And yet, we are under the law of the Spirit in us. And I break that law of the Spirit in me if I murder you in my heart. And I exacerbate the breaking of it by lying and saying I wasn't angry when all can see by my arrogant, officious speech in which I call you ignorant, a wolf in sheep's clothing, a false teacher, etc., that I was clearly angry and wanted to hurt and cut you with my words. And even if I didn't in fact get angry, the arrogance and lack of humility alone is a breaking of the law of this Spirit in me.
1 peter 1:19
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To give them an opportunity to accept the Gospel and be saved from Hell.....
1 Peter 3:KJV
18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: {19} By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; {20} Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."
1 Peter 3:KJV
18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: {19} By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; {20} Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."
Yes, this is what I came to in looking into it yesterday. We have had the gospel freely preached to us so it would seem unfair for them to not have that same opportunity because the gospel was hidden in the OT. It seemed sometimes to me that by some of our doctrines or explanations, they just got the raw deal and we got the better one. So now I think they maybe did get that same opportunity and 1 Peter seems to say so.
And we are guilty of our sins against God too, but have the good luck of hearing the gospel, having our sins forgiven and receiving the Holy Spirit. They are held to their sins without the benefit of the good news so they got the raw deal. So 1 peter says (in my opinion) that He went and proclaimed it to those from the ancient world who were in prison. This seems wonderfully fair to me and it resolves my problems with some doctrine that seems to me to connote that they are going to hell for not obeying the law, even though no one can keep it, and we are going to heaven because we were born at a better time in which we heard the good news that saves us from our sin. I mean...it's how my mind thinks about it - that it was not fair, that the deck was stacked against them. So 1 peter deals with it.
Some doctrine just seems a little off to me. Or maybe it isn't really doctrine but just what I've heard men say in trying to resolve it. It doesn't quite sit right.
Some doctrine just seems a little off to me. Or maybe it isn't really doctrine but just what I've heard men say in trying to resolve it. It doesn't quite sit right.
The Law did not apply here, because there was no Law as of yet. The flood was before Abram or Abraham, who hundreds of years before Moses and the Law. So what is the Scripture saying in context.
1 Peter 3:18-20 "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water."
Christ was made alive "by the Spirit" He was raised by the Holy Spirit, "by whom also" so by the Spirit, Christ preached to these spirit that are in prison, notice Peter uses the word "in", if these spirits had been preached a salvation message and excepted it Peter should be using the word "were", so when does the Spirit preach to these judged spirits? If He did in the three days while He was died, it would be giving them a second chance, so it couldn't be at that time. We have to add what Abraham said about the place of torment, it's a fixed place no one can leave it. Luke 16:25-26 "But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us." There would be no purpose for Christ through the Spirit to preach to those imprisoned spirits, because they couldn't leave if they excepted the message.One last thought, why, would the Lord preach to these spirits and not to all the spirits that had been disobedient before Christ's time here on earth.
It would seem that Christ preached to these spirit in the time of Noah, while Noah was building the ark, because "Divine long-suffering" was waiting for them to repent while the ark was being built.
2 Peter 2:5 seem to help interpret the context of those verses. "and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bring in the flood on the world of the ungodly;" The context of this verse is judgement. Then if you look back at Genesis 6:3 it speaks of the Holy Spirit striving with man. "And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Darby translation says "plead" the NIV "contend", so it seem as though the Spirit of God was dealing with these wicked people (spirits), by Noah's preaching righteousness to them through the Spirit that raised Christ from the died.
1 Peter 3:18-20 "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water."
Christ was made alive "by the Spirit" He was raised by the Holy Spirit, "by whom also" so by the Spirit, Christ preached to these spirit that are in prison, notice Peter uses the word "in", if these spirits had been preached a salvation message and excepted it Peter should be using the word "were", so when does the Spirit preach to these judged spirits? If He did in the three days while He was died, it would be giving them a second chance, so it couldn't be at that time. We have to add what Abraham said about the place of torment, it's a fixed place no one can leave it. Luke 16:25-26 "But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us." There would be no purpose for Christ through the Spirit to preach to those imprisoned spirits, because they couldn't leave if they excepted the message.One last thought, why, would the Lord preach to these spirits and not to all the spirits that had been disobedient before Christ's time here on earth.
It would seem that Christ preached to these spirit in the time of Noah, while Noah was building the ark, because "Divine long-suffering" was waiting for them to repent while the ark was being built.
