100 Percent Proof that there is No Rapture

[Hizikyah]

If one believes a pre-trib rapture and it doesn't happen, they may lose faith.... just in time for the anti-Messiah, very dangerous ground...

and satan is very deceitful...

The pre-trib doctrine was never preached before around 1830, and is in place to get people to accept the anti-Messiah, they will be told "meeting Christ in the air is not literal, it's is a higher state of consciousness." The UN has been publishing magazines about thier coming "cosmic christ" for 40 years or something, called "Matreyu." You need to look into "PROJECT BLUE BEAM," they plan on using hologram technology to fake the second coming, and this is no cracker-jack attempt, it real and it's real serious. Many will fall for it if it happens.

Mattithyah 24:21-22, "For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning of the world to this time--no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."

Mattithyah 24:29-31, "Immediately, but after the tribulation of those days will the sun be darkened, and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His malakim with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of earth to the other."

1 Corinthians 15:50-54, "Now I say this brothers: that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Yahweh; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.Behold, I show you a secret truth: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible will have put on incorruption, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will be brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory."

Mattithyah 24:24-25, "For there will arise false messiahs and false prophets who will show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they would deceive the very elect. Behold, I have warned you beforehand!"

Here are some links

CNN Hologram TV First - YouTube

CNN Will I Am Hologram, First time on TV - YouTube

223 - The New Age Agenda - Amazing Discoveries TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEMZc_UXefg

Project Blue Beam By Serge Monast (1994)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvv2HPYdhMA

 

[Jason0047]

The term rapture comes from the Greek word harpazo, which means "to seize, catch away, catch up, pluck, pull, take by force" (1 Thessalonians 4:17). The Hebrew equivalent is the word natzal. It is the time when the Lord will come for His own, when Jesus will descend through the stratosphere and take those of us who have trusted in Him to be with Himself. It is imminent, it can happen at any moment; it can happen today, it can happen ten years from now. We do not know when it will be, but it could happen at any time. And so, the prophecy of the Feast of Trumpets will be fulfilled in the Rapture of the Church. It has not yet been fulfilled. We are still in the period between Pentecost and Trumpets in God's prophetic calendar.

However, one of the biggest misunderstandings of the Rapture I found is that it is confused with the Second coming of Christ or what I would like to call the "2nd Rapture". This confusion usually stems from a person not fully grasping the necessary different steps in marriage and how it relates to Christ and His Bride (i.e. the church). For the 1st Rapture is the actual call to the marriage itself and the 2nd Rapture (i.e. The Second Coming) is the call to the marriage supper.

But, whatever position you hold on the Rapture, I think it is safe to assume that most of us here will all agree that the Lord's Rapture of His church is analogous to marriage in some way and that there is some kind of call announcing it.

In fact, there is a great New Testament passage that talks about marriage and a call being made. It is the parable of the Ten Virgins (Matthew 25:1-13). A parable that is about a bridegroom putting out the call for marriage and ten virgins being properly ready for that call so that they could take part in his wedding ceremony. For these virgins did not know the hour of his call for they were surprised at midnight by it while they were asleep. They had to be ready with enough oil in their lamps in order to see and walk at night in order to reach the location of the wedding ceremony. In other words, Christians are the Brides who have to be properly prepared for the call of their Bridegroom, who is Christ. For He could come at an hour or a day that they do not know.

In addition, the Scriptures also tells us about a wedding and a call going forth within the Old Testament, too.

For According to Genesis 41:45 and Psalm 81:3, Joseph had blown the trumpet on the new moon during the feast day through out the land of Egypt just after receiving permission to marry Asenath.

So when Joseph went out through the land of Egypt:

• Genesis 41:45-46 (Joseph had received Asenath to marry)

And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnathpaaneah; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt. And Joseph was thirty years old when he stood before Pharaoh king of Egypt. And Joseph went out from the presence of Pharaoh, and went through out all the land of Egypt.


