The Dodo Bird

[NinJaGGS]

Believe what you want. God does not bless men with wealth. Men take wealth from the earth. If you find comfort in thinking that the devil is not involved in every moment of all of our lives, then by all means. I owe the Caesar's of this age nothing more than my prayers that God deal with them with love and not by the abominations they have committed.

 

[Ritter]

Believe what you want. God does not bless men with wealth. Men take wealth from the earth. If you find comfort in thinking that the devil is not involved in every moment of all of our lives, then by all means. I owe the Caesar's of this age nothing more than my prayers that God deal with them with love and not by the abominations they have committed.

Wow way to address things that were never said.

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

Believe what you want. God does not bless men with wealth.

The Word of God disagrees with your statement.
Ecc 5:19 Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labor; this is the gift of God.
Ecc 6:2 A man to whom God hath given riches, wealth, and honor, so that he wanteth nothing for his soul of all that he desireth, yet God giveth him not power to eat thereof, but a stranger eateth it: this is vanity, and it is an evil disease.



In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[Ritter]

Christianwarriors pwn German knights.

 

[Web01]

The dodo was a flightless bird endemic to the Indian Ocean island of Mauritius. It stood about a metre (3.3 feet) tall, weighing about 20 kilograms (44 lb).

 

[Ritter]

Yay wikipedia!

 

[NinJaGGS]

Wow way to address things that were never said.

this does tie into what was said. God did not bless the USA with material wealth. The powerful of the country stole the wealth from the land and the Indians. God doesn't bless us with that kind of wealth. there is nothing wrong with wealth, only that it corrupts and men do awful things to get it.

as for God's word contradicting my statement that he does not bless us with wealth... the wealth spoken of in the verses taken out of context is spiritual wealth, which God has blessed us all with. To think of God as Santa Clause rewarding good deeds is ludacris, as i said before the truely blessed are the poor, those who have earned the right to suffer with Christ, all of us who have wealth have a bit of the blood that earned that wealth on us... we can only watch as the poor saints of God struggle...

Give us this day our daily bread....
Bestow unto us our spritual eyes daily to see thy mercy, O God.

 

[Ritter]

this does tie into what was said. God did not bless the USA with material wealth. The powerful of the country stole the wealth from the land and the Indians. God doesn't bless us with that kind of wealth. there is nothing wrong with wealth, only that it corrupts and men do awful things to get it.

as for God's word contradicting my statement that he does not bless us with wealth... the wealth spoken of in the verses taken out of context is spiritual wealth, which God has blessed us all with. To think of God as Santa Clause rewarding good deeds is ludacris, as i said before the truely blessed are the poor, those who have earned the right to suffer with Christ, all of us who have wealth have a bit of the blood that earned that wealth on us... we can only watch as the poor saints of God struggle...

Give us this day our daily bread....
Bestow unto us our spritual eyes daily to see thy mercy, O God.

I agree that the spiritual well-being of man is God's greatest objective but let's look at the Biblical examples of men blessed with material wealth:

Job
David
Solomon
Abraham
Jacob
Joseph

No one is saying God is some celestial Santa Clause. What we are saying is that he blesses men in different ways and some men are blessed with the ability to make copious sums of money and that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with that.

Again, way for reading into what was said without actually reading what was said. If anyone forgets the crimes done to the Indians, they are a dolt. Equally doltish are people who forget this is the way pretty much any modern nation has started. The difference is that Americans are generally repentant of what was done. That too makes us special.

More doltish is the assertion that every drop of wealth we have acquired is on the backs of Indian tribes.

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

this does tie into what was said. God did not bless the USA with material wealth. The powerful of the country stole the wealth from the land and the Indians. God doesn't bless us with that kind of wealth. there is nothing wrong with wealth, only that it corrupts and men do awful things to get it.

as for God's word contradicting my statement that he does not bless us with wealth... the wealth spoken of in the verses taken out of context is spiritual wealth, which God has blessed us all with. To think of God as Santa Clause rewarding good deeds is ludacris, as i said before the truely blessed are the poor, those who have earned the right to suffer with Christ, all of us who have wealth have a bit of the blood that earned that wealth on us... we can only watch as the poor saints of God struggle...

