View on end times

[Believer08]

I heard an apologist say “I don't take a hard view on eschatology. There are different views of eschatology. People that are smarter than me that know the original language and they're conservative Christians, and they come to different views on how this whole thing's going to end, and so I don't take a firm position on any of it. I do know that we win in the end so that's what I'm excited about.”

He also said “there are people that I know who are way smarter than me and they know the original languages and they come to different conclusions on the end times. We all agree that Christ is coming back. When is he coming back— how is he coming back—theologians disagree over that. I have my opinions, but I don't hold them firmly because there are different views on it from very reputable people that are smarter than me, okay. I will say this though, I think it's meant to be ambiguous to a certain extent. It’s only after that you see what happened to Jesus do you realize “oh, all that stuff in the Old Testament now makes sense. Now I see how Micah 5.2 fits into the Messiah. Now I see how Isaiah 53 and Daniel 9 and other passages in the Old Testament fit together. Why? Because you have the box top of the New Testament. The New Testament is the box top to Old Testament prophecy. Like, when you're putting a puzzle together, you know you get the box top, you can see how the pieces fit together. The New Testament gives you that box top you don't have the box top when you're living in Old Testament times…”

Thoughts?

 

[gb9]

^ no man knows the day or the hour.

 

[Me_Clay]

I heard an apologist say “I don't take a hard view on eschatology. There are different views of eschatology. People that are smarter than me that know the original language and they're conservative Christians, and they come to different views on how this whole thing's going to end, and so I don't take a firm position on any of it. I do know that we win in the end so that's what I'm excited about.”

He also said “there are people that I know who are way smarter than me and they know the original languages and they come to different conclusions on the end times. We all agree that Christ is coming back. When is he coming back— how is he coming back—theologians disagree over that. I have my opinions, but I don't hold them firmly because there are different views on it from very reputable people that are smarter than me, okay. I will say this though, I think it's meant to be ambiguous to a certain extent. It’s only after that you see what happened to Jesus do you realize “oh, all that stuff in the Old Testament now makes sense. Now I see how Micah 5.2 fits into the Messiah. Now I see how Isaiah 53 and Daniel 9 and other passages in the Old Testament fit together. Why? Because you have the box top of the New Testament. The New Testament is the box top to Old Testament prophecy. Like, when you're putting a puzzle together, you know you get the box top, you can see how the pieces fit together. The New Testament gives you that box top you don't have the box top when you're living in Old Testament times…”

Thoughts?

What's your question?

 

[Believer08]

What's your question?

I asked it at the bottom of the post.

 

[tablet123]

Before the Lord's return.

Nations coming together to work for peace on earth.

Antichrist negotiating peace in the Middle East resulting in a 7 years peace treaty that impacts the world for they are divided choosing sides.

All Hebrews will go to Israel for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen.

The antichrist pushing the agenda of the new age to prepare the world for when he claims to be God.

The world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section.

Democrats want illegals running in to America so the solution is to merge America and Mexico, and Trump wanting Canada to be 51st state.

But Canada is in on the plan but they have to make it look like there is resistance.

Pope and Vatican given over to the new age interpretation of the Bible but it was planned out.

The stopping of the Gospel of Christ and of a personal God in favor of the new age interpretation of religions saying that it is not the truth and they want peace, and harmony.

Because of the not preaching a personal God and the new age beliefs it sparks a war between Islam and the world for they feel hindered from preaching and extending their religion which nuclear weapons are dropped on the Arab nations which 3 sections of the world is plucked up by the roots.

Moving people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people are the police force.

The Islam and world war causes the world to accept the antichrist as the solution for peace which he claims to be God and does not regard any god and the false prophet will cause people to get an implanted microchip to further deter crime.

When the world takes the chip the mark of the beast the fulness of the Gentiles have come in.

God will send Israel 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

The antichrist makes war against all people who oppose his system who will be Christians for there is no in between for the people who did not love the truth were given strong delusion that they should believe a lie.

Israel as a nation is in the truth.

Then Jesus comes back and resurrects the saints.

The wrath of God is poured upon earth.

Jesus comes back with the saints and defeats the world and saves Israel.

Satan is bound.

Jesus and the saints rule the earth over the heathen that God spared at the battle of Armageddon.

Which they have to go up year after year to worship Jesus and keep the feast of tabernacles.

Satan is loosed and deceives the heathen and they go against the saints and God rains fire down on them and devours them.

