US-NATO "humanitarian" military campaign against Syria

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RachelBibleStudent

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edward99 said:
God decided that in 70Ad. Who are YOU to deny that judgment?



Says you and Alan Dershowitz.
Since when where unbelieving jews (Talmudic converts or not) allowed back to Jerusalem?
Is the Promise dirt? Or is it Christ?



UGH.
There's no end to your duplicity.
There's hope then that you might become a self-loathing American Imperialist doing the bidding of AIPAC.



All garbage.
The Nation of Israel has a ONE STATE solution, with equal rights for all, or it is doomed.

(which it is...haven't you read? It is written).

Before I place your username on ignore, tell me: what great Civil Liberties organization is behind the removal of Christianity from this once Christ honoring nation? The same one that shills for Israel, who says Israel is for WHITE JEWS ONLY?

Enough with you.
Away.
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God did not decide in AD 70 that the jews were not allowed to have their own sovereign state...do you even bother studying history?

the biblical land of israel came under roman control in 63 BC...so the jews' sovereignty was already limited decades -before- christ came... even after AD 70 the 'king of the jews' agrippa ii was governing the jewish provinces on behalf of rome just as he had been before the revolt...and the jews were still allowed in jerusalem...

jews were not banished from jerusalem until after the bar kokhba revolt in AD 136...and even then some jews were still allowed to remain in judea...jewish refugees flocked to galilee which was still a part of the original biblical israel...and jews who had been sold into slavery were bought back by their people... it should also be said that after the jews were banished from jerusalem the emperor replaced the jewish temple ruins with a temple to the pagan god jupiter...the emperor had the hebrew scriptures ceremonially burned on the temple mount...and jewish christians were also banished from jerusalem...so calling this roman victory that turned out to be so profoundly opposed to the true religion an 'act of God' is a stretch...

jews were allowed back into jerusalem in 438 by decree of the christian empress eudoxia...

in conclusion this whole notion that the jews were eternally banished from the biblical land of israel by the hand of God is based on faulty history...not to mention faulty biblical interpretation...

instead the significance of what happened in AD 70 is spiritual...not geopolitical... the destruction of the temple symbolized God's judgment of a general severance of the unbelieving jewish people from the tree of the abrahamic covenant... the jewish people became just like any other people in the secular world...and jerusalem became a secular city...

in God's eyes the biblical land of israel became a geographical region just like any other region in the secular world...no longer promised to anyone...and available to any secular power that wishes to control it...including the romans and the byzantines and the muslims and the crusaders and the british and even the formerly chosen people known as the jews...

the jewish people are like all the other peoples in the secular world now...that is they are neighbors that we are commanded to love...

as far as God is concerned the modern state of israel is just a secular state controlling the old biblical land formerly called the promised land...and as christians we are supposed to treat it like any other secular state...not discriminating against it...standing with the state of israel when it does the right thing...and opposing its actions when it does something wrong...

there is nothing in the bible that says that the modern state of israel is doomed...except in the sense that the whole secular world will be brought under the authority of christ when he returns...
 
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Ritter

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I blame everything on Richard Nixon and ODESSA. That goes without exception.
 
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edward99

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Syria’s Crumbling Pluralism

DAMASCUS — The day begins here with the call to prayer and ends with the roar of gunfire. Syria’s pluralistic society, which once rose above sectarian identity in a region often characterized by a homicidal assertion of religious belief, is now faced with civil disintegration and ethnic cleansing.


Military Analysis: Syrian Leader’s Arms Under Strain as Conflict Continues (August 3, 2012)

In Bab Touma, the Christian quarter of the old city, the magnificently restored Ottoman mansions housing many of the hotels that only two years ago overflowed with Western tourists have become temporary sanctuaries for Syrian minorities fleeing their homes and cities.

A Christian doctor of Palestinian origin huddling with his family of four in a small room in one of the hotels was looking for a way out of the country: “My father came to Syria as a refugee,” he told me. “I made it my home. Now I am having to uproot my two young sons.”

His home, in Midan in southern Damascus, came under attack during an intense battle last week between the opposition Free Syrian Army and government forces. Midan is now officially a safe area, but hardly anyone believes that peace will endure.

Syria’s 2.3 million Christians, constituting about 10 percent of the country’s population, have generally known a more privileged existence under the Assad dynasty than even the Shiite Alawi sect to which President Bashar al-Assad belongs. Yet their allegiance to Assad was never absolute. Some Christians openly clamored for political change in the early months of the anti-government uprising. But as the rebellion became suffused with Sunni militants sympathetic to or affiliated with Al Qaeda, Christians recoiled.

A churchgoing Syrian told me that he used to see himself primarily as “Syrian” and that religious identity, in political terms, was an idea that never occurred to him — until an opposition gang attacked his family earlier this year in Homs. “It’s a label they pinned on us,” he said. “If their revolution is for everyone, as they keep insisting it is, why are Christians being targeted? It is because what they are waging is not a struggle for freedom, and it’s certainly not for everyone.”

As Saudi Arabian arms and money bolster the opposition, the 80,000 Christians who’ve been “cleansed” from their homes in Hamidiya and Bustan al-Diwan in Homs Province in March by the Free Syrian Army have gradually given up the prospect of ever returning home.

