the scribes and pharisees had it easy !

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Jeff_56

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all they had to do was keep torah 'physically'. if they refrained from actually killing someone , then they weren't found guilty of killing them ! COOL!

and if they refrained from physical sexual adultery, then they weren't found guilty of adultery ! COOL!

poor poor christians !!! yahshua the savior came along and made it a LOT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM!

now, if christians just get angry wrongly with someone, they are already guilty of killing them ! OUCH!

now, if christians just look at a woman's leg, collar bone, neck or cleavage with lust, they're GUILTY! OUCH OUCH !!

yes sirree , christians have a lot stricter life to live than the scribes and pharisees did ---- the scribes and pharisees according to yahshua didn't have to have self-control in their thoughts and be subject to yahshua,
but the wanna ba followers of yahshua have to control their thoughts (and eyes) and hearts TOO !!!

not too many doing that, these days, or ever.

that's why yahshua said that few find life, but many are destroyed.
 
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Jeff_56 said:
all they had to do was keep torah 'physically'. if they refrained from actually killing someone , then they weren't found guilty of killing them ! COOL!

and if they refrained from physical sexual adultery, then they weren't found guilty of adultery ! COOL!

poor poor christians !!! yahshua the savior came along and made it a LOT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM!

now, if christians just get angry wrongly with someone, they are already guilty of killing them ! OUCH!

now, if christians just look at a woman's leg, collar bone, neck or cleavage with lust, they're GUILTY! OUCH OUCH !!

yes sirree , christians have a lot stricter life to live than the scribes and pharisees did ---- the scribes and pharisees according to yahshua didn't have to have self-control in their thoughts and be subject to yahshua,
but the wanna ba followers of yahshua have to control their thoughts (and eyes) and hearts TOO !!!

not too many doing that, these days, or ever.

that's why yahshua said that few find life, but many are destroyed.
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Something tells me a great many of the scribes and pharisees didn't find life either. Jesus' teachings on the Law were stricter in some respects while lenient in others. For example, he didn't place a big burden of regulations on how to observe the Sabbath, because he knew it was a day of rest. In fact, his reasoning for healing a person on the Sabbath was (I think) so that the person could truly rest on the Sabbath according to Law.

So, yes, Jesus was stricter in the form of obedience to the Law that he advocated, but strict adherence to the Law of God sometimes removes the pressure and duress resulting from the law of Man. God did, after all, give Israel his laws for Israel's own sake - not just because he wanted to see how many hoops the Jews could jump through.

In terms of receiving life through obedience to the Law (if that's the implication)? The version of the Gospel I heard was somewhat different. Although I do understand that faith is strongest in those whose walk with God is the closest.
 
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you're observation is right about the scribes and pharisees --- they had it easy, but they didn't enter in.
yahshua told
them that they had the keys to heaven , and would not enter in, and that they tried to prevent anyone from
finding
heaven. (like the rcc since 300 something, or earlier even; they refuse to enter into heaven, and do all they can to prevent others from finding out how to find heaven. one difference: the rcc NEVER had the keys)


your answer is mushy, not on bedrock.

for instance, why would you agree to keep 9 of the words of yahweh, and ignore 1 of his words ?

if you follow yahshua, you will do all that he says to do, and you will live as he does,

just like all the disciples who followed him did. remember, yahshua told his disciples about his

father, and about faith, and they did what the scribes and torah teachers claimed was unlawful to do

on the sabbath, but they still honored all of yahweh's words, every day, all the time.

yahshua's disciples honored the 7th day sabbath the exact same way yahshua did, and they did so for

at least 500 years publicly known. it wasn't until the antichrist changed the day of honoring/worship god to the 1st day
that it became 'wrong' to honor the 7th day. then the antichrist leaders , by law, killed those who honored

yahweh's word, and they killed those who disobeyed the pagan law to not work on the 1st day (they killed both
Jews and gentiles if they caught them working on the 1st day).
 
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Jeff_56 said:
for instance, why would you agree to keep 9 of the words of yahweh, and ignore 1 of his words ?

if you follow yahshua, you will do all that he says to do, and you will live as he does,

just like all the disciples who followed him did.
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Not per se. Certainly when one becomes a Christian they repent and their direction in life changes from being one toward sin and lust to being one obedience to God. But that doesn't mean a person is changed in an instant. Think of the thief on the cross. Was it necessary that in the moment of belief he be completely and immediately transformed, going from having lust or sinful desires to being completely perfect inside and out, in order to receive salvation?

Now I'm not advocating rejecting any word of God's. Certainly everyone should obey every word of God, and we should strive toward that end if we're not quite able to yet. But I don't believe salvation hinges on complete obedience.
 
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