Part Two (Cont'd)
Pagan practices proliferate in Islam.
Picking up again where we left off, @ 7:48
By the way, why do Muslims walk circles around the Kaaba? The
pagans walked circles around the Kaaba too. Why did they do that?
The Muslim scholar and Qur'an translator Yusaf Ali, in his
commentary on the Qur'an, has an appendix on ancient forms
of pagan worship. He writes, It will be noticed that the Sun and
the Moon and the five planets got identified each with a living
deity, god or goddess, with characteristic qualities of its own.
The ancients knew about the stars and constellations, but they also
knew about seven heavenly objects that seemed to have their own motions:
the sun, the moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. They
didn't have telescopes yet so they didn't know about the other planets.
According to the pagans, each of these seven heavenly objects was
orbiting the earth, and each was associated with a particular pagan deity.
Why did the pagans of Mecca circle the Kaaba seven times? To honor
and worship the seven planetary deities that they believed were circling
the Earth. This is as pagan as you can possibly get, and now this thoroughly
pagan practice is one of the five pillars of Islam. But let me guess: if it
looks like paganism, and walks like paganism, and talks like paganism,
it must be pure monotheism in disguise, right?
When they visit the Kaaba, Muslims do their best to kiss the black stone.
That's funny! The pagans of Arabia used to worship stones, too.
4376 Narrated Abu Raja al Utaridi: we used to worship stones, and
when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw
the first stone and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone, then
we would collect some earth (meaning soil), and then bring a sheep,
and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When
the month of Rajab came, we used to stop the military actions, calling
this month the iron remover, because we used to remove and throw away
the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab.
What did the pagans worship? A stone. And they would trade that
stone for a better stone to worship. When does that process stop?
When you get to the best stone, the black stone, at the Kaaba.
That's what the pagans did. What do Muslims do when they get
to the Kaaba? They kiss the black stone. It's as if Muslims are saying,
we want to be as idolatrous as possible, but we're still not idolaters.
Interestingly, even Muhammad's companions understood that kissing
the black stone was idolatry, but they kept doing it anyway, because
Muhammad had done it. 1597 Narrated Naris bin Abis we read:
Ramar came near the Black stone and kissed it and said, no doubt
I know you are a stone, and can neither harm anyone nor benefit
anyone. Had I not seen Allah's messenger kissing you,
I would not have kissed you.
This is Umar, the second rightly guided Caliph, saying that he
knows he shouldn't be kissing a pagan idol like the black stone,
but he does it anyway, because Muhammad did it.
But there is more idolatry during the Hajj. When the pagans took
the pilgrimage to Mecca, they would run back and forth between
the hills of Al-Safa and Al-Marwah. They ran back and forth between
them to honor the pagan idols. Yusaf Ali comments on Sura 2:158
of the Qur'an: The virtue of patient perseverance in faith leads to the
mention of two symbolic monuments of that virtue. These are the two
little hills of Safa and Marwah now absorbed in the city of Makkah
(Mecca) and close to the well of Zamzam. Here, according to tradition,
the lady Hagar, mother of the infant Ishmael, prayed for water in the
parched desert, and in her eager quest round these hills, she found
her prayer answered, and saw the Zamzam spring. Unfortunately the
pagan Arabs had placed a male and a female idol here, and their gross
and superstitious rites caused offense to the early Muslims.
Now, how do we know that Hagar and Ishmael were ever at these hills?
Because Muhammad said it, right? And Muhammad's the guy who
thought that Abraham and Solomon lived forty years apart, and that
Alexander the Great was a Muslim: least reliable source of historical
information ever. But what do we actually know here?
We know that pagans used to run back and forth as part of
their idol worship, and the early Muslims knew this as well.
3847 narrated by Ibn Abas: To run along the valley between the two
green pillars of As-Safa and Malwara (mountains), was not Sunna, but
the people in the pre-Islamic period of ignorance used to run along it and
used to say, "We do not cross this rain stream except running in great haste."
Now, this is devastating to Islam, because Ibn Abas says this practice
was just a pagan practice. It wasn't part of the sunna of Muhammad.
Notice the commentary at the bottom: This statement of Ibn Abas
is wrong, as most of the religious scholars consider it As-Sunna
of the prophet. Most of the religious scholars, in order to rescue
Islam, have to throw Ibn Abas under the bus. This is getting ridiculous!
