10 Reasons Sin Confession Is Questionable!!!
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I don't think most people who participate in these discussions believe that repentance means contrition and sorrow.
1) The two are not the same thing. One is GOD, the other is an idea in your mind. Can't focus on both without having a double mind.
2) So you do think that you have been perfected in righteousness.
1) The two are not the same thing. One is GOD, the other is an idea in your mind. Can't focus on both without having a double mind.
2) So you do think that you have been perfected in righteousness.
Salvation is multi-faceted. So all of this is what God does when He saves a person. Not only does the Holy Spirit enter the believer, but the believer's dead spirit is *quickened* by the Holy Spirit, and that makes him or her a new creation in Christ.
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Tit 3:4-7)
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Tit 3:4-7)
When Jesus became the final sacrifice for sin. There is no more offering for sin, hence all sin is forgiven through Christ. As scripture says, "where remission of these is, there is no more offering." If there is one sin that is not covered by the blood of the Lamb, we are yet condemned. If Christ is not risen (as Paul reasoned, 1 Corinthians 15:17), then our faith is vain and we are yet dead in our sins (presently). This means that the apostle Paul understood the sufficiency of Christ's atonement for all sin.
We do not need to say future sin. Let us live in the present. As soon as sin is committed it is past, it is behind us. So as long as you live, as soon as you sin, that sin is washed in the blood of Jesus Christ as if it is a rock in a waterfall. Continually cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ. He did one sacrifice for sin, one offering, and then sat down at the Father's right hand.
If all sin was not dealt with by His, Christ's, blood shed then Jesus would've had to suffer since the foundation of the world, being the sacrifice for sin (Hebrews 9:26). Yet, His blood is not common and He is the propitiation for our sins. He has perfected forever them that are being sanctified (Hebrews 10:14).
Sin through Christ has experienced remission, by the shedding of His blood (Hebrews 10:18).
We do not need to say future sin. Let us live in the present. As soon as sin is committed it is past, it is behind us. So as long as you live, as soon as you sin, that sin is washed in the blood of Jesus Christ as if it is a rock in a waterfall. Continually cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ. He did one sacrifice for sin, one offering, and then sat down at the Father's right hand.
If all sin was not dealt with by His, Christ's, blood shed then Jesus would've had to suffer since the foundation of the world, being the sacrifice for sin (Hebrews 9:26). Yet, His blood is not common and He is the propitiation for our sins. He has perfected forever them that are being sanctified (Hebrews 10:14).
Sin through Christ has experienced remission, by the shedding of His blood (Hebrews 10:18).
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Hebrews 10:10-18 King James Version (KJV)
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
I think that about covers it, haha.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
I think that about covers it, haha.
1 John 1:8-10
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."
In each of the verses in the passage above, the Greek word used is "ean", which means "if" or "possibly". It's a conditional conjunction. With all conditional conjunctions the condition must first be met in the conditional phrase/statement in order for the rest of the statement to be true.
Taking verse 8...
The two independent thoughts conjoined by "if" are:
1) We confess our sins (condition)
2) God to forgive our sins and cleans us of all unrighteousness (resulting statement)
The context of the verse is "God's faithfulness to forgive one's sins".
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."
In each of the verses in the passage above, the Greek word used is "ean", which means "if" or "possibly". It's a conditional conjunction. With all conditional conjunctions the condition must first be met in the conditional phrase/statement in order for the rest of the statement to be true.
Taking verse 8...
The two independent thoughts conjoined by "if" are:
1) We confess our sins (condition)
2) God to forgive our sins and cleans us of all unrighteousness (resulting statement)
The context of the verse is "God's faithfulness to forgive one's sins".
Yes, this is the Gospel to the unsaved. Repent because you are sinners in need of a Savior. Do not say you have no sin, you would call God a liar. Do not say Christ has not come in the flesh, I saw him with my own eyes (says John). The Messiah has come, in essence. Confess your sins! Admit your sinfulness and need for saving. He tells them that their fellowship is with God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ (they are being invited into this fellowship).
