It's an interesting debate but don't get caught up in it. I think our priorities should be winning souls to Christ and not so much trying to prove who's right and wrong about the age of the earth. 
What of the dinosaurs?
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It was realising theres another story to science like the age of the earth, how dinosaurs fit in to the big picture etc. that made me question what I believed.
According to God He made dinosaurs at one point . read ( Job ) : if you take the behemoth , to be one.
And the description of it hints in that direction.
It has a long tail, as long as a cedar tree. That fits a dinosaur like the one they recently found in Argentina .
The dates well, then that would mean the earth is older. Which is okay with me; since the Bible does not bother with a date for the age of the earth itself. Anyone can read Genesis 1:1 and see there's no date given.
Only way you can fit a date in that, is if its forced into the scriptures. So, enjoy the dinosaur ,God created it. .( Not evolution ).
And the description of it hints in that direction.
It has a long tail, as long as a cedar tree. That fits a dinosaur like the one they recently found in Argentina .
The dates well, then that would mean the earth is older. Which is okay with me; since the Bible does not bother with a date for the age of the earth itself. Anyone can read Genesis 1:1 and see there's no date given.
Only way you can fit a date in that, is if its forced into the scriptures. So, enjoy the dinosaur ,God created it. .( Not evolution ).
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Thanks Dan58 for this above point, which is mine as well. (Although I don't subscribe particularly to the 3 ages theory you mention).
The reason people think the Bible should be talking about dinosaurs is because they think the Bible talks about the origins of planet earth and outer space and so forth and then all the way to the present and beyond. They did not listen to the Bible which tells them that it is written as a parable (Psalm 78:2), so they read the Bible as a surface text, looking for things like dinosaurs. Jesus tells us in Mark 4 that all these things (Bible things) are done in parables, and without a parable spake he not unto them (Mark 4:34). People who are without (unsaved) read the Bible but it is a parable which they do not understand (Mark 4:11-12). The way to interpret the Bible is to compare scripture with scripture (spiritual words with spiritual words) (1 Corinthians 2:13). Consider Genesis' "In the beginning" time. Did you know that the tribulation period spoken of in Jeremiah 4 is the time when the earth is without form and void: "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it waswithoutform, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."(Jeremiah 4:23) Even if you find a dinosaur (possibly in Job 40:17) or any other animal in the surface text of the Bible it does not mean that the message being conveyed is the surface text message. Most animals in the Bible are merely pictures of people. Are there birds in the mountains? (that's really people in Christ). Is there an ox treading grain? (That's someone sharing the word with believers). Is there a goat or a sheep being slain? (Christ the sacrifice)
I would tell anyone asking about why dinosaurs are not more frequent in the Bible, or why the Bible says the earth was made in a few short days, to consider that the Bible is written in parable form and the surface text must be interpreted to get at the true meaning. It may not be saying that planet earth is so young after all. The Bible is really trying to convey God's salvation plan, and not how old the planet is.
The reason people think the Bible should be talking about dinosaurs is because they think the Bible talks about the origins of planet earth and outer space and so forth and then all the way to the present and beyond. They did not listen to the Bible which tells them that it is written as a parable (Psalm 78:2), so they read the Bible as a surface text, looking for things like dinosaurs. Jesus tells us in Mark 4 that all these things (Bible things) are done in parables, and without a parable spake he not unto them (Mark 4:34). People who are without (unsaved) read the Bible but it is a parable which they do not understand (Mark 4:11-12). The way to interpret the Bible is to compare scripture with scripture (spiritual words with spiritual words) (1 Corinthians 2:13). Consider Genesis' "In the beginning" time. Did you know that the tribulation period spoken of in Jeremiah 4 is the time when the earth is without form and void: "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it waswithoutform, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."(Jeremiah 4:23) Even if you find a dinosaur (possibly in Job 40:17) or any other animal in the surface text of the Bible it does not mean that the message being conveyed is the surface text message. Most animals in the Bible are merely pictures of people. Are there birds in the mountains? (that's really people in Christ). Is there an ox treading grain? (That's someone sharing the word with believers). Is there a goat or a sheep being slain? (Christ the sacrifice)
I would tell anyone asking about why dinosaurs are not more frequent in the Bible, or why the Bible says the earth was made in a few short days, to consider that the Bible is written in parable form and the surface text must be interpreted to get at the true meaning. It may not be saying that planet earth is so young after all. The Bible is really trying to convey God's salvation plan, and not how old the planet is.
