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OldOrthodoxChristian

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PneumaPsucheSoma;603704 said:
"Persons" is anthropomorphically projected onto God with

Trinity. I simply state man is in God's image, and exegete scripture to support it. The

early fathers were brilliant, but relied on their previous Gnostic experiences to formulate

God as a triplicate of man's image.

And I'm not a part of any sectarian group. I was baptized in Christ. And it's not folly. This

is life eternal, to know the one true God and Jesus Christ whom He hath sent.
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When was the last time you even attended your church?

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Dear Pneumapsuchesoma: You are half-way there to the Truth about God; but only half

way, unfortunately. You reject the Filioque! Which is great/good! But you reject the

Trinity! Which is heresy/bad/heartless!

Even the Roman Catholics can reason correctly regarding the Filioque, before they raise

objections to the Truth. The following source from Thomas Aquinas' Summa

Theologica, Part 1, Issue 2, Second Article, See: Second Article, Objection 1,

Objection 2, Objection 3, and Objection 6, in particular.

God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

PS My whole walk with Christ depends upon when they drive me to Church. I am

waiting on Christ to send me someone who can take me to Church on Sundays.

PPS Faith in Christ is not compatible with "Oneness (Jesus only) baptism".

Matthew 28:19 does not contradict Acts 2:38, and Acts 2:38 does not contradict

Matthew 28:19.



 
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OldOrthodoxChristian

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PneumaPsucheSoma;603365 said:
Godhead doctrine most certainly is formulated. It is Trinity that makes God

into a triplicate xerox of man by asserting He is "persons". I simply clarify WE were made in HIS image as

spirit-soul-body. WE are like HIM; HE is not three of US.

I'm contradicting your fallacious INTERPRETATION of Matthew 16:18. Trinity was not given to the church.

The church, be decree of a secular emperor, was mandated to unify it's beliefs regarding whether Jesus

was created or uncreated.

And BTW in response to your "private interpretation" accusations, scripture says, "no private i

nterpretation of PROPHECY of scripture". I'm not privately interpreting PROPHECY, I'm correctly

exegeting scripture that was mishandled by the many ex-Gnostics who were prematurely forced to

declare their incomplete formulations as dogma. That dogma ping-ponged when Constantine's son

reinstalled Arians after his death, then reverted and led on to the Papacy/Filioque debacle of the Schism

in 1054. And much other corruption and error remained, in both the EOC and RCC.

And don't start with the Sola Scriptura accusations, either. Scripture is comprehensive but not exhaustive

for authority and doctrine. From there, it is the Holy Spirit that leads into all truth, not the church as you

define it.

Trinity is error. Filioque is heresy.
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Dear pneumapsuchesoma:

Trinity is not error. The Orthodox Church are not the only ones who believe and understand that fact.

Here is a truthful response to the false Oneness doctrine of Jesus Christ from someone outside the

Orthodox Church, but who also believes in the Trinity.

Oneness Pentecostals and the Trinity Author: Gregory A. Boyd book by Baker Book House, Grand

Rapids, MI, 1982

www.gregoryboyd.org/books/oneness-pentecostals-and-the-trinity/

God save us. Amen. In Erie Scott R. Harrington
 
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Dear pneumapsuchesoma:

Trinity is not error. The Orthodox Church are not the only ones who believe and understand that fact.

Here is a truthful response to the false Oneness doctrine of Jesus Christ from someone outside the

Orthodox Church, but who also believes in the Trinity.

Oneness Pentecostals and the Trinity Author: Gregory A. Boyd book by Baker Book House, Grand

Rapids, MI, 1982

www.gregoryboyd.org/books/oneness-pentecostals-and-the-trinity/

God save us. Amen. In Erie Scott R. Harrington
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Scott, why do you continue to insist I am Oneness, Jesus-Only, UPC, etc. when I've clarified for months I am not? You misunderstand and misrepresent me just as Trinity misunderstands and misrepresents God as three "persons".

Triune baptism is no-name baptism.

Quit waiting for a ride and ask for one. That's ridiculous.
 
