What of the dinosaurs?

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oldernotwiser

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St. Augustine did believe some weird things but he wasn't a false teacher. That's a gross generalization, emphasis on 'gross'.
God's wisdom is the way to go, yes, but the KJV Bible isn't the answer. God's Word is. Any reasonable translation will suffice.

he was simply a man of his time.
 
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This thread needs to die, like the dinosaurs that died out thousands of years ago.
I like this thread. Best one on CC.

Are you afraid of learning something?

With Thanksgiving rapidly approaching, a pertinent topic for this thread might be:

Did T. rex taste like turkey?

If you believe YEC propaganda, T. rex and the other dinosaurs lived from around 6,000 years ago to after the global flood. Let’s say to 4,000 years ago. Noah and his family obviously had some association with dinosaurs, if you believe YEC propaganda. Incidentally, I can’t wait until Ken Ham gets this life-sized Noah’s ark built. So send him money (he needs $73 million) if you haven’t already so we can get this boat built and on the road 'er I mean in the water.

My question is, did Noah and his family and some of their descendents dine on dino for Thanksgiving, and did it taste like turkey?

If so, how did they bag a T. rex? I know how to bag a turkey, and I’m not talking at Walmart.

After spending hours researching this subject, I can’t find an answer. All I can find is articles about whether T. rex tasted like chicken. Like this one:

Did T. Rex Taste Like Chicken? | DiscoverMagazine.com

I know YECs don’t generally read articles if they are not from Institute for Creation, Answers in Genesis, or Creation Ministries International, but this one might be worth a look.

Many of you are somewhat familiar with the 68-million-year old dinosaur fossil referred to in the article. The dinosaur-bird link is also of some interest.
 
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Evolution could only exist by defying known laws of physics. We know man can't possibly prove evolution over millions of years in the past. The idea is a spawn of atheism, a flight from responsibility towards holy God.
In that you are both a scientist and a theology expert, what in your opinion is the single most important archaeological discovery in the history of the world, with respect to the Bible
 
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I would never ask "how much." Remember Mark 12:42-43,
and,
Matthew 6
5. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

and,

James 2:14. What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
15. If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16. and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
17. Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
18. But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."

These ideas obviously led to the problems of "indulgences" sold to anyone wealthy enough. But, they are still in the Bible.
Works isn't really about money doc, it's just about giving, and helping. What if the faithful didn't have a coat, but helped the brother or sister to a nice warm dwelling ? It's the the thought and heart that count. You could have a billion dollars, not a cent of it will help you get to Jesus or heaven. People do this all the time, live in crime taking money from some, but give some of it to relatives, churches, schools, so forth, like crime syndicates do. They want to be able to live with themselves, in a false reality.
Once having Jesus, the Spirit will lead to what one should do, and how they should do it.
 
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if dinos were whiped out 600 million years ago, and man is only 200 millions years old how come we have lots of dino and man footprints together? Why are 90% or more fossils of dinos all in the same shape gasping for air with there necks creaked up?
Why do we have the same fossil through every rock layer? If t rex was a plant/root eater what kind of teeth ya think he would need?
 
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if dinos were whiped out 600 million years ago, and man is only 200 millions years old how come we have lots of dino and man footprints together? Why are 90% or more fossils of dinos all in the same shape gasping for air with there necks creaked up?
Why do we have the same fossil through every rock layer? If t rex was a plant/root eater what kind of teeth ya think he would need?
Don't worry...the highly educated ones will argue with you rank and file......They have pieces of paper on the wall that states that they know something, and that makes them smarter than the average Joe!
 
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Sure. Trust what ever priest or preacher wants your tithe. Definitely don't think on your own. Science is the cold study of reality. It won't fit the warm "give me money and go to Heaven" priestly message.
For being educated and from a "traditional Christian background" your statements belie the fact that you are ignorant of basic Christian tenants.....as the bolded in your remarks have not been taught by the men I know who teach in like 25 different states and about 7-10 different countries!
 
