Understanding God’s election

[Magenta]

Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.” Born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God. He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of His creation. If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. You are chosen to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. My soul will exult in my God, for He has clothed me with garments of salvation, and wrapped me in a robe of righteousness.

 

[Rufus]

And yet you insisted at first that a Christian cannot sin. You said -

"1 John 3:7-10
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
NIV

It is the ungodly world that is under the devil's power -- those who live under the control of the flesh, the world and their evil father; not Christ's Church! How long have you been an admirer of the devil? And notice that v. 8b is not in the future tense, as you claim by your earthly millennial kingdom nonsense. John did not teach that Christ will appear to destroy the devils' work -- but rather that He HAS APPEARED, i.e. his first advent!"

Now you seem to be back-tracking to Christians won't 'finally succumb to the devil's attacks into apostasy, but the devil will nevertheless be able to tempt and overcome Christians for a season.

It's sad that you cannot understand what the above passage is teaching. What part of "no one....will continue to sin" or "he cannot go on sinning" can't you unederstand? And what part of the unilateral NC promises can't you understand? For that matter, how come you unserstasnd so little of God's truth!?

 

[Rufus]

You've already butchered the discussion of the Remnant in a failed attempt to put the cart before the horse but look at Paul's application of it and then the Lost Sheep of Israel in the Gospels. Also, look at some of the Israelites awaiting Messiah and even the expectations of some of the Samaritans expecting Messiah. I'd also look at the Prophet sent once again to bring Israel to repentance and the problems created by the shepherds of Israel.

It would also be nice to see some attempt at explaining the why and the how and the timing of the Lord considering Paul's faithfulness to see if there's something there. It's interesting to track how the Lord sees things and note truths such as how He calls sinful King David a man after His own heart.

What in the world are you babbling about? What kind of dressing do you like on your word salads?

 

[Magenta]

What in the world are you babbling about? What kind of dressing do you like on your word salads?

Blameshifting, Crazy-making, Gaslighting, Intermittent Reinforcement, Pathological lying, Projection...

 

[Rufus]

Blameshifting, Crazy-making, Gaslighting, Intermittent Reinforcement, Pathological lying, Projection...

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I haven't seen that product on any grocery shelves yet, but I will Shirely keep my eyes peeled.

 

[Inquisitor]

Galatians 1:15-16
But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by His grace, was pleased to reveal
His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not rush to consult with flesh and blood,

Acts 20:24
But I consider my life of no value to me, if only I may finish my course and complete the ministry
I have received from the Lord Jesus—the ministry of testifying to the good news of God’s grace.

Ephesians 3:7
I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace, given me through the working of His power.

Colossians 1:25
I became its servant by the commission God gave me to fully proclaim to you the word of God,

1 Timothy 2:7
For this reason I was appointed as a preacher, an apostle, and a faithful and true
teacher of the Gentiles. I am telling the truth; I am not lying about anything.

Romans 15:16
to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so
that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is on Me, because the LORD has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He
has sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and freedom to the prisoners,

Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were
born I set you apart and appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

Oh, dear. The way some interpret Scripture, Paul was forced to believe.
The way some interpret Scripture, it was unfair of God.
The way some interpret Scripture, this means God is an unjust tyrannical monster kidnapping people against their will.

I would not use Paul as an example to support a theology.

Paul was a specific individual chosen for a specific duty.

Paul is identical to John the Baptist in that they are were both uniquely chosen for a given purpose.

Paul did not hear the gospel and respond.

Paul directly encountered Jesus on the road to Damascus.

One cannot extrapolate Paul's conversion and then say that every Gentile, will be chosen the same way.

The best way to understand divine election is the corporate election of Jews or Gentiles.

 

[studier]

What in the world are you babbling about? What kind of dressing do you like on your word salads?

Indicative of your inabilities in Scripture and argumentation. No surprises here.

 

[Rufus]

I would not use Paul as an example to support a theology.

Paul was a specific individual chosen for a specific duty.

Paul is identical to John the Baptist in that they are were both uniquely chosen for a given purpose.

Paul did not hear the gospel and respond.

Paul directly encountered Jesus on the road to Damascus.

One cannot extrapolate Paul's conversion and then say that every Gentile, will be chosen the same way.

The best way to understand divine election is the corporate election of Jews or Gentiles.

So, when Jesus said, "Many are called but few are chosen" -- you think he was saying many nations are called but few nations are chosen?

 

[Rufus]

Indicative of your inabilities in Scripture and argumentation. No surprises here.

I don't argue with pyscho-babbelers. Nothing personal.

 

[Inquisitor]

So, when Jesus said, "Many are called but few are chosen" -- you think he was saying many nations are called but few nations are chosen?

That's exactly what the text (Matthew 22) states; a corporate elction.

Israel was severed and the Gentile nations were invited to the wedding feast.

It may be hard for some to accept but that is what the text tells us.

 

[studier]

I don't argue with pyscho-babbelers. Nothing personal.

Good label for several basic Biblical Doctrines you don't understand. The effects of one basic erroneous presupposition. Coupled with the repetitive ad-hominem fallacy and the continuing disaster remains on display.

 

[Mem]

I guess you never read:

Phil 2:13
13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.?
ESV

It's not that I don't read. It's just that my reading comprehensive is on a different level in comparison to yours.

 

[PaulThomson]

It's sad that you cannot understand what the above passage is teaching. What part of "no one....will continue to sin" or "he cannot go on sinning" can't you unederstand? And what part of the unilateral NC promises can't you understand? For that matter, how come you unserstasnd so little of God's truth!?

You posted;

"1 John 3:7-10
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
NIV

It is the ungodly world that is under the devil's power -- those who live under the control of the flesh, the world and their evil father; not Christ's Church! "

But now you are saying that " 8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning," means he who keeps on doing what is sinful is of the devil. because the present tense can mean that. And this post hoc rationalisation serves to create a mot to replace you bailey.

But in another discussion you will use "No one does good" to assert that no one can ever do any good, and you will reject completely that "No one does good" could mean "no one keeps on doing good".

You are inconsistent in your insistence, only choosing whatever feeds your addiction to Calvinism.