Give us this day our daily bread....
Bestow unto us our spritual eyes daily to see thy mercy, O God.

Brother I have to disagree with you again. Is it not God that puts each and everyone of us in the world in which we live? Are not some born rich while others are born poor? Perhaps you should read Job and how he lost everthing and in the end God Blessed him with more than he had to begin with. You seem to be throwing alot of people into one category. While many may fit into that category not everyone does. Do you know the spiritual condition of the heart of these people?
The verses I quoted in my post above are not taken out of context.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[NinJaGGS]

I admit I am wrong. I am very constantly carried away by my convictions and the things i have seen and experienced. I've grown up on an Indian Reservation now for 18 years and am probably more than a bit biased on the subject. But I must respect you for your patience and kindness toward me. I don't like the idea that God is cosmic Santa Clause, something I have been aggravating about now for some time. You must understand, there is much in this world that is very ungodly and I dislike very much when I see something that is ungodly being glorified as God, not saying this is what was occurring, but I saw it because thats what i was angry about at the time. The mind is terrifyingly powerful, that it can see what it wants to, that it takes prayer to snap myself out of a tangent.
GOD BE WITH US ALL RICH OR POOR, BLESS THE MURDERERS TO REPENT AND BLESS THE THIEVES TO REPENT, AND I BOTH A MURDERER OF MY ENEMIES IN MY MIND AND A THEIF OF THE GOODWILL OF GOD, BLESS ME O GOD TO WALK THE PATH OF REPENTANCE.

 

[Ritter]

The mind is terrifyingly powerful, that it can see what it wants to, that it takes prayer to snap myself out of a tangent.

Very true. It is something we all struggle with, brother.

 

[CC_Bride]

I don't see what the big deal is. Who cares if the 'American Empire' is on the losing side of world domination and opinion, it doesn't mean that America will disappear. Before America became the world power during and after WW2, guess who was the world power before that? The Brits. And theyre doing fine playing second fiddle to you lot. In fact I find myself turning more and more back to my british roots for fashion, movies, music (not necessarily politics since its all vermin speak to me), ideas..

The Greek empire under Alexander the Great was absolutely huge. Sure he got poisoned and his empire got divided up and eventually ceased to be but the influence of that empire expanded well beyond the life of Jesus and his apostles. The Romans may have been the controlling power but it was the Greeks who contributed culture, education, media, religion (despite it being pagan), sports etc. Their empire/country today is a disgrace but their historical legacy is fantastic.

I think America has a saviour complex and for over 50 years has gotten used to being the self righteous always comming to the rescue but unintentionally screwing up and making things worse Big Brother to the world. And quite frankly if its coming to an end so be it, theres not a lot people can do about it. Empires come and go, get over it.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

As most of you know, I'm 84 years old, a retired pastor/author/lecturer. I've witnessed the sociatal changes in our country with my own two eyes so I can state from personal experience that we are so culturally and morally different than our earlier generations that our forefathers would not recognize us as Americans.

You say "different than," and from the remainder of your post, I assume you mean that we are generally "worse than" we were say 50 years ago.

50 years ago, when black men were routinely beaten just for having the audacity to show up at a polling place to exercise their right to vote? You think that it's worse now, when that doesn't happen as much? Sure, there is still racial violence, but now when it happens most Americans don't turn their backs and mumble that the N-- got what he deserved.

50 years ago, when, if a woman with children lost her husband, she and her family were pretty much screwed, because no one would give her a job, because a woman should stay in the home. Never mind that her children wouldn't be able to eat. Oh, yes, I can see that it's so much worse now: Women still don't have equality in the work place, but at least they're allowed to work so their children won't starve.