It looks to me to be an address of false notions about Christ and who they are in God's eyes. They are sinners in need of forgiveness, a forgiveness that the children of God have an Advocate for (1 John 2) because He is the propitiation for sin.
It looks to me to be an address of false notions about Christ and who they are in God's eyes. They are sinners in need of forgiveness, a forgiveness that the children of God have an Advocate for (1 John 2) because He is the propitiation for sin.
How can a sinner forget to confess all his sins since repentance implies a TURNING FROM sins and idols and a TURNING TO Christ for forgiveness and salvation? Repentance precedes remission of sins (Lk 24:47).
When a sinner cries to God "God be merciful to me a sinner" what do you think he is doing if not confessing his sinfulness and his sins? Jesus said "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance". This is not Easy Believism.
Would it not be a farce if a saint agrees that he has sinned without asking for forgiveness and repenting of those sins?
As Scripture says IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. So we should be careful to understand and also present exactly what is stated in Scripture.
There are serious consequences including and up to premature death. It does not mean we are no longer sons of God, but it does mean that we are wilfully sinning and will face the consequences.
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep [die]. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. (1 Cor 11:30-32).
This is definitely a part of failing to deal with our present sins.
You have obviously not been following this hypergrace fiasco as long as I have. Point blank, they deny that we need to confess our sins. And make amends, as Jesus said.
Hypergrace and Word Faith are both an overrealized eschatology. They repeatedly take promises meant for when we are made perfect, glorified, when Jesus returns, and apply them to Justification. Now, Justification is important! But it is our starting point.
I personally do not understand this teaching at all, focusing on your own righteousness. How do you change and grow, if you only focus on a future event? It makes no sense from a human point of view. How do you change and grow if you never come to grips with your weak areas, the one the Holy Spirit convicts me to change?
When I came to Christ, God changed me in some amazing ways. Things that I have literally never had to deal with again. Like drinking. God told me never again, and in 38 years I’ve never been tempted. So, I don’t have to confess that sin, I don’t have it anymore. BUT, many people have a different journey.
But God left me lots of stuff to work on! I cannot deny that. And he still continues to help me. And that comes about by prayer, by talking to God, and certainly asking him to help me with the obvious wrongs I have committed. I am so much closer to God, because of that process of confessing my sins. I am not losing my salvation, to feel sorry and contrite like David did, (nope, not going to even get into that stupid nonsense about dispensations, which is partly where a lot of this theological nonsense comes from.)
Point blank! The teachings of hypergrace and Word Faith are wrong on every level, and it includes this too!
I am so tired to the doublespeak, too! Certainly, repentance is NOT just a change of mind, that is a bad translation of the word metanoia. It means so much more than that. It means “turning from your sin.” And sometimes,that takes a long time!
I certainly wonder how hypergrace people even grow, when they can make the Bible say anything it wants, when they focuse on feeling good and the self, rather than the basic message of Christianity, which is Jesus dying on the cross for our sins. From Genesis 3 to Revelation we need to confess our sins. And hopefully, feel sorry enough to seek God to help us change, by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Hypergrace and Word Faith are both an overrealized eschatology. They repeatedly take promises meant for when we are made perfect, glorified, when Jesus returns, and apply them to Justification. Now, Justification is important! But it is our starting point.
I personally do not understand this teaching at all, focusing on your own righteousness. How do you change and grow, if you only focus on a future event? It makes no sense from a human point of view. How do you change and grow if you never come to grips with your weak areas, the one the Holy Spirit convicts me to change?
When I came to Christ, God changed me in some amazing ways. Things that I have literally never had to deal with again. Like drinking. God told me never again, and in 38 years I’ve never been tempted. So, I don’t have to confess that sin, I don’t have it anymore. BUT, many people have a different journey.
But God left me lots of stuff to work on! I cannot deny that. And he still continues to help me. And that comes about by prayer, by talking to God, and certainly asking him to help me with the obvious wrongs I have committed. I am so much closer to God, because of that process of confessing my sins. I am not losing my salvation, to feel sorry and contrite like David did, (nope, not going to even get into that stupid nonsense about dispensations, which is partly where a lot of this theological nonsense comes from.)
