Why Yaoi/BL/Yuri/Gl is bad, for everyone and Japan's culture overall

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WARNING: The stuff I will be talking about might be uncomfortable for people, as the stuff I will be talking about will include talking about sex, society pressure, and suicide. If any of these might worry you, then I will post a TL;DR at the end

So I will not claim to be a expert of Japanese culture, I have never been to Japan, but I have watched countless reviews where the reviewer would talk about Japanese culture, and how it ties into anime. Plus, when you get so into something from a different country, you just kind of learn things while watching, as in a lot of anime will have similar food appear a lot, so I'm familiar with some Japanese Food and whatnot, it would be the same thing as any person not from America, learning about america by watching american made movies.

So anyway back to my main point, I feel like talking about this because this is a legit thing and issue, and I'm speaking from my experience of used to being into Yaoi/BL manga. So what even is this stuff? So yaoi (Otherwise known as BL, AKA Boys Love), is basically homosexual porn involving two men. Yuri (GL/ AKA Girls Love) is the female version of yaoi/BL. It has become so popular among women in Japan, because the way marriage works in their houses, the man has more power. So a reason why Japanese women gravitate towards yaoi, is because it can give them a sense of power that they normally would not be able to have at home, which I believe is not healthy. Yes I know it's a different culture, but if I don't think it's healthy, I'm gonna say it's not healthy, plus this "not healthy"mentality ties into Japanese culture overall.

You see, Japan has a pretty stern system: You are expected to go to college, graduate, and find a job. This puts tons of stress on people, and has actually lead to Japan having a huge population of NEETS (Not in education, Employment, or Training) and actually some the stress has gotten so bad, some of these people will end their lives with suicide...if some of you keep up with YouTube, you might have heard about Logan Paul visiting the "Suicide Forest" and just how he was extremely disrespectful to Japanese culture overall, but it's a real place, and it's sad. Other than that, you have people, young people, who can't take the stress and become "Hikikomori", which is a phrase to describe the people who have given up, and chose to live in their apartment/house, some cases are so extreme they will not leave their place of living, all because their society and culture has placed such huge responsibilities on them, cause if you don't have a job and are not doing well, you are looked down on.

So does this all tie into the homosexual porn? Well because the young Japanese adults have these stressful lives, animation companies, figure making companies, and books will sell pornographic stuff, whether it be homosexual or heterosexual, because there is a huge market for this stuff in Japan, probably for the purpose of "stress relief" if you get what I mean.

So to go a bit deeper into yaoi, this stuff is so popular in Japan, there are terms people have made up. If you want to refer to the "bottom" you call him "Uke" and the "Top" is a "Seme", plus if you are a girl into this stuff, and ship non-gay characters from any other media, you call yourself a "Fujoshi" which basically means "Rotten Girl", or "Fundanshi" if you're a guy. There is "non-sexually explicit" stuff in shonen-ai (The Japanese term for Boys love) and shoujo-ai, but the yaoi/yuri stuff is tons more popular, especially the yaoi, it has gotten up to the point that Yaoi-con, a actual convention for the promotion of gay boys love, is held yearly in California (Of course, lol). Also, yaoi has a lot of repeated themes, including being rape-y, yep cause the one guy clearly doesn't want to do it, and the other guy forces him to do sex, so yep that's rape in my opinion.

That's why when I hear of someone getting into anime, I want to warn them, and you might be asking at this point: "Why in everything that is known did you get into this stuff?", it's simple, I was a stupid college kid. Picked up a yaoi manga at Barnes and Noble (Yes they sell them, they are usually wrapped up in plastic, they also sell yuri manga as well) because I thought "I'll give this stuff a try because Christians are not nice to gay people, and me trying to read gay manga will make me understand them."...no it was a bad idea. But I do wanna say this in closing, NOT ALL ANIME IS BAD, Trigun, the creator has come out and said he is a christian, and there are plenty of amazing and beautiful anime to watch/manga to read, just research before watching/read anything. It would be like saying all of American animation is porn because "Fritz the Cat" or other animated "porn-like" shows exist, and I don't think that's fair to put everything as bad, when it's not. Plus, you have to remember this, Japan's main religion Shintoism/Buddhism, not Christianity, so most Japanese (And actually most eastern countries) do not know about the amazing redemption God has done for everyone, and how no matter our past lives, we can be reborn again in following God. Yes it will not be easy and past sins while forgiven, can still make life tough, I accidentally dipped back into watching "Shounen-ai" shows, but now I'm not and know better, my faith foundation just wasn't strong back then.

So if you actually read this whole thing, thanks ^_^

TL;DR: Basically Japan does not know Christianity and is a country that suffers a lot from it's culture. If they were to be introduced to Christianity, it might help to make their lives better.


Here is a long list of links with additional information if anyone wants additional information:

Yaoi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi
Marriage in Japan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marri...arriage in Japan is a,the need for a ceremony.
Religion in Japan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relig...l statistical,and 6.2 percent other religions.
The Suicide Forest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aokigahara
NEET: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET#...tion of a person,Canada and the United States.
Hikkimori: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikik...Japanese:,general and the recluses themselves.
Fujoshi: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rotten girl (Fujoshi)
Yaoi-Con: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi-Con
An article talking about NEETs and Hikkimoris (It's a old article, but it looks like it has great info): https://www.frontiersin.org/article...he twenty-first,(socially withdrawn/isolated).
Trigun: https://beneaththetangles.com/2011/04/22/the-faith-of-yasuhiro-nightow/
 

shittim

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seems like this stems from a society not Christ based but focused on the temporal world.
 
