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That guy teaches a works based salvation.
He talks about God's mercy one minute then tells you that you must overcome your sins to be saved. That's the same false doctrine that the book of Galatians teaches against Jake.
The Galatians allowed people to come into their churches who wrongly taught that they had to keep the law to be saved. The issue of sin is not as complicated as this guy and Charles Spurgeon makes it out to be.
I'll post one for you that explains very clearly the true biblical issues. Ask if you have any questions.
He talks about God's mercy one minute then tells you that you must overcome your sins to be saved. That's the same false doctrine that the book of Galatians teaches against Jake.
The Galatians allowed people to come into their churches who wrongly taught that they had to keep the law to be saved. The issue of sin is not as complicated as this guy and Charles Spurgeon makes it out to be.
I'll post one for you that explains very clearly the true biblical issues. Ask if you have any questions.
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Youre not really proving your point though. You said he is a works salvation preacher but he has clearly stated about Jesus dying on the cross ,his resurrection, about sin, about hell, about us needing to make Jesus our lord and savio, trusting him, having faith and being obedient. He preaches the gospel. I really enjoy how he makes his videos and at the end he uses his video to draw you to christ.If you haven't watched any of his videos and happen to have time on your hands please watch a few. Please watch all of it if you start one. I am all for hearing any evidence you may have to back your allegations against Joe and his "kirbsideministries" on YouTube. Please check him out for your own viewing and then see if what you are claiming really fits what you see and hear. Please go straight to the source and no others.
You seemed confused about your salvation in a couple previous threads that you started. When I listened, I tried to find out what the confusion is. So I did watch the video you posted. I went back and re-watched the second half.
I watched the ones that I thought might clarify that issue, be brief and to the point .
Hope what I say below helps.
Here is the source from which I speak Jake.
I recall I Corinthians 15:1-4 giving a good
definition of the gospel.
"1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
The epistle to the Galatians takes a weekend to read if you take your time in the evenings.
Paul addressed the issue in detail. He started out from the start after his intro to say,
"4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: 5To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."
He repeats this foundational truth for emphasis. What they were misled into thinking back then is the same basic things that preachers get wrong today. They add man's works to that which Jesus alone did on the cross. They teach that he died on the cross. Most cults and false religions acknowledge that. The problem is that they add things like turning from your sins, which is what? It's keeping the law. Paul rebuked that as a means of salvation. They add various works to grace when it comes to salvation and mix those commands given to the saved with those commands given to those who need to be saved. "Being obedient" [to the law] are the very works that are defined in the epistle to the Galatians.
He also addresses this in Ephesians 2.
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Faith and believe mean the same thing. Jesus and what He accomplished on our behalf is the Object Who we must place our faith without the deeds of the law.
"16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
Add any works to that and one remains condemned. You told me that you believe that obedience is part of salvation. You probably see now that obedience has nothing to do with heaven or hell. Nobody has been obedient but the Lord. . Paul again says in Acts 16,
"Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
Please watch the conclusion of the video below and follow in prayer to receive that precious gift .
I watched the ones that I thought might clarify that issue, be brief and to the point .
Hope what I say below helps.
Here is the source from which I speak Jake.
I recall I Corinthians 15:1-4 giving a good
definition of the gospel.
"1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
The epistle to the Galatians takes a weekend to read if you take your time in the evenings.
Paul addressed the issue in detail. He started out from the start after his intro to say,
"4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: 5To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."
He repeats this foundational truth for emphasis. What they were misled into thinking back then is the same basic things that preachers get wrong today. They add man's works to that which Jesus alone did on the cross. They teach that he died on the cross. Most cults and false religions acknowledge that. The problem is that they add things like turning from your sins, which is what? It's keeping the law. Paul rebuked that as a means of salvation. They add various works to grace when it comes to salvation and mix those commands given to the saved with those commands given to those who need to be saved. "Being obedient" [to the law] are the very works that are defined in the epistle to the Galatians.