The dead are risen to be judged and those who did not measure up to salvation will be thrown into the lake of fire and death and hell are cast in there which hell is in the lower parts of the earth, and the earth is burned up and the works of it, and the heavens melt with fervent because they are both tainted with sin and all sin must be purged with fire.

The saints shall go to a new earth the New Jerusalem, and a new heaven, where sin has never been and sin will never be, and the saints and angels will remember nothing prior to that.

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

For people that believe the resurrection will happen before the 7 years or in the middle when the resurrection happens it is the end.

Which means the heathen do not continue anymore and Jesus puts the world down.

That is why it cannot happen before the 7 years or in the middle because the heathen continue.

 

[Believer08]

Before the Lord's return.

Nations coming together to work for peace on earth.

Antichrist negotiating peace in the Middle East resulting in a 7 years peace treaty that impacts the world for they are divided choosing sides.

All Hebrews will go to Israel for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen.

The antichrist pushing the agenda of the new age to prepare the world for when he claims to be God.

The world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section.

Democrats want illegals running in to America so the solution is to merge America and Mexico, and Trump wanting Canada to be 51st state.

But Canada is in on the plan but they have to make it look like there is resistance.

Pope and Vatican given over to the new age interpretation of the Bible but it was planned out.

The stopping of the Gospel of Christ and of a personal God in favor of the new age interpretation of religions saying that it is not the truth and they want peace, and harmony.

Because of the not preaching a personal God and the new age beliefs it sparks a war between Islam and the world for they feel hindered from preaching and extending their religion which nuclear weapons are dropped on the Arab nations which 3 sections of the world is plucked up by the roots.

Moving people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people are the police force.

The Islam and world war causes the world to accept the antichrist as the solution for peace which he claims to be God and does not regard any god and the false prophet will cause people to get an implanted microchip to further deter crime.

When the world takes the chip the mark of the beast the fulness of the Gentiles have come in.

God will send Israel 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

The antichrist makes war against all people who oppose his system who will be Christians for there is no in between for the people who did not love the truth were given strong delusion that they should believe a lie.

Israel as a nation is in the truth.

Then Jesus comes back and resurrects the saints.

The wrath of God is poured upon earth.

Jesus comes back with the saints and defeats the world and saves Israel.

Satan is bound.

Jesus and the saints rule the earth over the heathen that God spared at the battle of Armageddon.

Which they have to go up year after year to worship Jesus and keep the feast of tabernacles.

Satan is loosed and deceives the heathen and they go against the saints and God rains fire down on them and devours them.

The dead are risen to be judged and those who did not measure up to salvation will be thrown into the lake of fire and death and hell are cast in there which hell is in the lower parts of the earth, and the earth is burned up and the works of it, and the heavens melt with fervent because they are both tainted with sin and all sin must be purged with fire.

The saints shall go to a new earth the New Jerusalem, and a new heaven, where sin has never been and sin will never be, and the saints and angels will remember nothing prior to that.

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

For people that believe the resurrection will happen before the 7 years or in the middle when the resurrection happens it is the end.

Which means the heathen do not continue anymore and Jesus puts the world down.

That is why it cannot happen before the 7 years or in the middle because the heathen continue.

I’m glad you have it all figured out….

As for me…I try to keep it on the essentials…

Here's my view of the end times. Jesus is going to return (Acts 1:11). He's going to judge the quick/living and the dead and the world in righteousness (Acts 10:42; 2 Tim. 4:1; 1 Peter 4:5; Acts 17:31). The saved will go to be with Him in eternity (1 Thess. 4:16-17; Jn. 14:2-3). And the lost, sadly, will not (Mt. 25:46; Rev. 20:15). The world is going to be burned up and destroyed when He returns (2 Peter 3:10-12). That's my belief on the end times.

 

[timf]

I don't hold them firmly

This is an important and useful point. As we learn and grow in faith, we are presented with many assertions. A healthy skepticism can allow us to move one idea closer to acceptance or further away as we gain new information.

1Th_5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

 

[Me_Clay]

I asked it at the bottom of the post.

Church Age now, Jesus is searching for the last sheep, the end times is not so soon. The Church is still on the earth, the tribulation has not begun...

 

[Psalm1]

I’m glad you have it all figured out….

As for me…I try to keep it on the essentials…

Here's my view of the end times. Jesus is going to return (Acts 1:11). He's going to judge the quick/living and the dead and the world in righteousness (Acts 10:42; 2 Tim. 4:1; 1 Peter 4:5; Acts 17:31). The saved will go to be with Him in eternity (1 Thess. 4:16-17; Jn. 14:2-3). And the lost, sadly, will not (Mt. 25:46; Rev. 20:15). The world is going to be burned up and destroyed when He returns (2 Peter 3:10-12). That's my belief on the end times.