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Scott, why do you continue to insist I am Oneness, Jesus-Only, UPC, etc. when I've clarified for months I am not? You misunderstand and misrepresent me just as Trinity misunderstands and misrepresents God as three "persons".

Triune baptism is no-name baptism.

Quit waiting for a ride and ask for one. That's ridiculous.
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Okay. So, maybe I am misunderstanding you. All I know is, you deny God is The Trinity. And that's where you make whatever error it is that you believe. Triune baptism is baptism in the name of Jesus, as Jesus Christ is the Son along with the Father and the Holy Spirit in Matthew 28:19. I am sorry if you don't believe that. I did ask for a ride. I'm waiting for them to call me. I wrote to them.
Maybe I'll have to call them.
Why do you say God is three men? That's not what Three Persons means. Angels are persons, too, and they are not men.
 
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Okay. So, maybe I am misunderstanding you. All I know is, you deny God is The Trinity. And that's where you make whatever error it is that you believe. Triune baptism is baptism in the name of Jesus, as Jesus Christ is the Son along with the Father and the Holy Spirit in Matthew 28:19. I am sorry if you don't believe that. I did ask for a ride. I'm waiting for them to call me. I wrote to them.
Maybe I'll have to call them.
Why do you say God is three men? That's not what Three Persons means. Angels are persons, too, and they are not men.
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Angels aren't persons, they're... angels.
 
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Says who, and on what grounds? Absurd. Any non-human application of "persons" is anthropomorphic.[

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So are you saying the absurd belief that persons don't have souls? Persons is not necessarily and of

necessity anthropomorphic. Because man is in God's image, and man is a person, God, too, must have a

personal nature. Its that simple!
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Says who, and on what grounds? Absurd. Any non-human application of "persons" is anthropomorphic.
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On what grounds do you say God is spirit soul body divided asunder, or whatever nonsense you were

saying? Where are those words in the Bible?
 
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PneumaPsucheSoma;604181 said:
Says who, and on what grounds? Absurd. Any non-human application of "persons" is anthropomorphic.[

/quote]

So are you saying the absurd belief that persons don't have souls? Persons is not necessarily and of

necessity anthropomorphic. Because man is in God's image, and man is a person, God, too, must have a

personal nature. Its that simple!
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If that is the case, you've made my point, including the bolded above. Man has AN immortal soul... singular. God has AN immortal soul. By contending that every being with an immortal soul is a "person", you've indicated that God is either a singular "person" or has multiple immortal souls by being multiple "persons".

Yet you'll decry this, refuse to understand the paradox, and continue in blind assent to Trinity doctrine. Yes, it's absurd.

YOU YOURSELF have indicated every being with an immortal soul is A "person". God is either a singular "person" or has multiple souls. You can't have it both ways.

So... How many "persons" is God, and how many immortal souls does He have? The same number must answer both questions.
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PneumaPsucheSoma;604479 said:
OldOrthodoxChristian said:
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If that is the case, you've made my point, including the bolded above. Man has AN immortal soul... singular. God has AN immortal soul. By contending that every being with an immortal soul is a "person", you've indicated that God is either a singular "person" or has multiple immortal souls by being multiple "persons".

Yet you'll decry this, refuse to understand the paradox, and continue in blind assent to Trinity doctrine. Yes, it's absurd.

YOU YOURSELF have indicated every being with an immortal soul is A "person". God is either a singular "person" or has multiple souls. You can't have it both ways.

So... How many "persons" is God, and how many immortal souls does He have? The same number must answer both questions.
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Dear Pneumapsuchesoma:

You're making the same fundamental mistake Jehovah's Witnesses do: rationalizing!

You're trying to figure out God. And to "understand" God in human terms.

And trying to dictate on your own terms what God can or cannot be.

You have to come in simple faith like a child if you're going to find out out Who God is.

Matthew 28:19 says "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit".

