Daniel 12 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt
Rev. 20 4I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
First, how do you reconcile the old testament understanding of death with the NT? Were the prophets lying or misinformed?
Psalms 13:3 David said that death was a sleep, Eccl 9:5 says "the dead know nothing" only a couple of times in the old testament does anyone say, someone went to heaven, obviously those who did, Enoch and elisha did something so odd it was worth mentioning, and Moses too, although he died, then G-d raised him. Why would this be documented if it is the normal process?
And what about all the old testament people that died before Jesus came to fulfill his mission...did they go to heaven or hell ( if it is a physical place such as the grave) and if Jesus had failed his mission, G-d just kicks them out? Paul was a former member of the Sanhedrian. They believed in the actual death of the body and resurrection of the individual at the coming of G-d. That is why they are buried at the sheep gate.
Based then on the core belief of resurrection and Paul being a devout follower of the TORAH He obviously was telling people that death is like sleep unconsiousness one minute and the next thing he will see is G-d's face and no consiousness of the passage of time. Consider, if you will, how quickly the nightly hours pass when you are sleeping and wake in the morning....
Re: the thief on the cross, it is a well documented fact that the thief did not die that day but had his legs broken so as not to desecrate the Sabbath... The soldiers were surprised that Jesus died so quickly. Jesus himself said to Mary two days later " do not touch me as I have not yet ascended to my Father.`
Why is it a problem for the (I mean Phariasees, as the Saddaccees did not believe in resurrection at all) translation" I say unto you today, Thou shalt be with me in paradise. This reconciles with the view of the Jews (death and later reward) the prophets looking toward future reward, and today when we use the phrase passed on we really mean dead.
People cannot discuss the new testament without reconciling it with the old. Jesus himself quoted it because the new hadn't been written yet. It is like watching the last part of a movie without seeing the first...causes a lot of speculation but no real truth because they are assuming .... We will not know the true story unless we rent the movie and watch it. then we will be able to give a valid opinion.
Thanks to charisenexcelcis for your council and studying with me
Rev. 20 4I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
First, how do you reconcile the old testament understanding of death with the NT? Were the prophets lying or misinformed?
Psalms 13:3 David said that death was a sleep, Eccl 9:5 says "the dead know nothing" only a couple of times in the old testament does anyone say, someone went to heaven, obviously those who did, Enoch and elisha did something so odd it was worth mentioning, and Moses too, although he died, then G-d raised him. Why would this be documented if it is the normal process?
And what about all the old testament people that died before Jesus came to fulfill his mission...did they go to heaven or hell ( if it is a physical place such as the grave) and if Jesus had failed his mission, G-d just kicks them out? Paul was a former member of the Sanhedrian. They believed in the actual death of the body and resurrection of the individual at the coming of G-d. That is why they are buried at the sheep gate.
Based then on the core belief of resurrection and Paul being a devout follower of the TORAH He obviously was telling people that death is like sleep unconsiousness one minute and the next thing he will see is G-d's face and no consiousness of the passage of time. Consider, if you will, how quickly the nightly hours pass when you are sleeping and wake in the morning....
Re: the thief on the cross, it is a well documented fact that the thief did not die that day but had his legs broken so as not to desecrate the Sabbath... The soldiers were surprised that Jesus died so quickly. Jesus himself said to Mary two days later " do not touch me as I have not yet ascended to my Father.`
Why is it a problem for the (I mean Phariasees, as the Saddaccees did not believe in resurrection at all) translation" I say unto you today, Thou shalt be with me in paradise. This reconciles with the view of the Jews (death and later reward) the prophets looking toward future reward, and today when we use the phrase passed on we really mean dead.
People cannot discuss the new testament without reconciling it with the old. Jesus himself quoted it because the new hadn't been written yet. It is like watching the last part of a movie without seeing the first...causes a lot of speculation but no real truth because they are assuming .... We will not know the true story unless we rent the movie and watch it. then we will be able to give a valid opinion.
Thanks to charisenexcelcis for your council and studying with me