50 years ago, when shop owners could put signs in their windows that said "no chinese" or "no irish" or "no italians." Those were the "real americans" being proud of who they were, yes, so moral and united they were.

I was there, too. I have seen the social changes in this country. I agree that there are still problems today -- some of the same ones we faced 50 years ago, and some new ones. But my glasses are not nearly so rose-colored as yours. All-in-all, society is FAR more moral today than it was 50 years ago, and if you don't see it, you were part of the problem back then, and you're probably part of the problem now.

Got any crosses to burn in anyone's front yard, buddy? (Yes, I had a few of those to clean up, thank you.)

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

All-in-all, society is FAR more moral today than it was 50 years ago, and if you don't see it, you were part of the problem back then, and you're probably part of the problem now.

Oh really? And what planet are you on? I know I have seen the moral decay of our society with my own eyes. And to say it is far more moral today than 50 years ago are you sure you're not looking at it through rose colored glasses? While this country has come a long way to bring equality for most people, the moral decay of this country over the last 50 years would be evident to even a blind person.

Got any crosses to burn in anyone's front yard, buddy? (Yes, I had a few of those to clean up, thank you.)

This has got to be the most judgmental comment I have seen so far on this forum. Making a bold statement like this about someone you don't even know. Do you treat all elders in your church like this? Did not the Holy Spirit convict you before you clicked on the submit reply button to, judge not, that ye be not judged? (Matt 7:1)

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

Oh really?

Yes, really.

And what planet are you on?

Earth. Specifically, I'm in the US. I suppose it's possible that in other corners of this planet things have gotten worse, but it seemed to me the OP was talking about the US.

I know I have seen the moral decay of our society with my own eyes. And to say it is far more moral today than 50 years ago are you sure you're not looking at it through rose colored glasses?

Yes, and if you don't see the improvements, then you have the same problems that the OP had.

I may not have ever met you or the OP, but I have met your type. You think teenage pregnancy is on the rise. Well, you're wrong, and the statistics prove it. See this link that discusses how teenage pregnancy in the US was highest in the 50s and 60s, and has been declining since then.

You think violence is on the rise. Wrong again. In fact, violent crimes hit a 40-year low in 2010. Don't take my word for it. Look it up for yourself at the Bureau of Justice Statistics. BTW, this trend totally baffled the liberals, who like to say when the country is in recession, we have to throw money at the poor people so they don't rob the rich people. So much for that theory.

And your "blind person" can read that web page using software developed for those with visual impairments that have been developed and improved over the years. Oh, wait, that ruins your theory, too.

This has got to be the most judgmental comment I have seen so far on this forum.

It is another example of how much better things are today than they were 50 years ago. Great job missing the point. If you think it was better when men in white hoods could traumatize the families of non-white, non-protestant families, then you are part of the problem.

Did not the Holy Spirit convict you before you clicked on the submit reply button

The Holy Spirit convicted me to write the whole post. The Holy Spirit is tired of people like you trash-talking all the work HE has been doing over the last 50 years, and thinks it's past time for you to repent.

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

Yes, really.


Earth. Specifically, I'm in the US. I suppose it's possible that in other corners of this planet things have gotten worse, but it seemed to me the OP was talking about the US.


Yes, and if you don't see the improvements, then you have the same problems that the OP had.

I may not have ever met you or the OP, but I have met your type. You think teenage pregnancy is on the rise. Well, you're wrong, and the statistics prove it. See this link that discusses how teenage pregnancy in the US was highest in the 50s and 60s, and has been declining since then.

You think violence is on the rise. Wrong again. In fact, violent crimes hit a 40-year low in 2010. Don't take my word for it. Look it up for yourself at the Bureau of Justice Statistics. BTW, this trend totally baffled the liberals, who like to say when the country is in recession, we have to throw money at the poor people so they don't rob the rich people. So much for that theory.

And your "blind person" can read that web page using software developed for those with visual impairments that have been developed and improved over the years. Oh, wait, that ruins your theory, too.