Point blank! The teachings of hypergrace and Word Faith are wrong on every level, and it includes this too!
I am so tired to the doublespeak, too! Certainly, repentance is NOT just a change of mind, that is a bad translation of the word metanoia. It means so much more than that. It means “turning from your sin.” And sometimes,that takes a long time!
I certainly wonder how hypergrace people even grow, when they can make the Bible say anything it wants, when they focuse on feeling good and the self, rather than the basic message of Christianity, which is Jesus dying on the cross for our sins. From Genesis 3 to Revelation we need to confess our sins. And hopefully, feel sorry enough to seek God to help us change, by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Hebrews 10:10-18 King James Version (KJV)
[FONT=&]10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:[/FONT]
[FONT=&]12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;[/FONT]
[FONT=&]13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,[/FONT]
[FONT=&]16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;[/FONT]
[FONT=&]17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
I think that about covers it, haha. [/FONT]
[FONT=&]10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:[/FONT]
[FONT=&]12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;[/FONT]
[FONT=&]13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,[/FONT]
[FONT=&]16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;[/FONT]
[FONT=&]17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
I think that about covers it, haha. [/FONT]
Agreeing with God and His word when it says; Reckoning the truth to be as He says it is... Reckon yourselves to be dead unto sin and alive unto God.... count it as FACT.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Consequently, from now on we estimate and regard no one from a purely human point of view [in terms of natural standards of value]. [No] even though we once did estimate Christ from a human viewpoint and as a man, yet now [we have such knowledge of Him that] we know Him no longer [in terms of the flesh]. [SUP](including ourselves)
17 [/SUP]Therefore if any person is [ingrafted] in Christ (the Messiah) he is a NEW CREATION (a new creature altogether); the old [previous moral and spiritual condition] has passed away. Behold, the fresh and new has come!
[SUP]
18 [/SUP]But all things are from God, Who through Jesus Christ reconciled us to Himself ,received us into favor BROUGHT US INTO HARMONY WITH HIMSELF and gave to us the ministry of reconciliation [that by word and deed we might aim to bring others into harmony with Him].
[SUP]
19 [/SUP]It was God [personally present] in Christ, reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against [men] their trespasses [but cancelling them], and committing to us the message of reconciliation (of the restoration to favor).
Each day we "repent" change our minds as to who we are now IN CHRIST
Gal.2:20
I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
Reckon it to be so and walk it out by faith daily.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Consequently, from now on we estimate and regard no one from a purely human point of view [in terms of natural standards of value]. [No] even though we once did estimate Christ from a human viewpoint and as a man, yet now [we have such knowledge of Him that] we know Him no longer [in terms of the flesh]. [SUP](including ourselves)
17 [/SUP]Therefore if any person is [ingrafted] in Christ (the Messiah) he is a NEW CREATION (a new creature altogether); the old [previous moral and spiritual condition] has passed away. Behold, the fresh and new has come!
[SUP]
18 [/SUP]But all things are from God, Who through Jesus Christ reconciled us to Himself ,received us into favor BROUGHT US INTO HARMONY WITH HIMSELF and gave to us the ministry of reconciliation [that by word and deed we might aim to bring others into harmony with Him].
[SUP]
19 [/SUP]It was God [personally present] in Christ, reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against [men] their trespasses [but cancelling them], and committing to us the message of reconciliation (of the restoration to favor).
Each day we "repent" change our minds as to who we are now IN CHRIST
Gal.2:20
I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
Reckon it to be so and walk it out by faith daily.
That just speaks of there not being a guilty verdict against those "in Christ" that would cause them to incur GOD's wrath. It says nothing about sins we might commit along the way. I hope you don't think that "in Christ" means that Christians can do whatever they want and not incur the risk of falling away from being "in Christ".