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• Psalm 81:3-5 (Joseph had blown the trumpet on feast day within the new moon)

Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day. For this was a statute for Israel, and a law of the God of Jacob. This he ordained in Joseph for a testimony, when he went out through the land of Egypt: where I heard a language that I understood not.


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Wow, isn't that amazing? Here we have the receiving of the bride and the blowing of the trumpet on the new moon within the feast of days. A wedding and a trumpet call both being made!

Now, is there any significance to this Feast of Days and this New Moon in relation to the Rapture?

I believe there is. In accordance with the ancient Jews:

The feast of days mentioned here in the Bible is the Jewish Feast of Trumpets.

It is also called the Yom Teruah, and it is the day that is marked on most calendars as Rosh Hashanah and is followed ten days later by the Day of Atonement. Yom Teruah means “Day of Shouting” and can refer to the shout of a trumpet or a voice. It’s a day of remembrance and shouting, or Zicharon Teruah meaning remembrance shouting.

Now, before looking further into the theological meaning of the Feast of the Trumpets, it might be well to clarify how this feast became known as Rosh Hashanah, "the beginning of the year," though it was observed on the first day of the seventh month.

The answer to this apparent contradiction is found in the fact that the Jews had both a religious and civil calendar. The religious calendar, which regulated the festivals, began in the spring, in accordance with God’s command at the time of the Exodus: "This month shall be for you the beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year for your" (Exodus 12:2) (Deuteronomy 16:1). The first month in the religious year was the month in which the Israelites left Egypt and celebrated Passover, the feast of their redemption. It was originally called Abib "the month of the ears," but after the Babylonian exile was named Nisan. It began at our new moon of our March or April.

The civil and agricultural year, as well as the sabbatical and jubilee years, began in the autumn with the seventh month, which after the Babylonian exile became known as Tishri. If it seems strange that the Jews should begin their civil year on the seventh month, it may be well to remember that even in our society the fiscal year for many organizations begins in other months than January.

However, the seasonal cycle of nature came to an end with the fall harvest, which marked also the beginning of a new agricultural cycle with the return of the early rains that softened the ground for plowing which was done in October and November. This contributed to place the beginning of the civil and agricultural year on the month of Tishri, though it was the seven month with respect to Nisan. Thus the Jews had a double reckoning, the religious year beginning with the first month and the civil year beginning with the seven month; And the beginning of this seventh month or start of the agricultural new year is celebrated with the Feast of Trumpets.

According to Jewish customs: Here are some interesting parallels of the Feast of Trumpets that can be found in the Rapture:

• Feast of Trumpets functions for several different reasons and one of these reasons is to proclaim the resurrection of the dead with the shofar (Talmud, Rosh HaShanah 16bhttp://halakhah.com/pdf/moed/Rosh_HaShanah.pdf)

• Feast of Trumpets is also called "Yom HaKeseh, which means: "The Day of the Hiding" or "the Hidden Day." (http://www.his-forever.com/yom_hakes...hidden_day.htm)

• Feast of Trumpets is called the Last Trump (For there are three shofarim or horns: The first trump is Pentecost, the last trump is the Feast of Trumpets, and the great trump is the Day of Atonement).

What was the importance of the Trumpet and the New Moon with the passages above involving Joseph? Well, the ancient Hebrews celebrated the Feast of Trumpets for two days because they did not know the exact day or hour the new moon would appear. So just as the saints in the Old Testament did not know the day or hour the new moon would happen on the Feast of Trumpets, the New Testament saints today do not know the day or hour the Rapture is going to happen; And just as the traditional Hebrew is the only one to participate in the Feast of Trumpets, the true born again Christian during the right time is the only one who will participate in the 1st Rapture.