It is another example of how much better things are today than they were 50 years ago. Great job missing the point. If you think it was better when men in white hoods could traumatize the families of non-white, non-protestant families, then you are part of the problem.


The Holy Spirit convicted me to write the whole post. The Holy Spirit is tired of people like you trash-talking all the work HE has been doing over the last 50 years, and thinks it's past time for you to repent.

Oh goodness, It is unbelievable when people like you can determine what I'm thinking. Are you a mind reader? 3 times in your post you said "you think." Sister you have no idea of my thoughts and the "you think" is actually your thoughts and not mine.

I have seen great advances in my lifetime that have benefitted many people. And there have been great changes that have brought equality to most men and women. I do not agree with some of the inequalities of yesterday that this country held but yet you seem to act like I endorse these things. There you go thinking you know what I'm thinking again. And just because you can show by statistics the decline of certain things does not in any way prove that the moral decline in the United States is not true. I guess when you posted the link on the statistics of teenage pregnancy you overlooked the statistics showing that 89% of the worlds porn comes from America. And you say, " All-in-all, society is FAR more moral today than it was 50 years ago," to which again I'll reply, "Oh really?"

You said, "The Holy Spirit convicted me to write the whole post. The Holy Spirit is tired of people like you trash-talking all the work HE has been doing over the last 50 years, and thinks it's past time for you to repent."
If I were you I'd be testing the spirit that was leading you for the Holy Spirit would not lead you into believing that you know what people are thinking or talking trash about people you know nothing about. Nothing about their life, their thoughts, or their relationship, faith, and love for Jesus Christ our Lord.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

Are you a mind reader? 3 times in your post you said "you think." {snip}
And just because you can show by statistics the decline of certain things does not in any way prove that the moral decline in the United States is not true.

Now see, to me that sentence just doesn't make sense. It's as if you had said "just because you can prove 2+2=4 doesn't mean that it is."

I have shown that bad things have decreased in the last 50 years, and good things have increased. To me, by definition, that contradicts any indication of a decline of morality.

Unless you think "morality" is bad. In which case, you would need to look up the word in the dictionary.

If morality had truly decreased over the last 50 years, the results would be that we would see an increase in crime, social ills, and a general downward spiral.

I pointed out that in fact, we have seen a decrease in those things. QED. 2+2=4. Simple logic.

You bring up porn, saying that 89% of the porn comes from the US. I will agree with you that that is sad. Porn is absolutely something that I would put in the "immoral" category.

Before you can point to that as an indicator of increased or decreased morality, let's look at the change of instances of porn in the US over the last 10, 20, or 50 years, and then compare that to the sources of that porn. For example, has internet porn increased at a rate significantly faster than general internet use? (I don't have any statistics one way or another, so I don't know. I do know that I don't get nearly as many emails advertising for smut that I did 5-10 years ago ... not sure whether that is due to a decrease in the stuff or just to better spam filters). Although you did not site a source for your statistic that 89% of porn comes from the US, I am willing to believe it. What year was that? Is that higher or lower than in 1962? See, if in 1962, 91% of porn came from the US, that would actually show a decrease in immorality, not an increase. If in 1962, American Porn accounted for 72% of the total world output, then you would start to have a case. Although you would also have to compare the relative populations of the US and other countries, and figure in the fact that Americans have a higher literacy rate and a higher per-capita income than a lot of other countries.

In other words, saying that porn is bad -- which is an absolutely true statement -- does not prove that immorality is on the rise. It only proves that it exists. I have no argument with you there. Immorality exists, as it has in the past. My argument is that things are less immoral -- more moral -- now than they were 50 years ago. And you have yet to provide 1 ounce of evidence to support your statement to the contrary, against significant supported sources that I have provided.

It is true that I know nothing of your life. The words that you have typed have revealed to me what you think. I am only going by what you have already stated. I am not leaping to any conclusions -- I'm just taking a tiny little step, and the conclusion is already there. And yes, this spirit that is leading me to those conclusions is Holy, I do test it every day, thank you.