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Why it's call faith not sight, believing... If we know it all, why would we need faith? If we knew for factual evidence, that would make us doubters, God loves believers, Why do we have smiley jeffery dohmers, why do we have heros, that will save us from burning buildings? (Firemen) good example...how are people not seeing a child laugh, or malicious intent on the public in general ..what most at top call (human resource) where's the humanity? ... I use this guy a lot, because this guy invented and figured out a lot of things with his calculations... Most weren't good things though, just saying..
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Blain, the Bible as we know it does not describe every incident of man being killed by an animal unless it was relevant to God’s word. Take Jonah for instance, he was swallowed by a fish. We accept it is a whale because at the current age of the earth a whale will suit the bill, but 4 000 years ago there could have been other fish that was just as big.
I am not a big fan of books that was left out of the Bible but an interesting book to read is The Book of Jasher. In this book the process of selecting the animals by Noah is described and it explains to us that there were certain animals left from the ark for a specific reason. Read it, don’t read it but at least it helped me to kept my sanity The other point to consider is that animals were killed and extinct by humans. You have the dodo that was recently extinct, the rhino that has a very real threat of being extinct ect. If you look at cave painting in France and Australia you will see Rhinos on the walls but I am not sure when last they saw a wild rhino in those parts. Maybe our local atheist friend Percepi will tell you millions of years ago but I seriously doubt it
I am in conversation (almost daily) with atheists and the one thing that I can promise you is that they do not care about your evidence (or lack thereof). The Christian and atheist journey is one that will always fascinate me because in the one we accept a higher Deity creating us and in the other one we are the higher deity evolving by chance.
I am not a big fan of books that was left out of the Bible but an interesting book to read is The Book of Jasher. In this book the process of selecting the animals by Noah is described and it explains to us that there were certain animals left from the ark for a specific reason. Read it, don’t read it but at least it helped me to kept my sanity
The other point to consider is that animals were killed and extinct by humans. You have the dodo that was recently extinct, the rhino that has a very real threat of being extinct ect. If you look at cave painting in France and Australia you will see Rhinos on the walls but I am not sure when last they saw a wild rhino in those parts. Maybe our local atheist friend Percepi will tell you millions of years ago but I seriously doubt it I am in conversation (almost daily) with atheists and the one thing that I can promise you is that they do not care about your evidence (or lack thereof). The Christian and atheist journey is one that will always fascinate me because in the one we accept a higher Deity creating us and in the other one we are the higher deity evolving by chance.
M
I take the bible literally word for word and I believe the world is many millions of years old. I believe there was an actual Adam and Eve but there were dinosours before people that were extinct before Adam and Eve. This doesn't contradict the bible because the original audience of genesis were people that had a very limited concept of time and the term day was just meant to be a fixed point in time.
if we are to take genesis 1 literally we must take john 6 literally and believe in Transubstantiation of the Eucharist and we must take james 2 literally and denounce sola Fieda
if we are to take genesis 1 literally we must take john 6 literally and believe in Transubstantiation of the Eucharist and we must take james 2 literally and denounce sola Fieda
Funny thing about the dinosaurs that totally disproves the Old Earth Myth is that such creatures are described and depicted throughout the world and throughout time from the BC to the mid 1000s AD. The word dinosaur and the fancy Old Earth Myth behind them were not invented until the 1800s AD. Before, such creatures were called dragons, wyrms, serpents, etc. These creatures are mentioned in a historical context by such authors as Herodotus, Thucydides, Pliny the Elder, Marco Polo, etc. They are also mentioned sparsely throughout the Bible as well. Apart from numerous historical mention of the dinosaurs there is also many artifact evidences depicting dinosaurs as well, which supports the fact these animals were contemporary to the various time eras of the ancients.
Ah well the thing with Leviathan is it is unclear whether or not Leviathan is a dinosaur proper or not considerring it is a type of massive sea creature. Is certainly possible, but it is also possible it could be something different all together as the oceans still hold many mysterious creatures. Only about 5% of the oceans have been explored even in this time era.
C
It's an interesting debate but don't get caught up in it. I think our priorities should be winning souls to Christ and not so much trying to prove who's right and wrong about the age of the earth.
Paul often contrasted Adam with Christ, and if millions of years of death and suffering preceded Adam then death did not enter the world through Adam. Death was already here and God called it very good after the sixth day.
The creation account is the foundation of all theology. God created all land animals on the 6th day along with man. They were to eat plants and there was no death (Gen. 1:29-30).