(2574) Narrated 'Asim bin Sulaiman: I asked Anas bin Malik about Safa
and Marwa. Anas replied, "We used to consider (i.e. going around) them
a custom of the Pre-islamic period of Ignorance, so when Islam came, we
gave up going around them. Then Allah revealed" "Verily, Safa and Marwa
(i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the symbols of allah. So it is not
harmful (sin) of those who perform the Hajj (pilgrimage) of the House
(Kaaba) at Mecca - or perform the Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between
them." (2.158) (Book #60, Hadith #23) [video said 4496]
[video=youtube;Rxj41M-xwa0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxj41M-xwa0[/video]
Here again the early Muslims understood that this was a pagan
practice. They sad that they stopped doing it when they became
Muslims, but Muhammad liked it, so it ended up in the Qur'an.
How much paganism can you fit into one religion?
Quite a bit, it seems. And two things are amazing here:
First, it's amazing that Muslims who are swimming in a sea
of pagan practices are deluded enough to think that they're
the true champions of monotheism. They're doing everything
the pagans did. They just rename it, monotheism.
Second, the pagans of Arabia were local groups. They weren't
going to spread their pagan practices around the world, but
Islam has taken the same idolatrous pagan nonsense practiced
by the Meccans and spread it around the world.
This means that Islam is the greatest source of idolatry and paganism
in history. Now to you Muslims who insist on taking the pilgrimage
to Mecca, in spite of its pagan roots, I make a simple request: watch the
video where I talk about the Kaaba, and how you can convert your false
pagan worship into something that actually involves God. I'm not sure
you'll like it, but it will definitely be an improvement over spending your
lives kissing a pagan rock, and running around a pagan cube, and
celebrating the seven false planetary deities, and having no idea that
you've been duped. The chief export of Saudi Arabia is not oil, it's
paganism, and terrorism... off topic but I couldn't resist.
David gets a lot of comments from people who practice this "peaceful"
pagan religion, many of them death threats. Thank you Lord for providing
teachers who stand up for Truth despite the bullies and opposition to facts.
Pagan practices proliferate in Islam.
Picking up again where we left off, @ 7:48
By the way, why do Muslims walk circles around the Kaaba? The
pagans walked circles around the Kaaba too. Why did they do that?
The Muslim scholar and Qur'an translator Yusaf Ali, in his
commentary on the Qur'an, has an appendix on ancient forms
of pagan worship. He writes, It will be noticed that the Sun and
the Moon and the five planets got identified each with a living
deity, god or goddess, with characteristic qualities of its own.
The ancients knew about the stars and constellations, but they also
knew about seven heavenly objects that seemed to have their own motions:
the sun, the moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. They
didn't have telescopes yet so they didn't know about the other planets.
According to the pagans, each of these seven heavenly objects was
orbiting the earth, and each was associated with a particular pagan deity.
Why did the pagans of Mecca circle the Kaaba seven times? To honor
and worship the seven planetary deities that they believed were circling
the Earth. This is as pagan as you can possibly get, and now this thoroughly
pagan practice is one of the five pillars of Islam. But let me guess: if it
looks like paganism, and walks like paganism, and talks like paganism,
it must be pure monotheism in disguise, right?
When they visit the Kaaba, Muslims do their best to kiss the black stone.
That's funny! The pagans of Arabia used to worship stones, too.
4376 Narrated Abu Raja al Utaridi: we used to worship stones, and
when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw
the first stone and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone, then
we would collect some earth (meaning soil), and then bring a sheep,
and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When
the month of Rajab came, we used to stop the military actions, calling
this month the iron remover, because we used to remove and throw away
the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab.
What did the pagans worship? A stone. And they would trade that
stone for a better stone to worship. When does that process stop?
When you get to the best stone, the black stone, at the Kaaba.
That's what the pagans did. What do Muslims do when they get
to the Kaaba? They kiss the black stone. It's as if Muslims are saying,
we want to be as idolatrous as possible, but we're still not idolaters.
