Romans 1 -- Holding down the Truth in unrighteousness

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1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, There are a lot of protestors claiming to be standing for righteousness. That is a worthy goal, but are you a servant of Jesus Christ? Are you separated to the gospel of God? 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) The prophets have promised a kingdom in which righteousness dwells, they have promised that the wicked and evil men will be judged.
 

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"This is a fraud...I have never seen anything like this before"
 
Voter Fraud is very rare and other lies.

Let's consider this election as an example.

1. Many people think the election can turn on two "swing states" which refer to states where the vote is very close. So you don't need voter fraud in 48 states, so right there you can say that 96% of the states don't have any voter fraud.

2. These states are called "swing states" because they are closely contested. Let's say 10 million people vote in the state, 100% of those votes can be legitimate. No fraud. But now one candidate has 5,100,000 votes and the other has 4,900,000 votes. The election hinges on 200,000 votes, not 10 million. So if I have voter fraud on 200,000 votes that is only 2% of the votes in that state, and that state is only 1 out of 50 which is also 2%. So then 99.96% of the vote can be legitimate, and yet that 0.04% that is fraudulent.

Still how can such a tiny amount affect the election?

Pennsylvania has 20 electoral votes, if you win the state, even by a very tiny margin you get all the electoral votes. That is 7.4% of the electoral college votes needed to win. So manipulating 0.04% of votes turns into a 7.4% swing in the electoral college. A close election will generally be decided by 7% of the vote.
 
It's only 0.04% of the vote, how can that make a difference?

So yes, 0.04% of the votes is really tiny, but 7.4% of the votes is not. I have learned to my horror that many Americans are not aware of this. Why did so many Californians flood the voting booths in 2016 when they saw Trump was winning? They didn't understand that their votes don't matter, California was going to Clinton and she was getting all the electoral college votes regardless of how many votes she won by.

The problem with voter fraud

Many people don't vote so it is easy to stuff ballots if you know who won't show up to vote. In an election like this where so many people were motivated to vote, some for the first time, that was very hard to do.

Second, if you vote for people who died (perhaps the 200,00 who died from Covid) then that can be caught as well. What you need to do is to take the voter registration, eliminate those who have died using death certificates, and then compare this new list to those who actually voted. Then you will have a list of those you can stuff ballots for.

The problem with that is you won't know who voted until the next day. So you also need the law to change to allow you to add votes after election day. Step 1, if they mail it in before election day but it is received after election day that is OK. Step 2, even if there is no postmark that is also good. Step 3 -- even if the signatures don't match. Once you have changed the laws like they have in Pennsylvania you have the perfect setup to stuff ballots.

Why are the polls so bad?

Even if you do all that it will seem very fishy unless you first suggest that the election will be stolen and that all the votes need to be counted first and then only approved media outlets are allowed to "call a state" based on the votes and then you have been telling people continuously how one candidate is going to win by double digits. Then when they don't win it will be like "what happened to those votes"? This will work especially well if you instruct your base to vote by mail.

Now we expect that the mail in votes will be for your guy and we expect that the results we are seeing are a result of them not counting all the votes, and we have no problem with them taking a few extra days to count the votes because we have already swallowed the idea that the other side will try to prevent you from counting them.

So then if the polls had been accurate (like Trafalgar or Red Eagle Politics) the results would be exactly what you predicted. The polls are bad because it make the planned voter fraud appear more legitimate.
 
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

But the focus on all their words are on Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

The resurrection from the dead is what started the church age, it is what started the age of grace.

5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Again, where did you receive grace? What is the basis for your call to obedience of all the nations? Many of the protestors are demanding everyone obey them, but based on what? Do they have power over death?

6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

Yes, it isn’t just Paul. We all have been called of Jesus Christ.

7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The gospel of grace brings peace from God our Father. Right now there are a lot of things happening that are causing people to be troubled in the world. But in Jesus Christ we have peace.

8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Isn’t the internet, Youtube, and online forums awesome? Thank the Lord our faith is being spoken of throughout the whole world.

9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers; 10 Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you. 11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established; 12 That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.

I see this in many of the testimonies on Youtube and on these forums. People are ministering what they have seen and heard so that others might be established and comforted.

13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.

We aren’t ignorant, we know that there has been censorship, government lockdowns, and government persecution in many areas of the world. We used to think that censorship was only a problem in China and Russia and Iran and North Korea. But recently we are seeing widespread censorship everywhere including the US.

14 I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.

This is so true, you can pick up stuff from so many. I saw a video on the Beresheet prophecy, that was amazing. He shows how the entire story of the Bible is told in this one word which is the Hebrew word for beginning. So when God says “I told you the end from the beginning” it is truly a double entendre. Then I saw another testimony from a girl who literally knew nothing of the Bible, she didn’t even know about the rapture, yet she had a rapture dream that was very encouraging.

15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

All of these protests in the US prove that you need a revelation of the righteousness of God. It is a very narrow road and clearly there are few that find it.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Holding down the truth in unrighteousness is censorship. But notice the caveat that Paul doesn’t simply say it is holding down the truth, but that they do it in unrighteousness. You may feel that the truth is that Covid19 is a hoax. Your speech may be censored for that, yet holding down speech that is considered to create a health risk for others can be done in a way that is not unrighteous. No, an example of holding down the truth in unrighteousness is what the NFL did about the truth concerning CTE, the brain damage to people in the NFL. Another example is what Facebook, Twitter, ABC, NBC, CBS, New York Times, Washington Post and the AP are doing with the scandal concerning Hunter Biden’s emails. We are seeing the wrath of God revealed against what the NFL did, what the cigarette companies did, and what these media companies are doing.

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

For 2,000 years the truth concerning Jesus has been suppressed.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

The Shroud of Turin is an excellent example. This one artifact has undergone a more rigorous forensic examination than any other artifact in human history. Scientists involved in this process that were sure it was a fake have been convinced they were mistaken. One scientist said that they would have confirmed it’s authenticity years ago if not for the implication of that.

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Wow, so true. All of these people who deny God all profess themselves to be wise. They claim that is mythology, that is out of date, we are modern, scientific, etc. Look at the total chaos that these fools will create.

23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

I saw a picture on the internet of what appeared to be an Iranian woman taking off those coverings they wear to reveal a red bikini bathing suit with another Iranian woman looking down in shame. If a woman parading around in her underwear on a beach is shameful just think of how shameful, unclean and dishonorable are the things done in the world today.

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.

Amen. When you walk according to the lusts of the flesh you are serving the creature more than the creator.