Creationists are doing a wonderful job proclaiming the truth of Genesis, and we need to talk about this often. I believe this is the single greatest cause for the deterioration of the church.
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If millions of years of death and suffering and cancer and cannibalism existed before Adam, that means God called cancer and suffering and cannibalism and death "very good." For that's how He described his creation after the sixth day was completed.
Yet Genesis says that originally animals were not designed to cannibalize one another, nor even eat one another. They were to eat plant based diets (Gen. 1:29-30).
It's also interesting that at the end of the age, they will return to this vegetarian diet, according to Isaiah.
When we disregard Genesis, all theology becomes obscure and difficult to understand. We can't ignore the foundation of the Bible.
Yet Genesis says that originally animals were not designed to cannibalize one another, nor even eat one another. They were to eat plant based diets (Gen. 1:29-30).
It's also interesting that at the end of the age, they will return to this vegetarian diet, according to Isaiah.
When we disregard Genesis, all theology becomes obscure and difficult to understand. We can't ignore the foundation of the Bible.
C
There's a great video series that was just released by ICR (Institute for Creation Research). I would highly recommend it. 12 total DVD lessons, and a study guide come with it. You'll be more than equipped afterward.
Here's the website where you can order.
Unlocking the Mysteries of Genesis | A 12-Part Series on the Science of Creation
And here are video clips from each episode.
Unlocking the Mysteries of Genesis | Watch Clips
There's one on dinosaurs and one on fossils.
Every church library needs this curriculum.
Here's the website where you can order.
Unlocking the Mysteries of Genesis | A 12-Part Series on the Science of Creation
And here are video clips from each episode.
Unlocking the Mysteries of Genesis | Watch Clips
There's one on dinosaurs and one on fossils.
Chaos or Cosmos?
What Is Life?
What Is Man?
Buried Clues
Flood or Fiction?
Age of Earth
Dinosaurs!
The Ice Age
Rise of Civilization
Origin of the Universe
Uniqueness of Earth
The Big Picture
Science and Scripture
What Is Life?
What Is Man?
Buried Clues
Flood or Fiction?
Age of Earth
Dinosaurs!
The Ice Age
Rise of Civilization
Origin of the Universe
Uniqueness of Earth
The Big Picture
Science and Scripture
Every church library needs this curriculum.
M
Dinosaurs ARE mentioned in the Bible but not by the name dinosaur which is a relatively new word.
I'm not sure what I believe about the age of the earth, sometimes I'm convinced it's young and other times old so I guess for the jury's still out on that one. Plenty of argument for both. As others have said it's important for the atheist to understand such matters before he/she will consider God. For the Christian not so much, you cannot deny someone who has changed you so profoundly.
I'm not sure what I believe about the age of the earth, sometimes I'm convinced it's young and other times old so I guess for the jury's still out on that one. Plenty of argument for both. As others have said it's important for the atheist to understand such matters before he/she will consider God. For the Christian not so much, you cannot deny someone who has changed you so profoundly.
What about dinosaurs and cavemen living millions of years ago?
1. God and His Word does not lie (Yet mankind lies to live without God).
2. It takes faith (Once a person takes that step of faith, then they can see or know the truth in time).
3. Everyone has a type of faith of some kind. Atheists do not have proof of anything; But they have faith there is no God.
4. History is signt unseen. You need a time machine to prove dino's lived millions of years old theory.
5. Facts can be twisted to whatever your faith is. So if you believe God's Word, then cavemen are not really cavemen, etc.
6. God's Word is trust worthy and gives us accurate Science and History;
(Why doubt it's account about the age of the Earth and dinosaurs?)
7. Dinosaurs are called "dragons" in the Bible.
8. There are many reports of dragons thru out history.
9. The Dracorex Fossil's head looks like the dragons from myth and legend.
10. Baby dinosaurs were called onto the Ark.
11. The breaking up of the deep during the Global Flood caused volcanic activity in the Earth's oceans and caused an Ice Age to wipe out most (but not all) of the Dino's.
12. Job describes two dinosaurs. The Behemoth and the Leviathan.
13. Zircon crystals deep beneath the Earth's surface prove the Earth to be appx. 6000 years old.
14. As for the Leviathan breathing fire: The Bombardier Beetle can shoot super hot toxic gas that does not destroy itself. Cows can burp methane gas and kids have been known to light their burps on fire.
