Spirit versus Flesh: Understanding the Divine & Sinful natures

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Here's a post I made in another thread which explains how man, once saved, now possesses the same nature that Christ possessed and how that divine nature is victorious over the sinful nature (which is the flesh) when we learn how to surrender to the indwelling Holy Spirit. Enjoy! :)

In order to fully understand that which I am speaking of, one must first understand the duality of Christ. Jesus was both human and divine simultaneously.

Because Jesus lived in a human body, He was tempted in every way as a normal human is however, scripture states that Jesus never sinned despite those temptations. According to the Apostle Paul, the human body, or as Paul calls it "The Flesh", drives our desire to sin.

In the beginning God created humanity with one goal in mind; fellowship, thus mankind was created for a single purpose that only God Himself could fulfill. Immediately upon creating mankind, God Himself provided for all of mankind's needs in the Garden of Eden. However, after the fall, man's relationship with God was severed. Man was forced out of the Garden and man was forced to provide for his own needs, an impossible task seeing as man's entire reason for existing is fellowship with God. Without God's presence or provision, man became a slave to his own physical desires, ie. selfishness.

Understanding man's fallen state and his inability to save himself, God took it upon Himself to set into motion a plan to restore right fellowship between Himself and humanity. That plan: to humble Himself and become a man in every way. Enter Jesus Christ.

Again, Jesus was both both man and God simultaneously. Because Jesus lived in a human body He could have sinned just as you or I. If this were not true then it would have been impossible for Jesus to have been tempted in the first place. Yet, despite being tempted in every way, Jesus still did not sin. How is that possible? What did Jesus have from birth that you or I do not?

Jesus, being both human and divine, also possessed the divine nature. Jesus owes His divinity to the Spirit of God that dwelled within Him from conception. Scripture records that when Jesus was conceived in Mary's womb, the Holy Spirit descended upon Mary and impregnated her. The Holy Spirit did not so much provide the seed that impregnated the Virgin Mary but rather, the Holy Spirit was the divine seed.

The Holy Spirit is the divine nature of God Himself that empowered Christ to live a sinless life thus He is the righteousness of Christ. Jesus himself taught that the "Son of Man" (Jesus' own humanity) could do nothing apart from God and that He did not seek to do His own will (fulfill the desires of His human body) but that He does that which He sees the Father doing (God's will) through His own divinity (the Holy Spirit). In other words, Jesus did not seek to fulfill his own earthly desires or will (the sin nature) but rather He surrendered Himself to the will of the Father (the divine nature).

The will of the Father for Jesus' life was three fold: (1) to lead by example of how one can live a life pleasing to the Father; (2) to sacrifice His life for remission of sins; and, (3) to restore right fellowship between God and mankind, thus allowing the Spirit of God to now reside in the hearts and minds off those who believe.

When we are saved, we receive the Holy Spirit which is the same divine nature which resided in Christ Himself. The Apostle Peter states in 2 Peter 1 (verses 3 & 4) ;
" For His (Christ's) divine power has bestowed upon us all things that [are requisite and suited] to life and godliness, through the [full, personal] knowledge of Him Who called us by and to His own glory and excellence (virtue)[/u]. By means of these He has bestowed on us His precious and exceedingly great promises, so that through them you may escape [by flight] from the moral decay (rottenness and corruption) that is in the world because of covetousness (lust and greed), and become sharers (partakers) of the divine nature." The Apostle Paul echoes this sentiment in Romans 6, Romans 8 and Galatians 5. The Apostle John says virtually the same thing in 1 John Chapters 3 & 4. The Apostle James says virtually the same thing in the epistles of James Chapter 4. Finally, Jesus Christ Himself provides a full explanation of this in His own words in John chapters 14-17.

Please understand, the Holy Spirit that dwells in you after salvation is the same Spirit of God (divine nature) that dwelled in Christ. Because the Holy Spirit is in all ways divine, He does not need to impart righteousness, His very presence within is righteousness thus the moment the Holy Spirit enters into a new believer, that believer now possesses the same righteousness that dwelled in Christ. It is because the Holy Spirit is the righteousness of Christ that He was the ability to "seal" us for the day of redemption.

