“The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him"
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Re: “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him"
So you think that the baby is lost? If so, join Roman. You think just like'm. After all, that's their concept of original sin. They believe babies are born guilty of their parents' sins. You think David's child was killed, by God, because of David's sin. That belief is in line with Catholicism.
So you think that the baby is lost? If so, join Roman. You think just like'm. After all, that's their concept of original sin. They believe babies are born guilty of their parents' sins. You think David's child was killed, by God, because of David's sin. That belief is in line with Catholicism.
Re: “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him"
This is the Old Covenant at work. The Israelites were COMMANDED to Keep the Sabbath Day Holy, they were COMMANDED to OBEY the 10 Commandments, which were the Words of the Covenant. Breaking any of the 10 Commandments was grounds to be stoned. Under the Old Covenant there were over 600 DO's and DON'Ts the Israelites were COMMANDED to observe. The Israelites were Commanded to Keep the Sabbath Holy to the Lord, breaking it, was grounds to be Stoned.
Thank You Jesus, that He gave us a New Covenant to obey and to follow, and that is to obey Jesus and His Apostle what they teach us to do, namely to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
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This is the Old Covenant at work. The Israelites were COMMANDED to Keep the Sabbath Day Holy, they were COMMANDED to OBEY the 10 Commandments, which were the Words of the Covenant. Breaking any of the 10 Commandments was grounds to be stoned. Under the Old Covenant there were over 600 DO's and DON'Ts the Israelites were COMMANDED to observe. The Israelites were Commanded to Keep the Sabbath Holy to the Lord, breaking it, was grounds to be Stoned.
Thank You Jesus, that He gave us a New Covenant to obey and to follow, and that is to obey Jesus and His Apostle what they teach us to do, namely to LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
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Re: “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him"
Your statement is interesting. On another website it was a few fundamentalists that insisted all babies were born sinners. The Catholics on the website didn't seem to like their views. Indeed, one of the fundamentalists proclaimed babies that died went to hell as they were born sinners
Your statement is interesting. On another website it was a few fundamentalists that insisted all babies were born sinners. The Catholics on the website didn't seem to like their views. Indeed, one of the fundamentalists proclaimed babies that died went to hell as they were born sinners
Re: “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him"
I didn't say you did....I was asking. I'm glad your answer is "no".
I'm currently listening to this sermon. Don't know where the guys is going, but maybe you can listen to it also:
Discover The Book Ministries- David's Sin, God's Grace and the Inescapable Consequences of Sin
I didn't say you did....I was asking. I'm glad your answer is "no".
I'm currently listening to this sermon. Don't know where the guys is going, but maybe you can listen to it also:
Discover The Book Ministries- David's Sin, God's Grace and the Inescapable Consequences of Sin
Re: “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him"
We are all born sinners (see Ps 51:5) . Sin = self-centeredness or selfishness.
My 21 month old grandson, when he doesn't get his way, has a temper tantrum. It's his nature. He ultimately got that nature from Adam. Does that make him guilty before God's law or a transgressor? Absolutely not! Why? Spiritual things are spiritually understood and an infant has no concept of God's law. Hence "where there is no law neither is there any transgression".
Christ, by His doing & dying, has reversed our condemnation "in Adam" and hence has justified all mankind unto life. See Romans 5:18. Therefore all infants come into this world justified, not by faith, because they can't exercise faith, but by God's grace alone. Therefore if they die prematurely, before they reach the age of accountability, they will be in heaven.
Again, babies aren't born transgressors. Sinners?, yes, law breakers?, no! That's because transgression involves volition and that a baby cannot mentally do. Therefore all babies are covered by the righteousness of Christ alone the moment they are conceived.
We are all born sinners (see Ps 51:5) . Sin = self-centeredness or selfishness.
My 21 month old grandson, when he doesn't get his way, has a temper tantrum. It's his nature. He ultimately got that nature from Adam. Does that make him guilty before God's law or a transgressor? Absolutely not! Why? Spiritual things are spiritually understood and an infant has no concept of God's law. Hence "where there is no law neither is there any transgression".
Christ, by His doing & dying, has reversed our condemnation "in Adam" and hence has justified all mankind unto life. See Romans 5:18. Therefore all infants come into this world justified, not by faith, because they can't exercise faith, but by God's grace alone. Therefore if they die prematurely, before they reach the age of accountability, they will be in heaven.
Again, babies aren't born transgressors. Sinners?, yes, law breakers?, no! That's because transgression involves volition and that a baby cannot mentally do. Therefore all babies are covered by the righteousness of Christ alone the moment they are conceived.
