Why facts matter and memes do not

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RickyZ

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OK! This is not an attempt to demean the rich. Instead, I hope your take away will be why it is important to base decisions on FACTS instead of sound bites.

From today's LA Times



Proposals to increase taxes on the wealthy are having a moment: Polling shows Democrats and Republicans coming together in support of steep taxes on the wealth and income of the super-rich. But there's one type of tax on millionaires that Americans have consistently been skeptical of: the estate tax. Polling typically shows that a majority of Americans favor repealing this tax completely.

Part of this is due to Republicans' success in branding the tax a "death tax" that unfairly confiscates wealth from Americans at the time of a family member's death. But research out of Sweden suggests that many people may simply be unaware of basic facts about inherited wealth.

In the study, researchers from Linnaeus University and the Paris School of Economics administered a nationally representative survey to Swedish adults. The survey included questions about the respondents' support for an estate tax, which Sweden had until 2004, when it was abolished.

Some respondents received factual information about wealth inheritance in Sweden: that inherited wealth represents about half of all wealth in the population; that those with the highest incomes inherit the most; and that a majority of Swedish billionaires inherited their fortunes. Other respondents were not given this information.

The researchers found that the group receiving the factual information was significantly more likely to support the estate tax than the respondents who didn't. One implication of the study: Support for an estate tax in wealthy countries may be low simply because many people don't understand how inherited wealth works.

Pollsters have observed similar dynamics at play in tax discussions in the United States. In 2017, for instance, a HuffPost/YouGov poll asked whether the estate tax should be abolished. Half of the respondents were additionally told that the tax only affects estates worth more than $5 million. Among that group, support for keeping the tax (46%) was nearly 20 percentage points higher than it was among the group not receiving factual information (27%).

That survey also revealed that many Americans had incorrect notions about the estate tax. Only 37% of respondents knew that the tax affects only a few families (less than 0.1% of people who die) each year. Thirty percent believed, incorrectly, that "most" families were subject to the tax. Sixty-three percent incorrectly believed that poor and middle-class families were primarily affected by the tax, even though it applied only to estates worth more than $5 million at the time the survey was administered.

More broadly, other research has shown that Americans have a poor understanding of how wealth is distributed in this country.
A 2010 study found, for instance, that Americans believed that the bottom 60% of the country owned a little more than 20% of the nation's total wealth. In reality, the bottom 60% owns about 1% of the country's total wealth. Ninety percent of wealth in the United States is held by the richest 20% of families, with the richest 1% owning 40% of it.
 

Lynx

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Rich or poor, inherited or self-made, it's all going to be lost to inflation anyway.
 

RickyZ

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The point wasn't about money, it's not about rich or poor

it's about where we get information from, facts or sound bites.
 

RickyZ

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I knew I should have redacted it...
 
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KnowMe

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That’s a good question, depends some so called facts have been overturned and some sounds bites deemed unfactual declared a fact.
 
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KnowMe

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Like the apple that fell on Newton’s head, when actually he saw an apple fall and started pondering the idea of gravity. hehe
 

blue_ladybug

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And what precisely, does this have to do with memes?? :unsure:
 

RickyZ

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Too many people base their decisions on memes and sound bites instead of actual facts. That's how facebook sways people.
 

Lynx

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Can't sway me because I don't have facebook.

It is as it has always been. Some will seek out facts, some will accept facts or non-facts that are handed to them, some will make up their own facts and some will stick their fingers in their ears and deliberately ignore all facts.

The only thing that has changed is technology, and that has only provided different avenues for facts and non-facts. The people using the technology are the same and they act and react the same.
 

RickyZ

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You don't think that it's gotten worse? The spread of social media, a platform designed for memes and sound bites, hasn't accelerated the problem? Why did Russia invest so heavily in their SN influence on this past election?
 

Lynx

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No I don't think it has gotten worse. More pronounced, but not worse. People haven't changed and the internet is not changing them. It just makes it easier to do what they were going to do anyway, and possible to do more of it in a given amount of time.

Kids that used to hang out in groups in parking lots can now hang out with their friends in snapchat, without having to contend with weather and bugs.

People who used to gossip to each other after church or at the store or over the backyard fence now gossip to each other in text messages and on facebook.

People who used to form their opinions about the world from glancing at the headlines of politically biased newspapers and witty comments they heard people make, now they have yahoo news and memes.

And old guys who used to sit around the diner or hardware store and complain about everybody they know is doing life wrong and how everybody SHOULD be doing life... well... these days they usually hang out on forums complaining about how everybody in the world is doing life wrong and how they SHOULD be doing life.
 

Homewardbound

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Can't sway me because I don't have facebook.

It is as it has always been. Some will seek out facts, some will accept facts or non-facts that are handed to them, some will make up their own facts and some will stick their fingers in their ears and deliberately ignore all facts.

The only thing that has changed is technology, and that has only provided different avenues for facts and non-facts. The people using the technology are the same and they act and react the same.
I thought I was the only one not on Facebook...
 

PennEd

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ALL of this ignores one basic FACT.

IT AINT YOUR MONEY!!!!

It's not the government's money. You are advocating theft, pure and simple. If someone wants to give THEIR money, and THEIR property to a hospital, a College, to the poor, TO THEIR KIDS, or dig a hole and burn up everything they own, that's NONE of YOUR business!!

It's theirs. They can do with it whatever they want.
Geesh! Why can't people understand basic freedom?
 
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ALL of this ignores one basic FACT.

IT AINT YOUR MONEY!!!!

It's not the government's money. You are advocating theft, pure and simple. If someone wants to give THEIR money, and THEIR property to a hospital, a College, to the poor, TO THEIR KIDS, or dig a hole and burn up everything they own, that's NONE of YOUR business!!

It's theirs. They can do with it whatever they want.
Geesh! Why can't people understand basic freedom?
It's pure covetousness which is idolatry.
 

PennEd

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It's pure covetousness which is idolatry.

It's also doubly revolting coming from Americans.

Virtually every American is in the top 2% (most in the top 1%) of wealthiest people on the planet!

It reminds me of the Blessed Israelites constantly complaining.
 
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What part of this do leftist "Christians" not get?

"You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.” Exodus 20:17