The Athanasian Creed in its Orthodox form says the Truth.
The whole Creed is correct, except for its western form with the Filioque.
The Orthodox part should read, "The Holy Spirit is of the Father, neither begotten, nor made, but proceeding" (If I remember this right).
You need to understand that all true theology is apophatic. We can with our reason understand little about God. We must go as far as reason can go, but not trust in our own reason and understanding.
We must come in childlike faith, and put away pride.
You have blind assent to reason, and are trying to rationalize about God.
The Trinity is a Mystery. And what God is in His Nature/Essence cannot be understood by finite, mortal men.
God bless you.
Scott
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OldOrthodoxChristian said:
PneumaPsucheSoma;604479 said:
Dear Pneumapsuchesoma:

You're making the same fundamental mistake Jehovah's Witnesses do: rationalizing!

You're trying to figure out God. And to "understand" God in human terms.

And trying to dictate on your own terms what God can or cannot be.

You have to come in simple faith like a child if you're going to find out out Who God is.

Matthew 28:19 says "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit".

The Athanasian Creed in its Orthodox form says the Truth.
The whole Creed is correct, except for its western form with the Filioque.
The Orthodox part should read, "The Holy Spirit is of the Father, neither begotten, nor made, but proceeding" (If I remember this right).
You need to understand that all true theology is apophatic. We can with our reason understand little about God. We must go as far as reason can go, but not trust in our own reason and understanding.
We must come in childlike faith, and put away pride.
You have blind assent to reason, and are trying to rationalize about God.
The Trinity is a Mystery. And what God is in His Nature/Essence cannot be understood by finite, mortal men.
God bless you.
Scott
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Oh... I see. It's okay for a bunch of ex-Gnostic convert Bishops to sit around and hash out every imaginable rationalization of 3 centuries of diverse speculation at a series of Councils prompted by a carnal Emporer and have a rationalized formulation of Trinity; but nobody else can engage their brain or be individually led by the Spirit to determine HOW Jesus is God.

What a load of horse puckey. The EOC rationalized to get Trinity, and has declared nobody else can ever do so. Good grief.
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PneumaPsucheSoma;604480 said:
Ummm... Scott? I've posted a copious detailed exegesis like 5 times. Stop being

obtuse.
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No. What you supposedly exegeted was eisogesis, not exegesis.

It (your supposed "exegesis") isn't in the Church Fathers. You're following private opinion.


The Church Fathers (the earliest of them), knew the Apostles. So they would know how to exegete


Scriptures better than either of us.

God bless you. In Erie Scott
 
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OldOrthodoxChristian said:
Oh... I see. It's okay for a bunch of ex-Gnostic convert Bishops to sit around and hash out every

imaginable rationalization of 3 centuries of diverse speculation at a series of Councils prompted by a

carnal Emporer and have a rationalized formulation of Trinity; but nobody else can engage their brain or

be individually led by the Spirit to determine HOW Jesus is God.

What a load of horse puckey. The EOC rationalized to get Trinity, and has declared nobody else can ever

do so. Good grief.
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Dear friend:

The EOC does not rationalize. No rationalization in Eastern Orthodoxy. All of your words above are false

and prejudicial. You simply don't see. And you simply don't know the truth about Church history.

The Holy Spirit worked at least seven times in 7 ecumenical councils from Nicea in 325 AD to Nicea in 787

AD. God bless you. In Erie Scott

PS When someone starts swearing, I know they don't have the truth. Anytime I have sweared, I was

in error, and not being honest about something.
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OldOrthodoxChristian said:
PneumaPsucheSoma;604564 said:
Dear friend:

The EOC does not rationalize. No rationalization in Eastern Orthodoxy. All of your words above are false

and prejudicial. You simply don't see. And you simply don't know the truth about Church history.

The Holy Spirit worked at least seven times in 7 ecumenical councils from Nicea in 325 AD to Nicea in 787

AD. God bless you. In Erie Scott

PS When someone starts swearing, I know they don't have the truth. Anytime I have sweared, I was

in error, and not being honest about something.
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ROFLOL. So which do you consider swearing... horse puckey or goodgrief? How utterly rudonkalus.
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horse puckey. My goodness are you speaking of dung? Is that word in the Bible? LOL--Mark--
 
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