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shroom2

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2knowhim said:
That's your understanding shroom,

not mine. Ask yourself one thing, how many times has He appeared
to those in scripture,
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Many

and then ask, is this still going on.

Your answer has to be yes.
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Yes, the Lord does still occasionally appear to people.

But that is not what Col 3:4 is talking about.

Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

When Christ returns, in the future, then we also shall appear with him in glory. We are not in our resurrected bodies yet. That will happen in the future.
 
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Laodicea

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2knowhim said:
Lao,

God's Word is Spirit, how can we understand His Word literal?
We can't pick and choose what is Spirit and what is not, just because
we don't understand.

We are the Temple of God are we not?
How can you in turn say that His Tabernacle is not with men?

And He is our God is He not?

And if you believe these things, how can you say that Rev. 21:3 has not
happened yet?
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As I said before the Bible says that God is with us, but can you show me anything symbolic in Rev 21?
 
2knowhim

2knowhim

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Oct 12, 2011
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Symbolic No,

It is literal language to describe Spiritual Realities.
IN Christ.
 
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Laodicea

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#44
2knowhim said:
Symbolic No,

It is literal language to describe Spiritual Realities.
IN Christ.
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So because it is literal then this has not happened yet
Revelation 21:1
(1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 God is with us but, we are not living with Him in the new earth yet
 
2knowhim

2knowhim

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Oct 12, 2011
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Lao,

If you believe that The Kingdom of God is Within you,
Is it so hard to comprehend that also, The New City is there?

Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Joh 14:20 At that day (what day? vs.above, the day He comes to you )ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Manifest:
em-fan-id'-zo
From G1717; to exhibit (in person) or disclose (by words): - appear, declare (plainly), inform, (will) manifest, shew, signify.

From a compound of G1722 and G5316; apparent in self: - manifest, openly.

Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

This word conversation is very interesting:
pol-it'-yoo-mah
From G4176; a community, that is, (abstractly) citizenship (figuratively): - conversation.

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

The changing of our vile body is really the only thing that I look forward to.
To once and for all get out of this earthly vessel. But even that we sow to now.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#46
Laodicea said:
As I said before the Bible says that God is with us, but can you show me anything symbolic in Rev 21?
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Your wasting your time.

She won't admit there is still a sea

She won;t admit we still have pain and suffering and tears.

She won't admit there is still death.

thus there is no need to continue. WHen someone is blind, only God can open their eyes.
 
2knowhim

2knowhim

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eternally-gratefull said:
Your wasting your time.

She won't admit there is still a sea
Of course there is a sea in the earth, but have you ever done a search on the word
"sea" and find out how it's used? Just off the top of my head, I know there are creeping
things in it , we are to have dominion over the things in it. Ah... What about the Red Sea, and the baptism under Moses, what about the Brazen Sea in the Tabernacle in the wilderness?
The Raging sea foaming out it's shame? Don't close your mind to the possibility, that
It just might be referring to something much more than what you see.

She won;t admit we still have pain and suffering and tears.
Of course I will, I have much pain in the flesh, and cry many tears.
But that does not mean that I focus on that. I focus on Him and the
things He has accomplished for us.

She won't admit there is still death.
Of course I will, but again why do you focus on these things so much?
When Christ came to give us Life, The things you want to talk about is
Death and pain, I ask you is this The Good News?

thus there is no need to continue. WHen someone is blind, only God can open their eyes.
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He has, and I see Him..... Life, Love, Light, All the things I never saw before.
I see all Saved and Redeemed, by The Blood of The Lamb. All things have become
New, Old things have passed away.

:)
 
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Israel

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#48
eternally-gratefull said:
1. There shall be no more pain. Do you have pain??
2. there shall be no more suffering. Do you know anyone who suffers.
3. there shall be no more death. Do you see death??
4. The earth will have no more seas. Have the oceans disappeared?

Still think rev 23 is talking about today??

Why do you ignore most of the passage?? And you think you have the right to yell at us who do not ignore the rest?? Who do you think you are??
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Beloved, again keep in mind that we always walk by faith, and not by sight. We can see death and what it does to you; to me. You can look all around you and SEE the consequences of being subjected to vanity. And in this state of our present reality, God indeed seems far from us all! We; please listen to me. We as a people are ALL tied to only ONE definite truth. We all know that we will die. We weren't taught this principle in a book, nor did man teach us this. IT IS EVIDENT BY WHAT IS SHOWN TO US!