How do we know that the Holy Spirit is the divine nature? Let's look at Galatians 5, verses 22 -25:


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[font size=+10]22 But the fruit [characteristics, evidences] of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness,

23 Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence).
Against such things there is no law [that can bring a charge].

24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus (the Messiah) have crucified the flesh (the godless human nature) with its passions and appetites and desires.

25 If we live by the [Holy] Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. [If by the Holy Spirit we have our life in God, let us go forward walking in line, our conduct controlled by the Spirit.][/font][/quote]

Through the Holy Spirit, we now have access to everything we need to live like Christ lived and love like Christ loved. All we have to do to unlock the divine nature that now resides in us is to learn to follow Christ's example. We must learn to surrender (lay aside) our own will and selfish desires in favor of pursuing the will of God which can only be revealed to us through abiding (walking) in the Spirit. Both Romans 8 and Galatians 5 plainly state that those who walk in the Holy Spirit need not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. In the flesh, you and I can do nothing but sin because we are slaves to the flesh. However, in the Spirit, we are free from the influence of sin because we have become partakers of righteousness (the divine nature).

To sum things up simply, when we learn to submit to the indwelling Holy Spirit, the divine nature over rides the the sinful nature. As long as you abide in the Spirit, sin has absolutely no power over you. However, the moment when we take our eyes off of Christ, who now dwells within us, we make ourselves vulnerable to sin because we are walking in the flesh which in and of itself is the the sin nature according to Romans 7.

In ending, it my hope that this brief explanation of the Holy Spirit and the divine nature helps some of you understand just what it is Christ did on the cross and what exactly we have access to through right fellowship with God through His Spirit.
 
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Something to ponder. Which statement is true?

1. God saves us, then cleans us up?
2. We have to clean ourselves up, then God saves us?


I think 1 is most Biblical.

You?
While #1 may sound the most biblical between the two options, I personally do not belief it is accurate. If I may, I would like to present a third option:

#3. We are both saved and cleaned upon salvation.


2 Corinthians 5:16-18 (Amp):[/b]

16 Consequently, from now on we estimate and regard no one from a [purely] human point of view [in terms of natural standards of value]. [No] even though we once did estimate Christ from a human viewpoint and as a man, yet now [we have such knowledge of Him that] we know Him no longer [in terms of the flesh].


17 Therefore if any person is [ingrafted] in Christ (the Messiah) he is a new creation (a new creature altogether); the old [previous moral and spiritual condition] has passed away. Behold, the fresh and new has come!


18 But all things are from God, Who through Jesus Christ reconciled us to Himself [received us into favor, brought us into harmony with Himself] and gave to us the ministry of reconciliation [that by word and deed we might aim to bring others into harmony with Him].


I personally believe that we are both saved and made clean upon salvation however, because of poor discipleship and wrong doctrine, we soon find ourselves falling into some of the same old sins that easily beset us before we were saved simply because we do not know how to stay clean.

Many in the modern church would have you believe that sanctification is life long maturation process. However, the scriptures themselves do not teach this at all. In fact, scripture seems to indicate that we have been set free from the influence of sin at the moment of salvation and that we can remain free through walking / abiding in the Holy Spirit. Therefore, we have been made clean (ie. sealed, set apart, sanctified) upon salvation and remain clean (ie. sanctified) by living a life in total surrender to the indwelling Holy Spirit (ie. walking in the Spirit, abiding in the vine).

Having said this, sanctification is not a process per say, but rather it rests entirely on our proximatey to the Holy Spirit through right relationship. In other words, sanctification is not a process but the person of the Holy Spirit (ie. divine nature) Himself. When we abide in Him we not only walk in right relationship but also in sanctification resulting in the divine nature (fruits of Spirit) being made manifest in our lives.

In ending, neither our salvation or our sanctification rests on anything that we do but rather what Christ has already done. Christ died for the forgiveness of sins so that we can walk in right fellowship with the Spirit of Christ. Walking in the Spirit simply requires that we place our complete trust in and surrender to the finished work of the cross and the will of the Father for our lives as revealed to us through the indwelling Holy Spirit. Neither of which are a work that man does but rather the result of possessing saving faith.