Re: “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him"
Here Is some Information by Kyle Butt, M.A.
In Leviticus 20:10, the Bible records: “The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.
” In 2 Samuel 11:3-4, the Bible declares that David took Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah, and committed adultery with her. In chapter 12 of that same book, the prophet Nathan confronted David about his sin, thereby convicting David of his sin and bringing him to repentance. There is, however, no record that David was stoned or put to death because of his adulterous union with Bathsheba.
In fact, David was allowed to continue his reign as king of Israel. Skeptics have pointed to this scenario and accused God of being a “respecter of persons,” claiming that He showed David more mercy than the Levitical Law allowed.
Certain Bible believers have done the same, claiming that God simply had mercy on David in spite of what was written in the Law. A close look at the actual Law of Moses shows that these conclusions are incorrect.
God did not jettison the Law of Moses in order to keep David alive. Mosaic regulations specifically stated that a person could be executed "only" if there were two or more witnesses to the crime (Deuteronomy 19:15).
One witness was insufficient to invoke the death penalty (Deuteronomy 17:6).
When we look at the situation between David and Bathsheba, we do not find that even one eyewitness was present to verify the adultery.
In fact, it seems that the entire adulterous affair was quite hidden from the general populace. Only with the arrival of Nathan, the prophet, who was sent by God, did the details surface concerning David’s adultery. Nathan, however, could not be a witness against David, since there is no record of his having been at the scene of the crime.
And even though he apparently got the information directly from God, that still would not fall under the ordinance mentioned in Deuteronomy 19:15. Furthermore, he still would need one more witness in order for David to be stoned.
In truth, if those under the Law of Moses were condemned based on whether or not God knew of their crimes, then far more deaths would have occurred, since “the eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good” (Proverbs 15:3).
We find, then, that the Mosaic Law was not ignored in David’s case; nor is this an instance of God showing partiality.
Yet, even if there had been witnesses, and the Israelites had not properly followed the judicial procedures as set forth in the Law of Moses, it would not have been God’s fault, but the fault of the Israelites who failed to obey God’s commandments.
You’re blessed and highly favored.
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God and our Lord Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:2)
Andrew Wommack Ministries Andrew Wommack Ministries International -2
Here Is some Information by Kyle Butt, M.A.
In Leviticus 20:10, the Bible records: “The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.
” In 2 Samuel 11:3-4, the Bible declares that David took Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah, and committed adultery with her. In chapter 12 of that same book, the prophet Nathan confronted David about his sin, thereby convicting David of his sin and bringing him to repentance. There is, however, no record that David was stoned or put to death because of his adulterous union with Bathsheba.
In fact, David was allowed to continue his reign as king of Israel. Skeptics have pointed to this scenario and accused God of being a “respecter of persons,” claiming that He showed David more mercy than the Levitical Law allowed.
Certain Bible believers have done the same, claiming that God simply had mercy on David in spite of what was written in the Law. A close look at the actual Law of Moses shows that these conclusions are incorrect.
God did not jettison the Law of Moses in order to keep David alive. Mosaic regulations specifically stated that a person could be executed "only" if there were two or more witnesses to the crime (Deuteronomy 19:15).
One witness was insufficient to invoke the death penalty (Deuteronomy 17:6).
When we look at the situation between David and Bathsheba, we do not find that even one eyewitness was present to verify the adultery.
In fact, it seems that the entire adulterous affair was quite hidden from the general populace. Only with the arrival of Nathan, the prophet, who was sent by God, did the details surface concerning David’s adultery. Nathan, however, could not be a witness against David, since there is no record of his having been at the scene of the crime.
And even though he apparently got the information directly from God, that still would not fall under the ordinance mentioned in Deuteronomy 19:15. Furthermore, he still would need one more witness in order for David to be stoned.
In truth, if those under the Law of Moses were condemned based on whether or not God knew of their crimes, then far more deaths would have occurred, since “the eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good” (Proverbs 15:3).
We find, then, that the Mosaic Law was not ignored in David’s case; nor is this an instance of God showing partiality.
Yet, even if there had been witnesses, and the Israelites had not properly followed the judicial procedures as set forth in the Law of Moses, it would not have been God’s fault, but the fault of the Israelites who failed to obey God’s commandments.
You’re blessed and highly favored.
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God and our Lord Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:2)
Andrew Wommack Ministries Andrew Wommack Ministries International -2
David was not a christian he was under the law