15. With God, nothing is impossible.
Those of you who have not accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior, repent of your sins and accept Him as your Savior (While there is still time). Jesus loves you and wants to be your friend.
1. God and His Word does not lie (Yet mankind lies to live without God).
2. It takes faith (Once a person takes that step of faith, then they can see or know the truth in time).
3. Everyone has a type of faith of some kind. Atheists do not have proof of anything; But they have faith there is no God.
4. History is signt unseen. You need a time machine to prove dino's lived millions of years old theory.
5. Facts can be twisted to whatever your faith is. So if you believe God's Word, then cavemen are not really cavemen, etc.
6. God's Word is trust worthy and gives us accurate Science and History;
(Why doubt it's account about the age of the Earth and dinosaurs?)
7. Dinosaurs are called "dragons" in the Bible.
8. There are many reports of dragons thru out history.
9. The Dracorex Fossil's head looks like the dragons from myth and legend.
10. Baby dinosaurs were called onto the Ark.
11. The breaking up of the deep during the Global Flood caused volcanic activity in the Earth's oceans and caused an Ice Age to wipe out most (but not all) of the Dino's.
12. Job describes two dinosaurs. The Behemoth and the Leviathan.
13. Zircon crystals deep beneath the Earth's surface prove the Earth to be appx. 6000 years old.
14. As for the Leviathan breathing fire: The Bombardier Beetle can shoot super hot toxic gas that does not destroy itself. Cows can burp methane gas and kids have been known to light their burps on fire.
15. With God, nothing is impossible.
Those of you who have not accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior, repent of your sins and accept Him as your Savior (While there is still time). Jesus loves you and wants to be your friend.
Thanks for that.
I was brainwashed throughout my education years, and so are many today. Science has been declared off limits to God, the One who caused the basis of all science. I repented. And that was before the many evidences against evolution these days. Satan has infected too many bright minds such that his victims must compromise the plain truth of God.
Jesus and the apostles supported the Genesis account literally, citing it as basis for much of Christian doctrine. If you play around in that long enough, you will lose the basis of your salvation. You will be found arguing with Jesus our Christ. I will trust Jesus and His apostles more than the brightest modern mind. Children of the Dewvil are on a mission to harvest souls for Hell.
Research the claims of scoffers yourself. Look at the ICR evidence of yet organic remains of blood components in dinosaur bones. It is unimanageable that over millions of years any organic compound, or any residue in the bone marrow, could contain characteristics of organic material! It must long ago have been replaced with mineral substances. But that didn't happen. The academic rules prevented slicing up dinosaur bones because of their rarity, In these days of ours some researchers with fine reputation and ability dare to defy the rules of academia, as set by Satan himself. Look at the evidence for yourself. Know that TRUTH is offered by God in nature, and in His word recorded long ago.
Beware of the "CHRISTIAN BAITERS". They seek to capture your soul. Believe the word of God literally until that Word expressly indicates there is some analogy involved. The Genesis account of creation doesn't indicate analogies. Any analogies exist in the minds of confused humans at odds with God, in favor of human science, AKA "Humanism".
I was brainwashed throughout my education years, and so are many today. Science has been declared off limits to God, the One who caused the basis of all science. I repented. And that was before the many evidences against evolution these days. Satan has infected too many bright minds such that his victims must compromise the plain truth of God.
Jesus and the apostles supported the Genesis account literally, citing it as basis for much of Christian doctrine. If you play around in that long enough, you will lose the basis of your salvation. You will be found arguing with Jesus our Christ. I will trust Jesus and His apostles more than the brightest modern mind. Children of the Dewvil are on a mission to harvest souls for Hell.
Research the claims of scoffers yourself. Look at the ICR evidence of yet organic remains of blood components in dinosaur bones. It is unimanageable that over millions of years any organic compound, or any residue in the bone marrow, could contain characteristics of organic material! It must long ago have been replaced with mineral substances. But that didn't happen. The academic rules prevented slicing up dinosaur bones because of their rarity, In these days of ours some researchers with fine reputation and ability dare to defy the rules of academia, as set by Satan himself. Look at the evidence for yourself. Know that TRUTH is offered by God in nature, and in His word recorded long ago.
Beware of the "CHRISTIAN BAITERS". They seek to capture your soul. Believe the word of God literally until that Word expressly indicates there is some analogy involved. The Genesis account of creation doesn't indicate analogies. Any analogies exist in the minds of confused humans at odds with God, in favor of human science, AKA "Humanism".