“The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him"

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Re: “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him"

Nathan replied. The lord has taken away your sin . You are not going to die. But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the lord show utter contempt the son born to you will die 2 samuel12:13&14

You are taking one point of view....Try reading all the Bible....

Read the following:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discu...ah-did-he.html
 
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For example, what was the Father's role in the death of Jesus?

[TABLE]
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[TD]One Perspective

I [God] will strike the Shepherd. . . . We esteemed Him stricken,smitten by God (Mark 114:27; Isaiah 53:4).[/TD]
[TD]Another Perspective

My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? (Mark 15:34).[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

We have already noted that God did not execute Christ, but we still have that perplexing language stating He did. What can it mean?

Principle: God sees and describes Himself as doing what He does not prevent.

Ref: Light...
 
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Well, there you go....You are infallible. Sorry to bother you.


You are ignorant. I didn't say any such thing. Learn to read.
The law: Gal 3:10-25

The ceremonial/sacrificial law: Heb 10:1-10


Now there's no need to be rude and get upset. You are entitled to your personal opinions, but if you cannot back them up with scripture, they are just opinions, no more
 
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Now there's no need to be rude and get upset.....

Who is being rude? You stated I said something when I didn't. That's called a lie.
 

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Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world to give His life
for us that we might have more life in Him. Just before His crucifixion, He said,


"Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save me
from this hour'? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour."
 
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Who is being rude? You stated I said something when I didn't. That's called a lie.
So are you now claiming sacrifices for sin could be made for those who broke the moral law and the ceremonial law?
 
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The law: Gal 3:10-25

The ceremonial/sacrificial law: Heb 10:1-10
Whats this then?
 
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The OC isn't the sacrificial system. The OC has to do with the terms of the moral law (Ten Commandments), which are "obey & live", "disobey & die."

The sacrificial laws pointed to Christ and were a sign of faith for the OT Jews. Those ended when Christ
died.
And this?...
 
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lol, I am taking the POV according to what is plainly written concerning the subject we were discussing
You are isolating one particular verse and ignoring everything else relating to God's dealing with men. Your view is typical: God gets pissed and kills. That Paganism dressed as Christianity.
 
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You are isolating one particular verse and ignoring everything else relating to God's dealing with men. Your view is typical: God gets pissed and kills. That Paganism dressed as Christianity.
Well there is only those verses that state why the child would die. Just because they disagree with what you believe you want me to go and read something else
 
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So are you now claiming sacrifices for sin could be made for those who broke the moral law and the ceremonial law?
Man you are confused.....
 
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Well there is only those verses that state why the child would die. Just because they disagree with what you believe you want me to go and read something else

Did God "strike" Christ or did He remove Himself from Christ?

If the latter then God didn't do the murdering, did He?

The same with David's child. Think outside the box, if you can.
 
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Re: “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him"

For example, what was the Father's role in the death of Jesus?

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]One Perspective

I [God] will strike the Shepherd. . . . We esteemed Him stricken,smitten by God (Mark 114:27; Isaiah 53:4).[/TD]
[TD]Another Perspective

My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? (Mark 15:34).[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

We have already noted that God did not execute Christ, but we still have that perplexing language stating He did. What can it mean?

Principle: God sees and describes Himself as doing what He does not prevent.

Ref: Light...

Read this again!
 
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Man you are confused.....
lol, if only you had scripture to back up your beliefs.......
 
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Why, you are going all over the place trying to prove your beliefs correct, because you don't have the scriptures. Now you are getting upset because you cant supply them when asked to do so
 
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Did God "strike" Christ or did He remove Himself from Christ?

If the latter then God didn't do the murdering, did He?

The same with David's child. Think outside the box, if you can.


Nathan replied. The lord has taken away your sin . You are not going to die. But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the lord show utter contempt the son born to you will die 2 samuel12:13&14

What you mean is, don't accept the scripture as plainly written, accept my theology I worked out through study
 
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Man you are confused.....
Yes I am confused. In your view, Which laws did sacrifices for sin cover? end my confusion
 
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Roberth
You believe David was not under the OC or the jurisdiction of the law, for he was looking to the4 coming Christ. and that is why he escaped death for breaking the law, whereas the man who picked up wood on the Sabbath died. The problem is why would only certain people under the Old Covenant be privy to such knowledge and not others? It wouldn't be the same covenant for all would it?
I think my speculation would be much nearer the mark than your theology, theology that I have never heard from anyone else. So either you know far more than virtually every minister in the pulpit or you are wrong.
If a person loved God in their heart there was always forgiveness, under the old covenant. David was a man after God's own heart, he loved God and delighted in keeping his laws. Therefore God forgave his sin. If someone under the old covenant didn't love God, and broke three of the ten commandments in a row. Thou shalt not covet, commit adultery, kill, do you think God would have forgiven them? Therefore it is reasonable to assume God knew the man who picked wood on the Sabbath didn't love him, or care about his laws. Speculation yes, but not theology that I have never heard of in forty years of going to church, or heard on the internet either incidentally.
I think my view therefore is much more likely to be the true one
 
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The problem of obedience was always the moral law, not the ceremonial law. Paul said that as a Pharisee he could faultlessly obey the legalistic law(Phil3:6) but he could not obey the moral law(rom 7:8)
The Pharisees of Jesus day obeyed the legalistic/ceremonial law, but on the inside they were full of wickedness, hypocrisy and everything unclean, so which law were they breaking?
Same today. If you asked a Christian in what way they found it hardest to follow after the Holy Spirit, what do you think they would reply if they were honest? Remember, the moral law does not solely consist of what can be seen on the outside