Interestingly, even Muhammad's companions understood that kissing
the black stone was idolatry, but they kept doing it anyway, because
Muhammad had done it. 1597 Narrated Naris bin Abis we read:
Ramar came near the Black stone and kissed it and said, no doubt
I know you are a stone, and can neither harm anyone nor benefit
anyone. Had I not seen Allah's messenger kissing you,
I would not have kissed you.
This is Umar, the second rightly guided Caliph, saying that he
knows he shouldn't be kissing a pagan idol like the black stone,
but he does it anyway, because Muhammad did it.
But there is more idolatry during the Hajj. When the pagans took
the pilgrimage to Mecca, they would run back and forth between
the hills of Al-Safa and Al-Marwah. They ran back and forth between
them to honor the pagan idols. Yusaf Ali comments on Sura 2:158
of the Qur'an: The virtue of patient perseverance in faith leads to the
mention of two symbolic monuments of that virtue. These are the two
little hills of Safa and Marwah now absorbed in the city of Makkah
(Mecca) and close to the well of Zamzam. Here, according to tradition,
the lady Hagar, mother of the infant Ishmael, prayed for water in the
parched desert, and in her eager quest round these hills, she found
her prayer answered, and saw the Zamzam spring. Unfortunately the
pagan Arabs had placed a male and a female idol here, and their gross
and superstitious rites caused offense to the early Muslims.
Now, how do we know that Hagar and Ishmael were ever at these hills?
Because Muhammad said it, right? And Muhammad's the guy who
thought that Abraham and Solomon lived forty years apart, and that
Alexander the Great was a Muslim: least reliable source of historical
information ever. But what do we actually know here?
We know that pagans used to run back and forth as part of
their idol worship, and the early Muslims knew this as well.
3847 narrated by Ibn Abas: To run along the valley between the two
green pillars of As-Safa and Malwara (mountains), was not Sunna, but
the people in the pre-Islamic period of ignorance used to run along it and
used to say, "We do not cross this rain stream except running in great haste."
Now, this is devastating to Islam, because Ibn Abas says this practice
was just a pagan practice. It wasn't part of the sunna of Muhammad.
Notice the commentary at the bottom: This statement of Ibn Abas
is wrong, as most of the religious scholars consider it As-Sunna
of the prophet. Most of the religious scholars, in order to rescue
Islam, have to throw Ibn Abas under the bus. This is getting ridiculous!
(2574) Narrated 'Asim bin Sulaiman: I asked Anas bin Malik about Safa
and Marwa. Anas replied, "We used to consider (i.e. going around) them
a custom of the Pre-islamic period of Ignorance, so when Islam came, we
gave up going around them. Then Allah revealed" "Verily, Safa and Marwa
(i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the symbols of allah. So it is not
harmful (sin) of those who perform the Hajj (pilgrimage) of the House
(Kaaba) at Mecca - or perform the Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between
them." (2.158) (Book #60, Hadith #23) [video said 4496]
[video=youtube;Rxj41M-xwa0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxj41M-xwa0[/video]
Here again the early Muslims understood that this was a pagan
practice. They sad that they stopped doing it when they became
Muslims, but Muhammad liked it, so it ended up in the Qur'an.
How much paganism can you fit into one religion?
Quite a bit, it seems. And two things are amazing here:
First, it's amazing that Muslims who are swimming in a sea
of pagan practices are deluded enough to think that they're
the true champions of monotheism. They're doing everything
the pagans did. They just rename it, monotheism.
Second, the pagans of Arabia were local groups. They weren't
going to spread their pagan practices around the world, but
Islam has taken the same idolatrous pagan nonsense practiced
by the Meccans and spread it around the world.
This means that Islam is the greatest source of idolatry and paganism
in history. Now to you Muslims who insist on taking the pilgrimage
to Mecca, in spite of its pagan roots, I make a simple request: watch the
video where I talk about the Kaaba, and how you can convert your false
pagan worship into something that actually involves God. I'm not sure
you'll like it, but it will definitely be an improvement over spending your
lives kissing a pagan rock, and running around a pagan cube, and
celebrating the seven false planetary deities, and having no idea that
you've been duped. The chief export of Saudi Arabia is not oil, it's
paganism, and terrorism... off topic but I couldn't resist.
David gets a lot of comments from people who practice this "peaceful"
pagan religion, many of them death threats. Thank you Lord for providing
teachers who stand up for Truth despite the bullies and opposition to facts.
