 5 is rapha and is the standard word for healing. It is used over 60 times in the OT. The KJV translates it: cure 1x; heal 30x; make whole 1x; physician 5x; be healed 6x; be made whole 1x; cause to be healed 1x; heal 6x; repair 1x; be healed 1x; be healed 1x.

How does Scripture TRANSLATE IT?

Matt 8:16That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. 17This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: “He took our illnesses and bore our diseases.”

In regards to God not wanting all people healed:

JESUS HEALED EVERYONE. Even the ones the disciples COULDN'T heal!
He only did what He say His Father do.
Yet some say, today, He's just pickin' and choosin'.
Even though all through-out Scripture He says YOUR FAITH made you well.
Is Jesus the same today, yesterday, and forever or NOT?
He NEVER said it wasn't God's will for people to be healed.
But some say sometimes it's not? Was He God in the flesh or what?

My question is simple:
Does Scripture indicate that people were healed by FAITH, yes or no?
And if yes, what Scripture supports its now changed?

C.
 
It's easier to put it all on God than for them to admit they aren't following the Bible. What a wake up call they'll have if they persist!.... It's sad