Jesus along with the bible depicted 3 future comings
The one in acts1 depicts vividly the pretrib rapture.
Rev 14 depicts vividly the Jewish 2 part gathering prophesied in romans 9-11.
Rev 19 depicts the coming in glory and power after the gt.

Only after the trib does he return to earth.
The other 2 are gatherings in the air.
Mat 24 depicts 2 of the comings.
Rev 14 is the Jewish gathering mid trib (pre wrathh)

 

[Psalm1]

Before the Lord's return.

Nations coming together to work for peace on earth.

Antichrist negotiating peace in the Middle East resulting in a 7 years peace treaty that impacts the world for they are divided choosing sides.

All Hebrews will go to Israel for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen.

The antichrist pushing the agenda of the new age to prepare the world for when he claims to be God.

The world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section.

Democrats want illegals running in to America so the solution is to merge America and Mexico, and Trump wanting Canada to be 51st state.

But Canada is in on the plan but they have to make it look like there is resistance.

Pope and Vatican given over to the new age interpretation of the Bible but it was planned out.

The stopping of the Gospel of Christ and of a personal God in favor of the new age interpretation of religions saying that it is not the truth and they want peace, and harmony.

Because of the not preaching a personal God and the new age beliefs it sparks a war between Islam and the world for they feel hindered from preaching and extending their religion which nuclear weapons are dropped on the Arab nations which 3 sections of the world is plucked up by the roots.

Moving people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people are the police force.

The Islam and world war causes the world to accept the antichrist as the solution for peace which he claims to be God and does not regard any god and the false prophet will cause people to get an implanted microchip to further deter crime.

When the world takes the chip the mark of the beast the fulness of the Gentiles have come in.

God will send Israel 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

The antichrist makes war against all people who oppose his system who will be Christians for there is no in between for the people who did not love the truth were given strong delusion that they should believe a lie.

Israel as a nation is in the truth.

Then Jesus comes back and resurrects the saints.

The wrath of God is poured upon earth.

Jesus comes back with the saints and defeats the world and saves Israel.

Satan is bound.

Jesus and the saints rule the earth over the heathen that God spared at the battle of Armageddon.

Which they have to go up year after year to worship Jesus and keep the feast of tabernacles.

Satan is loosed and deceives the heathen and they go against the saints and God rains fire down on them and devours them.

The dead are risen to be judged and those who did not measure up to salvation will be thrown into the lake of fire and death and hell are cast in there which hell is in the lower parts of the earth, and the earth is burned up and the works of it, and the heavens melt with fervent because they are both tainted with sin and all sin must be purged with fire.

The saints shall go to a new earth the New Jerusalem, and a new heaven, where sin has never been and sin will never be, and the saints and angels will remember nothing prior to that.

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

For people that believe the resurrection will happen before the 7 years or in the middle when the resurrection happens it is the end.

Which means the heathen do not continue anymore and Jesus puts the world down.

That is why it cannot happen before the 7 years or in the middle because the heathen continue.

The AC kills all refusing the mark. No believer is alive during 90% of the trib. They refuse the mark and get martyred. They are the ones that missed the rapture as Jesus depicted and had to wash their dirty robes .
They appear early on in the trib as the innumerable number with cleaned up robes In heaven.
No such thing as a rapture in any context except pretrib.

 

[God-fearing]

From Genesis to Malachi........He's coming
From Matthew to John..........He's here
From Acts to Revelation.......He's coming again.

My belief is that all prophecy will be fulfilled physically and literally on this earth before it passes away.
Some contend that there are spiritual events that have already been fulfilled in the time of Jesus first coming with strong arguments which suggest a completion of the prophecy. I disagree with this by what the prophet Isaiah said ....that the days of Jesus was cut short
Pointing to the crucifixion.
The gospels and the book of Acts describes such events that are done spiritually but not made manifest physically and literally.
Which is my reason to agree to disagree.
Jesus first advent was to make possible for his second coming righteous..... A way of escape. Fulfilling the words of the prophets.
John clearly told us his mission .....as the Lamb of God to take away the sins of the world.
Jesus came physically and literally....God in the flesh......He rose physically and literally. How can a word become flesh? But it did.
How can a Spirit (God) become flesh? But it happened. This is why my conclusion is all prophecy to follow suit at its appointed time.