The rebels’ conduct has prompted at least some Sunnis who had supported the rebels and once-wavering Syrians to pledge renewed loyalty to Assad. Many who once regarded the regime as a kleptocracy now view it as the best guarantor of Syria’s endangered pluralism.

A Sunni shopkeeper in the impoverished suburb of Set Zaynab, which was partly destroyed in the clashes last week, no longer supports the rebellion. “I wanted Assad to go because he is corrupt,” he said. “But what happened here, what they did, it scared me. It made me angry. I cannot support the murder of my neighbors in the name of change. You cannot bring democracy by killing innocent people or by burning the shrines of Shiites. Syrians don’t do that. This is the work of the Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia,” he added, referring to the ultra conservative Sunni sect.

Repeated attempts by Free Syrian Army fighters to destroy a shrine to Sayyida Zeinab, the granddaughter of the Prophet Muhammad revered by Shiites, have not yet caused the area’s Sunni minority to flee — many Shiites here have refused to blame their Sunni neighbors for the rebels’ crimes.

Over the past week, more than a dozen Syrians — chiefly Alawi and Christian, but also a handful of Sunnis — affirmed to me their determination to pick up arms to defend Assad.

The seeming indifference of the international community to the worsening condition of Syria’s religious minorities — and the near total absence of censure of the opposition forces by the Western governments arrayed against Assad — is breeding a bitter anti-Americanism among many secular Syrians who see the United States aligning itself with Saudi Arabia, the fount of Wahhabism, against the Arab world’s most resolutely secular state.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/04/opinion/syrias-crumbling-pluralism.html?_r=2


 
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edward99

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Why Is the U.S. Government Funding Islamic Terrorists Who Are Killing Christians?
Posted on August 3, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog

Government Policy Leading to Persecution of Christians

Most Americans are Christians.

But few know that the acts of our American government are leading to the persecution of Christians in numerous countries.

According to the Vatican’s official news service – Fides - and many other Christian news sources, the Syrian opposition is targeting Christians. Priests and bishops on the ground in Syria confirm these reports...

Why Is the U.S. Government Funding Islamic Terrorists Who Are Killing Christians? - Washington's Blog
 
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edward99

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As the Syrian priest notes:

In Iraq, after the fall of Saddam Hussein, western allies admitted that they had no postwar plan and many have paid the price for this – especially the Iraqi minorities; since Saddam fell, hundreds of thousands of Christians as well as Muslims have fled Iraq in the face of sectarian violence and terrorism. Now, people are calling for a regime change in Syria without a clear plan for what should happen next. Should the minorities pay the same price in Syria?

BBC points out:

A rise in attacks on Christians after the US-led invasion in 2003 led to up to half the Christian population leaving, although there are no official statistics.

The Guardian reports:

In 2003 … the number of Chaldeans, the Christian Iraqis, was between 800,000 and 1.4 million. In 2009-2010, it was estimated are between 400,000 and 500,000, and rapidly decreasing. Cairo’s violent repression shows a similar process is under way in Egypt as well, where they still represent roughly 10% of the population.

Similarly, Christians were protected – or at least tolerated – by Libya’s secular leader Gaddaffi. A Roman Catholic priest told Christian News Service:

Under Gaddafi, we’ve been protected.

And Christianity is an officially-recognized and protected religion in Iran.

BBC points out:

Iran’s traditional Christian populations are recognised in the constitution, guaranteed freedom to worship and allocated seats in the parliament ….

But the U.S. government is supporting – with money, arms, and logistical support– Al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups in a number of nations.

The U.S. is:

Supporting Al Qaeda and other terrorists in Syria
Funding terrorist groups in Iran
Supporting Al Qaeda terrorists in Libya (and here)

Why Is the U.S. Government Funding Islamic Terrorists Who Are Killing Christians? - Washington's Blog


Anybody recognize a pattern?
 
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meecha

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Re: CBS: Syria's Christians stand by Assad

RachelBibleStudent said:
i thought christians were supposed to put their trust in God for protection...

christians in the middle east have been putting their trust in human dictators instead...and the results have been predictable...they have been sold into the hands of their enemies...

judges 10:14..."But you have forsaken me and served other gods, so I will no longer save you. Go and cry out to the gods you have chosen. Let them save you when you are in trouble!"

you could replace 'other gods' in this passage with 'dictators' and you would get a perfect description of what is happening with christians in the middle east today...
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oh dear ...edward99 has provided with you with a wealth of evidence that all is not how the US media wants you to think it is. Wake up and smell the doo doo
 
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edward99

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Re: CBS: Syria's Christians stand by Assad

meecha said:
oh dear ...edward99 has provided with you with a wealth of evidence that all is not how the US media wants you to think it is. Wake up and smell the doo doo
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I should think we wouldn't want to waste much more time getting up to speed, meecha - the way things are going it could all "change" overnight (and some won't know hit them).

There's a direct correlation between premillennial dispensationalism/sensationalism (fables) and the passive-aggressive Christianity we find ourselves in here in the west.

We very literally and clearly have been deceived into pouring everything we have into a false, atrophied belief system which provides a thin covering for a brutal fascist world-wide take-over. Most of us should know it's coming, but we have been tricked into looking in exactly the wrong place for it.

Our Christianity is in idolatry ('Rome' is just the theatrical player we've been encouraged to stare at - "purple and scarlet-color etc").

The "7-year peace treaty" fiasco is a red flag that we have believed an ingenious counterfeit.
 
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