2 Peter 2:5 seem to help interpret the context of those verses. "and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bring in the flood on the world of the ungodly;" The context of this verse is judgement. Then if you look back at Genesis 6:3 it speaks of the Holy Spirit striving with man. "And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Darby translation says "plead" the NIV "contend", so it seem as though the Spirit of God was dealing with these wicked people (spirits), by Noah's preaching righteousness to them through the Spirit that raised Christ from the died.
But it wasn't the same opportunity of hearing the gospel we have heard, that He died to give us back to God, sins washed by the blood and done with. And the receiving of the Holy Spirit because of this, without which no one can be obedient from the heart and thereby actually have a clean conscience by walking in that Spirit.
Well maybe Jesus went down to Hell and preached to the spirits and many of the people who where destroyed in Sodom believed Jesus and where saved....... The ones that are in a worse condition then Sodom are those that reject the gospel truth of Jesus in this life time and remain in that rejection till the day they die... Certainly their ending in the eternal lake of fire will be much worse then the people of Sodom who spent some time in Hell...
Dcontroversal made a good point that he called the key .(#9)
My two cents. I would offer the reference in 1 Peter 3, is in respect to receiving the end of our faith that alone comes from hearing God. As it reads earlier in 1 Peter 1, the redemption of our souls.
It is part of the context of 1 Peter 3 having to do with prisoners who were released as the promised glory that followed ...it is finished . The graves of those prisoners were opened and many old testament saints who had the Spirit of Christ in them were awaiting the results of the trial of Christ .
Those (old testament saints) reflected the glory spoken of were moved to their abode in the new heavenly Jerusalem , the first resurrection. Many angel witnessed that event of their new spirits and soul entering that Holy City now that Christ had finished the work nothing could hold them .
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the "sufferings of Christ", and the glory that should follow.1 Peter 1:9-11
We simply look back to that manner of time and the glory that followed when those saints were released from what the scriptures call prison a sort of holding pen needed until the veil was rent .
The glory that did follow as it reads...
Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Mat 27:50
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 1Pe 3:18
It would seem to be saying he had preached the gospel to those born again spirits also who were in prison, just as us today who do not experience that temporal delay. Today for a believer to be absent of the body is to be present with those old testament saints, fast asleep waiting for the second resurrection on the last day judgment day for those who believe not.(no faith)
My two cents. I would offer the reference in 1 Peter 3, is in respect to receiving the end of our faith that alone comes from hearing God. As it reads earlier in 1 Peter 1, the redemption of our souls.
It is part of the context of 1 Peter 3 having to do with prisoners who were released as the promised glory that followed ...it is finished . The graves of those prisoners were opened and many old testament saints who had the Spirit of Christ in them were awaiting the results of the trial of Christ .
Those (old testament saints) reflected the glory spoken of were moved to their abode in the new heavenly Jerusalem , the first resurrection. Many angel witnessed that event of their new spirits and soul entering that Holy City now that Christ had finished the work nothing could hold them .
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the "sufferings of Christ", and the glory that should follow.1 Peter 1:9-11
We simply look back to that manner of time and the glory that followed when those saints were released from what the scriptures call prison a sort of holding pen needed until the veil was rent .
The glory that did follow as it reads...
Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Mat 27:50
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 1Pe 3:18
It would seem to be saying he had preached the gospel to those born again spirits also who were in prison, just as us today who do not experience that temporal delay. Today for a believer to be absent of the body is to be present with those old testament saints, fast asleep waiting for the second resurrection on the last day judgment day for those who believe not.(no faith)
The place where Jesus went after His death on the cross was a different place then hades, He went to a "holding place". Just my opinion here, but I believe that some of the people before the flood were trying to follow God but did not attain to the righteousness necessary in order to be saved from the flood, but could be saved by hearing the gospel. They had been in prison for around two thousand years so I bet they were very eager to accept Jesus as Savior.
For the idea that the angels are the sons of God of Genesis 6, angels can't have sex. Matthew 22:29-30 "Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven."
This is one of those places in the bible that seems to be a stalemate because you have scripture on both sides of the issue. Jesus clearly said that those who would get a new body would not marry or be given in marriage and would be equal to the angels. This has led to the assumption that angels of all ages and all types could never have sex, which of course contradicts the story in Genesis and Jude and Peter, where angels had sex with human women and were also punished by God for doing so. The story about SOME angels having had sex with women is so clear that I cannot in good conscience pretend that it does not say that. My opinion, in the past SOME angels were capable of having sex and did so with women even having children.