He also addresses this in Ephesians 2.
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Faith and believe mean the same thing. Jesus and what He accomplished on our behalf is the Object Who we must place our faith without the deeds of the law.
"16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
Add any works to that and one remains condemned. You told me that you believe that obedience is part of salvation. You probably see now that obedience has nothing to do with heaven or hell. Nobody has been obedient but the Lord. . Paul again says in Acts 16,
"Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
Please watch the conclusion of the video below and follow in prayer to receive that precious gift .
I'm not confused about my salvation, more of how you are going from Joe being a works preacher to my salvation..... But I'm not confused about my salvation. You keep making invalid points and keep skipping around like a stone on top of the water.
He's a works preacher, let's jump to sin issues, now let's check in on your salvation. What's next.... The weather? I guess what I'm saying is if your going to try to make a point.....make it. I am all open to try to understand but you are not staying with one topic. You state something and then barley respond to your claim and boom you jump to something else ( something I noticed ).
And you might want to check your facts before speaking out on someone. If you can't tell Joe has a love for the lord and for others and that he's not about works..... maybe you should check yourself. I'm not trying to sound rude.
He's a works preacher, let's jump to sin issues, now let's check in on your salvation. What's next.... The weather? I guess what I'm saying is if your going to try to make a point.....make it. I am all open to try to understand but you are not staying with one topic. You state something and then barley respond to your claim and boom you jump to something else ( something I noticed ).
And you might want to check your facts before speaking out on someone. If you can't tell Joe has a love for the lord and for others and that he's not about works..... maybe you should check yourself. I'm not trying to sound rude.
@HealthAndHappiness I just want to apologize for my last post. I did not speak with love. Please forgive me for me poor choice of words and the way I approached the conversation. Even though I may not agree with how you may see Joe, the things I said was not the right way. I am sorry. The lord has helped me to see and understand that I need right my wrong. Yes when it comes to the lord I am confused on somethings but no my salvation is not one.
I am sorry and I pray you can find it in your heart to forgive me. God bless
I am sorry and I pray you can find it in your heart to forgive me. God bless
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Of course. No hard feelings or anything.
My main concern was about posts from another thread where I thought you had doubts. I just wanted to help you clarify that in case you had doubts about salvation. I must have been wrong.
I'm happy to share my testimony on that any time.
If my salvation was based on my behavior I would be lost every time I sin.
If it was through repenting of sin, then there would be too many to recognize or to remember.
If I could give my heart or life in exchange for eternal life, I would be an unacceptable sacrifice to God. It took the sinless Sacrifice as the only acceptable one. There's nothing I can add to His atonement. The only thing that I was required by God to do is to put my trust in His Son. John 3:18
"“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
After someone shared that with me as a teenager, I read the chapters of the verses provided to make sure they were in context. I was convinced of the plainly spoken truth and was convinced at my bedside later that night. That's when I asked for that free gift of everlasting life. He's kept His promises so in brief, that's why I am assured of heaven.
That's what I hope for others to know too who may or may not.
My main concern was about posts from another thread where I thought you had doubts. I just wanted to help you clarify that in case you had doubts about salvation. I must have been wrong.
I'm happy to share my testimony on that any time.
If my salvation was based on my behavior I would be lost every time I sin.
If it was through repenting of sin, then there would be too many to recognize or to remember.
If I could give my heart or life in exchange for eternal life, I would be an unacceptable sacrifice to God. It took the sinless Sacrifice as the only acceptable one. There's nothing I can add to His atonement. The only thing that I was required by God to do is to put my trust in His Son. John 3:18
"“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
After someone shared that with me as a teenager, I read the chapters of the verses provided to make sure they were in context. I was convinced of the plainly spoken truth and was convinced at my bedside later that night. That's when I asked for that free gift of everlasting life. He's kept His promises so in brief, that's why I am assured of heaven.
That's what I hope for others to know too who may or may not.
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