Romans 7:24-25

24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

It is with the body that we serve the law of sin. And the end of all of these things is death. But my mind being transformed, serves a higher purpose. I see past death in faith that where He is, we may all be there as well. In my search for the faith of Jesus, I found myself to be a sinner as well. For as long as I'm in this body, the tabernacle of death still stands. But in my mind, this body is dead already and I live by the faith of God, waiting patiently for it's reality. Because it is EVIDENT by what is SEEN that to be home in the body is to be absent from the Lord. But by precious faith I am SEALED; my mind transformed in knowing that to be ABSENT from the body is to be present with the Lord.

We are to keep our minds on heavenly things; spiritual things. Jesus is not in the grave. When I die; if I am to be present with the Lord, am I to sit in the grave? He IS the resurrection! And if He's in heavenly places, all those in Christ are as well.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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2knowhim said:
Of course there is a sea in the earth, but have you ever done a search on the word
"sea" and find out how it's used? Just off the top of my head, I know there are creeping
things in it , we are to have dominion over the things in it. Ah... What about the Red Sea, and the baptism under Moses, what about the Brazen Sea in the Tabernacle in the wilderness?
The Raging sea foaming out it's shame? Don't close your mind to the possibility, that
It just might be referring to something much more than what you see.
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The greek word for "sea" here means body of water. The greek states these "bodies of water" no longer exist.

If they still exist. the prophesy has not been fulfilled.

Of course I will, I have much pain in the flesh, and cry many tears.
But that does not mean that I focus on that. I focus on Him and the
things He has accomplished for us.
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Again in the greek. the words mean "no longer exist" The word is Iemi, The same word our Lord used when he said before abraham was, I am ( I existed) If you still have pain. This prophesy has not been fulfilled. because pain still exists.
Of course I will, but again why do you focus on these things so much?
When Christ came to give us Life, The things you want to talk about is
Death and pain, I ask you is this The Good News?
He has, and I see Him..... Life, Love, Light, All the things I never saw before.
I see all Saved and Redeemed, by The Blood of The Lamb. All things have become
New, Old things have passed away.

:)
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Again, John used a greek word which states Death "no longer exists" I am not focusing on death I am focusing on what John said. He said they will "be no more" death. As long as there is death, This prophesy has not been fulfilled.

Yes, I am a new creature in Christ. Amen. But rev 23 is what I have to LOOK FORWARD TO, When all the pains and suffgerings of this world PASS AWAY (Are Destroyed) and these "consequences" of sin, which has been brought into the world no longer exist!

You should look forward to this day
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Israel said:
Beloved, again keep in mind that we always walk by faith, and not by sight. We can see death and what it does to you; to me. You can look all around you and SEE the consequences of being subjected to vanity. And in this state of our present reality, God indeed seems far from us all! We; please listen to me. We as a people are ALL tied to only ONE definite truth. We all know that we will die. We weren't taught this principle in a book, nor did man teach us this. IT IS EVIDENT BY WHAT IS SHOWN TO US!

Romans 7:24-25

24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

It is with the body that we serve the law of sin. And the end of all of these things is death. But my mind being transformed, serves a higher purpose. I see past death in faith that where He is, we may all be there as well. In my search for the faith of Jesus, I found myself to be a sinner as well. For as long as I'm in this body, the tabernacle of death still stands. But in my mind, this body is dead already and I live by the faith of God, waiting patiently for it's reality. Because it is EVIDENT by what is SEEN that to be home in the body is to be absent from the Lord. But by precious faith I am SEALED; my mind transformed in knowing that to be ABSENT from the body is to be present with the Lord.

We are to keep our minds on heavenly things; spiritual things. Jesus is not in the grave. When I die; if I am to be present with the Lord, am I to sit in the grave? He IS the resurrection! And if He's in heavenly places, all those in Christ are as well.
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Even far greater is the fact that after we die, there will be a time when these events of rev 23 come true. when God destroys all things which came about as a consequence of sin, and brings us to this place where there is no more suffering, no more death, our tears are wiped away, and all men on earth serve and praise God. because this new earth will only be habited by the children of God. those who rejected him have been cast to their eternal resting place. and this is our eternal resting place. AMEN!
 
TheRealTruth

TheRealTruth

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Aug 18, 2011
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Forest said:
We are living in the new Jerusalem which is his church also known as the kingdom of God, the bride, the remnant, the church of the first born, the little flock and more. Matt 16:28, there be some standing here which will not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his Kingdom.
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You really think this is the new Jerusalem? far from it.
 
TheRealTruth

TheRealTruth

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Aug 18, 2011
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The scattered of Israel is to rejoice in the new kingdom. But, "woe" unto all nations that have led Israel into captivity, for in new Jerusalem Israel shall do to them what was done unto them. Jesus shall show the nations no mercy. But the nations that served God, and boasted not against the natural branches as Romans commanded shall be saved from the misery.But very few of the other nations will be saved, for they know God yet their pride is exceeding towards the lost sheep. Woe be unto them for their end is death.
 
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