What of the dinosaurs?

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And the logical thinking and deductive reasoning associated with this post is what, exactly?
Your mouthy comments and ignorance impresses no one but your self....If I remember right I didn't say too much when I posted that...so keep on flapping your judgmental lips Jack, because at the end of the day all you have done is cut and paste what other men believe and or have said...so go have some of your T Rex flavored turkey which you seem to be obsessed with.....I also suggest a study of the words... Moronic, Ignorant and Stupidity!
 
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I like this thread. Best one on CC.

Are you afraid of learning something?

With Thanksgiving rapidly approaching, a pertinent topic for this thread might be:

Did T. rex taste like turkey?

If you believe YEC propaganda, T. rex and the other dinosaurs lived from around 6,000 years ago to after the global flood. Let’s say to 4,000 years ago. Noah and his family obviously had some association with dinosaurs, if you believe YEC propaganda. Incidentally, I can’t wait until Ken Ham gets this life-sized Noah’s ark built. So send him money (he needs $73 million) if you haven’t already so we can get this boat built and on the road 'er I mean in the water.

My question is, did Noah and his family and some of their descendents dine on dino for Thanksgiving, and did it taste like turkey?

If so, how did they bag a T. rex? I know how to bag a turkey, and I’m not talking at Walmart.

After spending hours researching this subject, I can’t find an answer. All I can find is articles about whether T. rex tasted like chicken. Like this one:

Did T. Rex Taste Like Chicken? | DiscoverMagazine.com

I know YECs don’t generally read articles if they are not from Institute for Creation, Answers in Genesis, or Creation Ministries International, but this one might be worth a look.

Many of you are somewhat familiar with the 68-million-year old dinosaur fossil referred to in the article. The dinosaur-bird link is also of some interest.
Evolutionary bull is all around us, you can't avoid it. You have to purposefully hunt down research that counters this worldview. How about researching some of this yourself and then you'll learn what biblical creationists really say and believe. Are you afraid of learning something new? Heck, yes! You are! I don't accept evolutionary bull just because. I'm big on critical thinking. I believe that there needs to be more than one option for discussion. Science used to be about quality dialogue of opposing ideas. Now it's just a Yes man's playboy club. If evolutionary theories are so air-tight, why do people who believe such things get so angry and defensive? If your beliefs are so strong, you shouldn't have to defend them. They should be able to hold up on their own. And I'm sorry, but they just don't. You've come to your own conclusions, I've come to mine. But please don't continue with the Flintstones comparison when you talk about biblical creationists, it makes you look desperate and silly.
 
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if dinos were whiped out 600 million years ago...
That's 65 million years ago.

Free-To-Be said:
... and man is only 200 millions years old...
The estimate sits at about 200,000 years. You are off the mark again.

Free-To-Be said:
... how come we have lots of dino and man footprints together?
I know of one instance where a series of dinosaur prints was found and photographed and some year later someone carved a human toe impression into one of the sets to make it look as if humans had been present. Every example you can find is fraudulent, and is demonstrably a fake. Fortunately real scientists found them first and photographed their finds only to have some of them tampered with later.
 
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Evolutionary bull is all around us, you can't avoid it. You have to purposefully hunt down research that counters this worldview.

I'm big on critical thinking.
No, you don't have to hunt down YEC propaganda. Not since you and others here are obsessed with giving us links to it. As in, post #4 on his thread where you say, "Here are the names of some excellent Christian organizations" and you link to CMI, AiG, and ICR.

No, you are not big on critical thinking. If you were, we would see some evidence of it. Same for dccontroversal who bragged about his critical thinking.

I don't understand why you and dccontroveral erupt into such hissy fits.

Can't you find a dinosaur to ride?

Try Dr. Dino's Dinosaur Adventure Land or Ken Ham's Creation Museum.
 
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Works isn't really about money doc, it's just about giving, and helping.
The point is the author of James (perhaps James, the brother of Jesus?) did not believe that salvation came by faith alone.

James 2:14. What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
 
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Tintin said:
I'm big on critical thinking.
Then explain why no DNA has been extracted from dinosaur remains, but is retrievable from Neanderthals? If they are the same age, or even close in age, why can we get lots of DNA from the one but not from the other?
 