 

[Hizikyah]

What was the importance of the Trumpet and the New Moon with the passages above involving Joseph? Well, the ancient Hebrews celebrated the Feast of Trumpets for two days because they did not know the exact day or hour the new moon would appear. So just as the saints in the Old Testament did not know the day or hour the new moon would happen on the Feast of Trumpets, the New Testament saints today do not know the day or hour the Rapture is going to happen; And just as the traditional Hebrew is the only one to participate in the Feast of Trumpets, the true born again Christian during the right time is the only one who will participate in the 1st Rapture.

Having the Feast for 2 days was something the pharisees did because when they were in babylon they used a different calendar, once back in Israel they never returned to Yahweh calendar. Instead keeping the man made calendar and even enforcing, upon threat of death, that all would honor on the day(s) they said.

It is recorded in the talmud that the pharisees killed a prophet of Yah because he kept the feast on the day the Scriptures say, an not on the day the rabbis say...

 

[Jason0047]

If one believes a pre-trib rapture and it doesn't happen, they may lose faith....

Honestly, if the Antichrist appeared tomorrow, I would not lose my faith. Many believers have misunderstood God's Word and did not walk away from Christ because they did not view Scripture right. Somebody with a weak spurious or weak faith might. But then again, that would not be a faith that would be rooted in God's Word as told to us in the Parable of the Sower.

Those who are weak in the faith will be weak in the faith.

So yeah. Not really buying that one.

 

[Hizikyah]

Honestly, if the Antichrist appeared tomorrow, I would not lose my faith. Many believers have misunderstood God's Word and did not walk away from Christ because they did not view Scripture right. Somebody with a weak spurious or weak faith might. But then again, that would not be a faith that would be rooted in God's Word as told to us in the Parable of the Sower.

Those who are weak in the faith will be weak in the faith.

So yeah. Not really buying that one.

So there is no way that some one believing that there is a pre-trib could think they have been lied to and lose faith or weaken faith?

If they believed the pre-trib that strongly would they not a at least a small measure of faith?

I dont see this as impossible.

 

[Jason0047]

and in Scripture where can I find 2 "raptures"

See Post #33 for the 1st Rapture (i.e. the Pre-Trib Rapture).
Then see Post #35 for the 2nd Rapture (i.e. the Gathering of the Elect at Christ's 2nd Coming to fight at the Battle of Armageddon).

 

[veryelect]

What was the importance of the Trumpet and the New Moon with the passages above involving Joseph? Well, the ancient Hebrews celebrated the Feast of Trumpets for two days because they did not know the exact day or hour the new moon would appear. So just as the saints in the Old Testament did not know the day or hour the new moon would happen on the Feast of Trumpets, the New Testament saints today do not know the day or hour the Rapture is going to happen; And just as the traditional Hebrew is the only one to participate in the Feast of Trumpets, the true born again Christian during the right time is the only one who will participate in the 1st Rapture.

Keep in mind that no matter how you look at it or what comparisons are made, that Paul straightened it all out in 2nd Thessalonians 2. Also, keep in mind that as far as new moons and times appointed are concerned, that prophesies given in months, moons, or night are related to satan. Prophesies given in days are related to GOD'S children. That may be a warning.

 

[Jason0047]

So there is no way that some one believing that there is a pre-trib could think they have been lied to and lose faith or weaken faith?

If they believed the pre-trib that strongly would they not a at least a small measure of faith?

I dont see this as impossible.

That's like someone losing their faith because they got a flat tire or had a really bad day. If such a person were to lose faith for such a reason, they really were not strong in the faith to begin with. So no. I am not buying it.

 

[Jason0047]

If a person believes post trib, and is living out their faith, they will be passed over if the Rapture is pre trib? The call to be prepared is not exclusive to a pre trib view. There is nothing to gain or loose either way... Unless a person only takes the judgment of God seriously, but would not live rightly otherwise, and that is not a Spirit filled motivation, but the simply self preservation.

Please consider the verses and points I made in Post #42.