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what does 'ways of the spirit' mean exactly?
it is true there is no condemnation to those in Christ, but walking after the Spirit does not mean a personal interpretation of the words of Christ or forgetting them altogether
how anyone can dismiss asking forgiveness from those we have sinned against or recognizing our sins and changing our ways, is beyond the comprehension of any reasonable person IMO
maybe you don't mean it the way it sounds, but I know some here mean exactly that
if I don't understand you, please correct me, but I know some here think 'it's all good all the time'
it is true there is no condemnation to those in Christ, but walking after the Spirit does not mean a personal interpretation of the words of Christ or forgetting them altogether
how anyone can dismiss asking forgiveness from those we have sinned against or recognizing our sins and changing our ways, is beyond the comprehension of any reasonable person IMO
maybe you don't mean it the way it sounds, but I know some here mean exactly that
if I don't understand you, please correct me, but I know some here think 'it's all good all the time'
If you actually paid attention to my posts all of what you said, your critiques and judgments, would be refuted. You once said you were led astray and almost stayed in the so called trap of what so may here now believe (and share). How wrong you are. They preach the truth, yes the Truth. Christ and Him crucified. People here do not make the bible say whatever it is they want. Look at the verses, look at the context. Judge their exegesis and hermenuitics. What is there to refute? Where is your rebuttal?
You say that we are opposed to sin confession, repentance, and sanctification but in fact I have only affirmed them (all throughout my posts in this thread). The issue is trying to tie forgiveness with such, and that is where you go contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ (as a believer).
Being for the doctrine that forgiveness is not something we seek but accept (from God), does negate the reality of repentance, sin confession (being open with the Lord), and sanctification. That we are forgiven is a foundation that is of great importance in walking out the other three components here mentioned. We grow because God sanctifies us. We grow because it is our desire to grow in righteousness and holiness. We grow because we are saddened by sin, and its consequences. We choose life! And God so gives it to us through His Son, Jesus Christ.
You bring accusations against us, fellow believers in Christ, and yet what is preached does not align with your defamation towards us. If I am telling you that you have wrongly concluded such things against me, why do you continue to espouse such falsehoods? I am telling you, your accusation is false. Will you raise it again? Then you have wronged me, because I have shown them to be false and now you sow discord instead of unity (agreement with the truth).
You say that we are opposed to sin confession, repentance, and sanctification but in fact I have only affirmed them (all throughout my posts in this thread). The issue is trying to tie forgiveness with such, and that is where you go contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ (as a believer).
Being for the doctrine that forgiveness is not something we seek but accept (from God), does negate the reality of repentance, sin confession (being open with the Lord), and sanctification. That we are forgiven is a foundation that is of great importance in walking out the other three components here mentioned. We grow because God sanctifies us. We grow because it is our desire to grow in righteousness and holiness. We grow because we are saddened by sin, and its consequences. We choose life! And God so gives it to us through His Son, Jesus Christ.
You bring accusations against us, fellow believers in Christ, and yet what is preached does not align with your defamation towards us. If I am telling you that you have wrongly concluded such things against me, why do you continue to espouse such falsehoods? I am telling you, your accusation is false. Will you raise it again? Then you have wronged me, because I have shown them to be false and now you sow discord instead of unity (agreement with the truth).
I do not believe I recalled every single sin I had ever committed at the time I became born again. And, again, God did not tell me to confess my sin to be saved. God told me to confess Jesus Christ as Lord in my life and believe in my heart that He raised Jesus Christ from the dead.
Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
What Scripture did you believe when you were born again? Rom 10:9-10 was what someone told me when I was witnessed to and became born again.
According to you, all I have to do is cry out "God be merciful to me a sinner". No expression of sorrow or remorse. Just a plea to God to be merciful because I'm a sinner.
And what if I forget about one of the sins committed? If I confess to God that I gossiped (backbiting) about someone but forget to confess that I held anger in my heart toward someone else, does God only forgive the gossip? God does not forgive the anger?
Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
What Scripture did you believe when you were born again? Rom 10:9-10 was what someone told me when I was witnessed to and became born again.
According to you, all I have to do is cry out "God be merciful to me a sinner". No expression of sorrow or remorse. Just a plea to God to be merciful because I'm a sinner.
And what if I forget about one of the sins committed? If I confess to God that I gossiped (backbiting) about someone but forget to confess that I held anger in my heart toward someone else, does God only forgive the gossip? God does not forgive the anger?