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How about researching some of this yourself and then you'll learn what biblical creationists really say and believe.
Can you provide some examples in which we misconstrue what creation science argues? Furthermore, are you and everyone else here willing to admit you're wrong about what evolution is (since nearly every word from creationists about evolution is wrong).

Are you afraid of learning something new? Heck, yes!
We accept evolution because it's where the evidence leads us. If there's legitimate evidence disproving evolution, then we have nothing to lose by changing our minds. Creationists, on the other hand, can not allow themselves to admit creationism to be false because doing so would force them to admit that the Bible, or their understanding of it, is wrong.

Creation science isn't built on evidence, but built on the assumption that the Bible is both literal and unquestionably true. Therefore, creationists believe all evidence MUST point to creationism because the Bible is true. But the reality is that evidence does not point towards literal creation, it points towards evolution.

Creationists don't reject evolution due to lack of evidence, but because accepting evolution would counter the literal interpretation of Genesis. It really is that simple.

I don't accept evolutionary bull just because. I'm big on critical thinking.
Critical thinking requires you to admit that it's possible your own views might be wrong and it requires you to be open to changing your views. Are you willing to admit that it's possible the literal interpretation of the Bible might be wrong? If so, are you willing to change your views in the light of evidence?

If you answered, "I will never even consider that the literal interpretation of the Bible is wrong because I know for a fact that it's not", then you are not using critical thinking skills to come to your conclusion.

I believe that there needs to be more than one option for discussion. Science used to be about quality dialogue of opposing ideas.
No, science is a very particular method in which we evaluate reality. If something doesn't abide by scientific methodology, such as creationism, then there's absolutely zero reason for it to be discussed. And I know, you want to talk about how evolution isn't actually science - but the problem is that you constantly ignore everything we say about evolution being scientific. We tell you about how evolution is verified through science and you simply scoff it off as untrue without using any valid arguments what-so-ever. Every time creationists are corrected, they simply move onto another anti-evolutionary claim without addressing who is right or wrong about their previous claim that's been debunked.

Here's a video that honestly does mirror what it feels like debating creationists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBHEsEshhLs

Creationist makes claim A.
Evolutionist makes counter argument to claim A.
Creationist makes claim B - failing to address the counter argument to claim A.
Evolutionist makes counter argument to Claim B.
Creationist makes claim C - failing to address the counter argument to claim B.
Evolutionist makes counter argument to Claim C.
Creationist makes claim A.
Evolutionist explains he already made a counter argument to claim A.
Creationist makes claim B.
Evolutionist explains he already made a counter argument to claim B.

If evolutionary theories are so air-tight, why do people who believe such things get so angry and defensive?
See above.

If your beliefs are so strong, you shouldn't have to defend them.
If creationists didn't spread misinformation, we wouldn't bother. But they do.

They should be able to hold up on their own.
If people are misinformed about what evolution is, then evolution must be defended and those who don't understand be corrected. Furthermore, if a group of people are going to reject science based solely on the assumption that anything that contradicts their Bible must automatically be considered wrong, then there's also more need to defend is since no idea can hold its own against assumptions.
 
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The point is the author of James (perhaps James, the brother of Jesus?) did not believe that salvation came by faith alone.

James 2:14. What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
Help isn't works ? It is... Anything, and I mean anything, rather it be taking the time to listen to someone's problems and giving them Godly advice, is works. Giving five dollars to people who are poverty stricken is works. Giving someone help with their bags to their home is works, giving someone a hug, a prayer, and telling them that Jesus loves them is works. Giving is works.. I can go on and on..
 
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Help isn't works ? It is... Anything, and I mean anything, rather it be taking the time to listen to someone's problems and giving them Godly advice, is works. Giving five dollars to people who are poverty stricken is works. Giving someone help with their bags to their home is works, giving someone a hug, a prayer, and telling them that Jesus loves them is works. Giving is works.. I can go on and on..
That's fine, but not by faith alone.
 
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if dinos were whiped out 600 million years ago, and man is only 200 millions years old how come we have lots of dino and man footprints together? Why are 90% or more fossils of dinos all in the same shape gasping for air with there necks creaked up?
Why do we have the same fossil through every rock layer? If t rex was a plant/root eater what kind of teeth ya think he would need?
When a large vertebrate dies, it typically ends up on one side or the other. When the muscles contract after death, this arches the back. The jaw typically drops down.

