religion of the founding fathers

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Tommy379

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It's a common misconception that our founding fathers were Christian. Most of them were deists are Freemasons which is a luciferian cult
Freemasons are not a religion or cult. Its a fraternity.
 
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jaybird88

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You simply don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. The shadow government of today did not exist in colonial America. The powers of international finance and banking had not taken over yet. Look further forward to after the American Civil War; that's when the money powers began to take over.
did this shadow government just show up one day out of thin air? or did they get their ideas from earlier generations that made fortunes off the backs of slaves, that made treaty's with native americans only to break each and every one, promising equality with natives if they abandoned their culture and became more europeon only to be betrayed again. and then the civil war fought over slavery which less than 5% of the southern population owned slaves and less than 1% of slave owners fought battles.
exactly what kind of example does this set for future leaders?
 

Zmouth

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You are basing your opinion merely upon unsubstantiated conjecture. Moreover the title you cite is from the Christian author of the article and is more representative of his views.

According to your source, "As my friend Stephen Mansfield details in his new book Lincoln’s Battle with God (published by Thomas Nelson), he was an iconoclast, a gadfly, and an intellectual bully."

"Friends reported that Lincoln referred to Jesus as a “bastard.”

So did Mr. Mansfield personally know President Lincoln? Seeing that Mr. Mansfield was born in 1958, do you think he actually spoke on any of Abraham Lincoln's friends? You do know what conjecture is don't you?

Plus Abraham Lincoln wasn't a founding father. You desire to provide a history lesson for Americans rather than your fellow countryment reminds me of the passage in 1 Tim 5:8

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.







 

Zmouth

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You mean this george washington...who was he really praying to the Great Architect or guiding light aka lucifer? And no that apron is not to bake cookies for his soldiers ....it's a masonic apron and a portrait he commissioned to show his pride in being a mason.....
Again you show you complete and total disregard for the facts since portrait you claim Washington commission is actually an 1870 lithograph which was part of Harry T. Peters "America on Stone Lithography Collection. Again since Washington died in 1799 your claim that it was a portrait he commissioned by Washington shows your integrity.
 
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Ultimatum77

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Let this infidel (by your assertion) admit that no I'm no US history afficionado...and I know Abe Lincoln was no founding father I was using the example of how he's painted to be some god like guy who never told a lie which is bull....he was a man just like other human beings...did he do some good things yes but he's not perfect....

As for GW, he still was proud of being a freemason and was quoted as saying he wanted to see the spread of it throughout america.....also why is he sitting among the gods like baphomet? hmmm...in the apotheosis?

Why is there a washington monument (egyptian obelisk?) last I checked there's nothign Christian about an obelisk....or a reflecting pool?(as above so below)....why do they call it the "oval office"? These are all questions to ask and if you delve deeper you realize that the shadow government was installed at the founding, it has grown new tentacles via new corporations/banks/Military industrial complex...but the root is freemasonry which is satanism....why is DC designed like a pentagram? why do they call it a pentagon? and no it's not just for its shape but it has esoteric meaning.....

All of the golden age barons of business like cornelius vanderbilt, JP Morgan etc did not achieve their wealth by hard work (as is the bull that is pushed to students in America that if you work hard you will get some where which you will but not to their extravagant levels of millions or billions). ....they used corruption and their fellow brothers of the craft to skirt laws and bribe officials....JP Morgan was a part of the Rothschild banking family...

The Rothschilds, Freemasons, and Illuminati - Big Sky Words




You cannot deny that your country was founded by some freemasons....the evidence is all over your capitol and dollar bill.....and no you cannot be a Christian and a freemason as I have stated numerous times....

As for the shadow government it has been existence for 100's of years if not thousands....it morphs with name and ideology from the Roman Catholic Church to knights templar to jesuits to freemasons to modern day poltiicians...but is an anti-christ system of controlling people to an extreme level where one dictates to many....it started with Nimrod and will end with the Anti-christ but the same spirit/ideology is the undercurrent behind it.

Many do know know that Napolean himself was financed by the rothschilds and he funded both sides of the napoleonic wars to make profits....afterall there is great money to be made during war....

What was Nathan Rothschild's interest in funding the Napoleonic Wars? | Investopedia

I think where you are coming from is that after the civil war when big banks and monopolies were coming up and ultimately led to the federal reserve which is not a real govt bank but a financial institution for profiteering by the rich....it is illegal...

The banker boys (rothschilds, rockefellers) were working great in the old world and shifted their operations to the New Atlantis (new world) in order to make a corrupt power hungry government that would benefit the bankers....which is why America is where it is today...the rotten seeds were sowed into the ground by fake history and today America is reaping bad fruit because of the corruption that was there at the start via the freemasons and bankers...
 
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Ultimatum77

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An excerpt from that long article....this was 70 years before the civil war and shows that the bankers had their hands in America well before then....

By 1791 Rothschild was extending his reach to America, where he convinced Alexander Hamilton to set up the First Bank of the United States with a 20-year charter.
 

DP

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did this shadow government just show up one day out of thin air? or did they get their ideas from earlier generations that made fortunes off the backs of slaves, that made treaty's with native americans only to break each and every one, promising equality with natives if they abandoned their culture and became more europeon only to be betrayed again. and then the civil war fought over slavery which less than 5% of the southern population owned slaves and less than 1% of slave owners fought battles.
exactly what kind of example does this set for future leaders?
That's about every piece of propaganda devised by America haters that I've heard in my life. You guys are heeding fairy tales, not real history. What they teach in public school texts is one thing, what is written by primary sources of people who were there and experienced it, is another. You guys should try reading some primary source material from both sides of the equation in those periods of American history.

As for the shadow government... you obviously missed this...

Jude 4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV

Matt 13:38-40
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
KJV