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seems like this stems from a society not Christ based but focused on the temporal world.
If you look at their statistics, only about 1.5% of Japan’s population claim to be Christian, while its 69% for Shintoism and I believe 66% for Buddhism, if I remember the Wikipedia page right. The church where my mom’s friend holds her “Fit for God” program, they do a bible study and the church’s pastor’s wife, shares stories on how other ministries are doing, including the one they have in Japan. One story she told us during a Bible study is that Japan does not know God, and have never read the Bible. With statistics like I mentioned earlier, I can believe it.
 

shittim

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We really dropped the ball at the end of ww2 when the veneration of the emperor was brought to and end, the door was open for the gospel to be spread, the people were needing the truth.
 

stepbystep

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There are Christian Missionaries active in Japan today. The cities of Kumamoto, Izumi, and Miyakonojo have Missionary bases, and in Tokyo according to what I have read.

The Gospel is being preached in Japan, which fulfills the requirement for all Nations to have heard the Gospel.
 

Lanolin

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If I recall, it was america who bombed Hiroshima, after Japan bombed Pearl Harbour.

my former city (now its almagamated with about eight other districts) had a sister city friendship thing going with Fukuoka I think it was.

Basically it was mayors visiting each others cities and exchanging souvenir type gifts.
We have a japanese garden made....they have a golf course.

as for manga. Its hugely popular format of reading in Japan, and become quite popular with teens, the style which has crossed over, to the english reading public, not necessarily the content.

and yes there are MANGA versions of the Bible.
 
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If I recall, it was america who bombed Hiroshima, after Japan bombed Pearl Harbour.

my former city (now its almagamated with about eight other districts) had a sister city friendship thing going with Fukuoka I think it was.

Basically it was mayors visiting each others cities and exchanging souvenir type gifts.
We have a japanese garden made....they have a golf course.

as for manga. Its hugely popular format of reading in Japan, and become quite popular with teens, the style which has crossed over, to the english reading public, not necessarily the content.

and yes there are MANGA versions of the Bible.
Yes that is correct, but however those are mistakes of the past, we learn from those mistakes to never hopefully repeat them again. I’m very much against “History shaming”, as you can’t judge someone/a country based on their past actions, I think that is very unfair.

Yeah I knew about those Bible manga, manga is popular because of how much it is everywhere, like you have dedicated magazine publishing of a whole bunch of different manga into one magazine, like Shouen jump for example. It is Japanese comics, but a lot of them can also be seen as art.

That’s why I put an emphasis on not all anime is the same (And manga for that matter), I just don’t like people throwing videogames, movies, manga, youtube under the “It is awful/Satanic” labels, because it that doesn’t deserve it in my opinion, and that’s not because I’m into this stuff, like I don’t agree with how someone would call martial arts as “Satanic”, even though I’m barely into them and my knowledge comes from anime/youtube. I think if people learned and to give something a chance, they just might see how amazing these art forms/forms of exercise can be.
 

Lanolin

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well I dont think anyone here is on a crusade to stamp out manga. Maybe its just your mum that has that opinion!

I think people can be a bit prejudiced about comics in general and see them as a bit trashy and lowbrow.
In libraries to give the genre a bit more respectability, they called them 'graphic novels' (even when some of them werent novels) but theres such a wide range within the genre which is basically pictures with words. some are very high art and amazingly sophisticated. and the good thing about them is they get people into reading. Sometimes you need to give your eyes a rest from over-description. Thats why teens and young adults love them, because teens are expectated to read and process so much text at school that they just get overloaded and need a break.

People can just be snobby about anything they dont understand. I wouldnt let that bother me.

and if its your mum, well you cant do much about her dislikes. Older people can be set in their ways.
 
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well I dont think anyone here is on a crusade to stamp out manga. Maybe its just your mum that has that opinion!

I think people can be a bit prejudiced about comics in general and see them as a bit trashy and lowbrow.
In libraries to give the genre a bit more respectability, they called them 'graphic novels' (even when some of them werent novels) but theres such a wide range within the genre which is basically pictures with words. some are very high art and amazingly sophisticated. and the good thing about them is they get people into reading. Sometimes you need to give your eyes a rest from over-description. Thats why teens and young adults love them, because teens are expectated to read and process so much text at school that they just get overloaded and need a break.

People can just be snobby about anything they dont understand. I wouldnt let that bother me.

and if its your mum, well you cant do much about her dislikes. Older people can be set in their ways.
It’s definitely not my mom, we watch anime together, we watched Attack on Titan Season 1, currently watching Death Note here and there, we watched Millennium Actress, and I’m planning on Sunday for us to watch Kiki’s Delivery Service. I just felt for the longest time that Christians are against what I like, but I am now seeing that is less likely to be true. I have Christian friends into anime, but we don’t really talk about Christian stuff, or talk at much, I’m a awful friend, lol.

But yeah, prejudice is very much against art forms, like even if you aren’t Christian, mention it on the Internet to someone and they might say back: “Oh then you’re a Weeb?” Or “So you watch Hentai then?” because of the stereotyping prejudice that people have towards anime. I actually just realized this can also be targeted towards Christians, as most usual discussions on the Internet/real-life usually results in “Why do Christians hate gay people?”, as that is a hurtful stereotyping prejudice too, I guess everyone can be a victim of that mindset, but we are also capable of being into stereotyping and prejudice too.
 
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So I do watch/read yaoi/BL and I like it but also regret it. I used to be a Christian three years ago but I got off track. My best friend introduced yaoi to me and I didn't want to look at it then but now I am addicted, why?
 
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So I do watch/read yaoi/BL and I like it but also regret it. I used to be a Christian three years ago but I got off track. My best friend introduced yaoi to me and I didn't want to look at it then but now I am addicted, why?
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