This has been published for over 80 years.

Johannes Weigelt
1929 Recent Vertebrate Carcasses and their Paleobiological Implications. The University of Chicago Press.

Scavengers can also rearrange the skeleton- most commonly removing legs. For a short tutorial, see: Stones and Bones: Faunal Taphonomy
 
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if dinos were whiped out 600 million years ago, and man is only 200 millions years old how come we have lots of dino and man footprints together?
Actually, there are no valid examples of human and dinosaur footprints found together. There are a number of exposed frauds. For a list, see paleontologist Glen J. Kuban's website: Paluxy Dinosaur/"Man Track" controversy, by Glen J. Kuban (Dinosaur & "Human" Footprints, Paluxy tracks)

One I exposed was the "The Alvis Delk Print."

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Each color marks a fine sand lens. You must have walked on a beach, or a muddy garden. How could two footprints be formed without any mixing of the sand and mud layers? The answer is that they cannot. But, you can carve through them, and use battery acid to "age" the fake.
 
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Creation science isn't built on evidence, but built on the assumption that the Bible is both literal and unquestionably true.
What specific part(s) of the Biblical Creation description do you disagree with...?
 

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Literally all of it.
Critical thinking requires you to admit that it's possible your own views might be wrong and it requires you to be open to changing your views. Are you willing to admit that it's possible the conclusions of scientists might be wrong? If so, are you willing to change your views in the light of evidence?

If you answered, "I will never even consider that the conclusions of scientists to be wrong because I know for a fact that it's not", then you are not using critical thinking skills to come to your conclusion.:)
 
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"Can't you find a dinosaur to ride?"


I like this idiom above

So many riding their dinosaurs .... variations of the dead theory of evolution

No one pays much attention to them anymore in today's world ..... no time, no interest, too many other distractions, and too much self absorption

Ask on the street corner today and they will say .... what? .... don't even know what you are talking about

People today don't even know where Europe is much less anything about evolutionary theory .... they just do not care where they came from

All of the digging, creating hoax, pictures of this thing and that .... all much to-do about nothing .... all of this has become a dinosaur

The post modern world is lost in itself and ripe for judgment .... man's greatest threat is his own self centered ego

Running around chasing rainbows .... clamoring for the self indulgence of folly with no meaning at the bottom

Their is a way that seems right to a man which will only bring him death .... so walks the unregenerate human in self deception

Looking for everything under the sun, but finding nothing at the end of the road

Human intellect is a silent killer .... thinking to be wise one becomes a fool

All riding on their dead dinosaurs of every kind

Listen to this and head the calling:


Psalms
2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.


Seek the Lord of creation Jesus Christ and garner a future for yourself instead of floundering around in your own intellectual muck .... time is of the essence for a man who lives a short trouble filled life and then turns to dust

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Seek and find the only One who can guarantee your eternal future

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Critical thinking requires you to admit that it's possible your own views might be wrong and it requires you to be open to changing your views. Are you willing to admit that it's possible the conclusions of scientists might be wrong? If so, are you willing to change your views in the light of evidence?

If you answered, "I will never even consider that the conclusions of scientists to be wrong because I know for a fact that it's not", then you are not using critical thinking skills to come to your conclusion.:)
How does your second paragraph not describe Young Earth Creationists who have been posting on this thread?

There are may Christians who accept evolution.

The overwhelming body of scientific evidence indicates that non-avian dinosaurs became extinct more than 65 million years ago. YECs generally say it was 4,000 to 6,000 years ago and concoct all sorts of nonsense to support their position, like footprints of dinosaurs and humans together and dino DNA. Even when those claims are totally debunked, the YECs keep right on making the claims. The proof is in the pudding, and right here on this thread.

If the overwhelming body of scientific evidence indicated T. rex and humans coexisted, then I would go with that.

So show me the fossils found of T. rex and a human found together, with the human's bones all crushed up by T. rex. Show me the evidence that those fossils are 6,000 or so years old. Once that is verified by reputable scientists, yeah, I'll believe it.
 
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"There are may Christians who accept evolution"

Impossible

..... but maybe these you say [Revelation 3:15-19]
 
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"There are may Christians who accept evolution"

Impossible

..... but maybe these you say [Revelation 3:15-19]
It's not a salvation issue but it totally can become one. At the very least it's a huge stumbling block for many.