 

[Hizikyah]

See Post #33 for the 1st Rapture (i.e. the Pre-Trib Rapture).
Then see Post #35 for the 2nd Rapture (i.e. the Gathering of the Elect at Christ's 2nd Coming to fight at the Battle of Armageddon).

I disagree there, 100% Im nobody, but I have studied the passages in question.

That's like someone losing their faith because they got a flat tire or had a really bad day. If such a person were to lose faith for such a reason, they really were not strong in the faith to begin with. So no. I am not buying it.

I disagree and think it is possible, but I respect your view, and answering my question.

 

[veryelect]

Jason, it was a serious pleasure having that debate with you. Please read the 'Disproving the rapture' file with a critical eye and you may see that there is no rapture.

Thank you

 

[veryelect]

I do not believe in a rapture, because it is not a word that appears in the Bible. To say nothing of the tortorous twistings of pre-mill dispensationalists.

But you lost me at "Scholars all believe that Paul wrote Hebrews!" NOT! While several hundred years ago, Paul was thought to have written Hebrews no one believes that in the academic world these days.

For one, Paul consistently identified himself at the introduction to his letters, and Hebrews does not do that.

The second thing is that the writing is very inconsistent and different from Pauls' writing style and language. Even an amanenuesis would not make as big a difference as the difference between Paul's known letters and Hebrews.

And sorry, Strong's is over 100 years old. Try to find a newer source for you word studies.

But thanks for trying to debunk this recent myth of the rapture.

To my knowledge, I have not heard that scholars have changed their opinion as to whether Paul wrote Hebrews. However, if you read 'Disproving the rapture', you will see that comment is just helpful in disproving 1st Thessalonians 4:17 as a rapture verse. The rapture is disproved by the overall context of what is written in the file, not by the debate over 1st Thessalonians 4:17. Disproving that verse was just about being thorough. Thanks for reading my post also!

 

[sveinen]

going up to ChristTheHoly Thing thing? MIGHT BE GOING ON STILL
Seek He while He is to be found.
"love like you know He's worth it."

 

[Chopper]

I'm curious as to what the big deal is as far as whether or not there is one or two raptures, and what the significance of that is when we, as being the children of Elohim, should want to shout it from the rooftops with praise and thanksgiving of the blessings He has poured out upon us, and live with earnest desire to live to see the day when our ha'Mashiah ascends from the shamayim with a shout at the last trump, and followed by a host of His messengers comes to meet us in the air, where we shall be changed from corruptible to incorruptible, from mortal to immortal.

I don't know about you, but I want to see that day, and I do not care if I have to go through the great tribulation to do it, to be counted worthy to suffer for His sake is a huge blessing in itself, not to mention the reward for those who do suffer for His sake.

We should hope to persevere, and endure through all to see that great day, and we all will, some through the resurrection, some shall not taste death at all. Imagine, if you are asleep in the earth, and you know nothing, and you are raised up again, it will be as though you had just went to sleep and are waking up again, to see Him coming in the clouds.

oh, that we should all desire for that great day, letting everyone that we see know of His soon coming with gladness and joy in our hearts, saying blessed is He who comes in the name of ha'Mashiah Yahushua.

 

[biscuit]

Jason, it was a serious pleasure having that debate with you. Please read the 'Disproving the rapture' file with a critical eye and you may see that there is no rapture.

Thank you

...and no one is really taking you seriously!! I wonder why? The last chapter of the NT is the Book of Revelation, specifically inspired by Jesus Christ Himself to the Apostle John. It was Jesus' message to His faithful followers indicating their future with Him and also relaying that He will not forget them in their time of need.

If you can't find the chapters or verses indicating His promise to protect them and call them home ... then you haven't read the Book of Revelation at all. And don't expect me to do your work for you!! If you spend as much time with links as you should with Revelation, you will find the answer regarding the Rapture.

Posters say that rapture isn't in the bible ...the word bible isn't in the Scriptures???? Regarding the rapture hoax of 1830, the rapture doctrine is nearly 2000 years old and started with the first group of early Christians as early as 60AD.


Have a good night.

 

[veryelect]

I'm curious as to what the big deal is as far as whether or not there is one or two raptures, and what the significance of that is when we, as being the children of Elohim, should want to shout it from the rooftops with praise and thanksgiving of the blessings He has poured out upon us, and live with earnest desire to live to see the day when our ha'Mashiah ascends from the shamayim with a shout at the last trump, and followed by a host of His messengers comes to meet us in the air, where we shall be changed from corruptible to incorruptible, from mortal to immortal.

I don't know about you, but I want to see that day, and I do not care if I have to go through the great tribulation to do it, to be counted worthy to suffer for His sake is a huge blessing in itself, not to mention the reward for those who do suffer for His sake.

We should hope to persevere, and endure through all to see that great day, and we all will, some through the resurrection, some shall not taste death at all. Imagine, if you are asleep in the earth, and you know nothing, and you are raised up again, it will be as though you had just went to sleep and are waking up again, to see Him coming in the clouds.

oh, that we should all desire for that great day, letting everyone that we see know of His soon coming with gladness and joy in our hearts, saying blessed is He who comes in the name of ha'Mashiah Yahushua.

It's important because satan has the purpose of getting everyone he can on his side and he does that by deception. The end time is all about deception. We don't want our brothers and sisters to fall into the hands of that deceitful arch angel because they did not study the letter that GOD wrote to us (The Bible). That is why we are shouting it right now as we speak. This post is a shouting! We are watchmen and that is our job.

 

[Chopper]

... The end time is all about deception....

I beg to differ, as it all started with deception, and there is no victory in deception, only separation and death.
The end time is all about His return to set up His Kingdom here on earth that we might be in His presence where He has wanted us to be all along. We are the bride being prepared for the wedding.

 

[biscuit]

I beg to differ, as it all started with deception, and there is no victory in deception, only separation and death.
The end time is all about His return to set up His Kingdom here on earth that we might be in His presence where He has wanted us to be all along. We are the bride being prepared for the wedding.

Amen !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[veryelect]

...and no one is really taking you seriously!! I wonder why? The last chapter of the NT is the Book of Revelation, specifically inspired by Jesus Christ Himself to the Apostle John. It was Jesus' message to His faithful followers indicating their future with Him and also relaying that He will not forget them in their time of need.

If you can't find the chapters or verses indicating His promise to protect them and call them home ... then you haven't read the Book of Revelation at all. And don't expect me to do your work for you!! If you spend as much time with links as you should with Revelation, you will find the answer regarding the Rapture.

Posters say that rapture isn't in the bible ...the word bible isn't in the Scriptures???? Regarding the rapture hoax of 1830, the rapture doctrine is nearly 2000 years old and started with the first group of early Christians as early as 60AD.


Have a good night.

Those that are protected are the Elect. The ones who will see and know the Truth. They know or will know that satan comes first. It's our job to shout it to them. That is the reason for posts like this one. Just like the parables are written to those with eyes to see and ears to hear, this verse tells those written in the book of life at the foundation who will worship satan.
The word wonder in this verse is the same as worship.

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

And as far as those who do not care, here is what GOD says HE will do to them:

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Those verses are right after Paul tells them not to be deceived into thinking that CHRIST comes before satan. The reason it is so important is that satan comes as JESUS to steal your soul. If you know that Truth, then satan can't deceive you. It would also mean that your name was written at the foundation of this world and that you ARE Elect.

 

[veryelect]

I beg to differ, as it all started with deception, and there is no victory in deception, only separation and death.
The end time is all about His return to set up His Kingdom here on earth that we might be in His presence where He has wanted us to be all along. We are the bride being prepared for the wedding.

This is the first warning from JESUS in the end time chapter of Matthew 24. It is warning the Bride that another will come in the Grooms name.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.