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I am still waiting on a logical answer to my question.....

Re: What of the dinosaurs?

Originally Posted by Dr_GS_Hurd

I think the easiest path to atheism is Bible, or Q'uran study coupled with discussions with fervent creationists.

I still stuggle to maintain a properly scientific agnostic perspective.


My Quote begins here!

Full Definition of AGNOSTIC 1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable

If you are really agnostic by definition then your view and what you believe and teach is a total farce because according to your belief ANY REALITY (including the age of the earth, dino bones and evolution to name a few ) is UNKNOWN and probably UNKNOWABLE....

So....you argue that which you do not know and or cannot know according your own testimony!

How does that jive with your most highly prized education, and boast concerning your education, and what you say you know....Just asking?​
 
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kennethcadwell

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For being educated and from a "traditional Christian background" your statements belie the fact that you are ignorant of basic Christian tenants.....as the bolded in your remarks have not been taught by the men I know who teach in like 25 different states and about 7-10 different countries!

Same here, none of the churches that I know of accept for the JW's around here teach you have to tithe to go to heaven.
The JW's are the only ones who constantly have come to my door saying you have to go to church, tithe, do this, or do that to go to heaven. If you don't you don't truthfully believe is what they preach.

None of the others I know teach a buy your way into heaven philosophy.
 
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Same here, none of the churches that I know of accept for the JW's around here teach you have to tithe to go to heaven.
The JW's are the only ones who constantly have come to my door saying you have to go to church, tithe, do this, or do that to go to heaven. If you don't you don't truthfully believe is what they preach.

None of the others I know teach a buy your way into heaven philosophy.
Just wondering do you tithe and what do the churches preach on it?
 
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Tintin said:
This thread needs to die, like the dinosaurs that died out thousands of years ago.
Tintin, sometimes we skeptics just "got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight" (from Bruce Cockburn album, Stealing Fire).
 
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Works isn't really about money doc, it's just about giving, and helping. What if the faithful didn't have a coat, but helped the brother or sister to a nice warm dwelling ? It's the the thought and heart that count. You could have a billion dollars, not a cent of it will help you get to Jesus or heaven. People do this all the time, live in crime taking money from some, but give some of it to relatives, churches, schools, so forth, like crime syndicates do. They want to be able to live with themselves, in a false reality.
Once having Jesus, the Spirit will lead to what one should do, and how they should do it.
The sale of "indulgences" was one of the great objections that Martin Luther raised. The notion that salvation could be bought outraged him. I agree with him.
 
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The sale of "indulgences" was one of the great objections that Martin Luther raised. The notion that salvation could be bought outraged him. I agree with him.

I agree with this for sure....See... when you say something smart and correct I will actually agree with you ;) hahhahha
 
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"Take it up with St. Augustine when you get the chance."


Now I see part of your dilemma Hurd .... you are looking at pseudo-Christianity and not biblical Christianity

Augustine was false teacher

Try the real deal .... burn your books and related

Turn to your Creator

Buy a KJV Bible and study your self approved .... only then will you know the truth

Your current off course striving is a dead ended road

.... and your time is short
If you don't like Augustine, here are some others. I arranged them in a reverse temporal order.

Stones and Bones: Adrian Miller, Part 3: What Wiser Christians Have Said
 
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They (creationists) insist that either their personally active deity had left a "perfect" record of events, or that there is no God at all. This is the ultimate stupidity of creationism. They demand that their god is false if there is the least difference between their biblical fabrications and the real world revealed by science.
... and history.

I believe this was the route by which I became an atheist. I was not taught that science and history must match scripture, but it was implied. When I found a different reality my confidence in God's existence was called into question.

I would like to ask the creationists here whether this is also true for them. Must evolution and other areas of science be proclaimed false for God to be true? If you (creationists) discovered evolution was real would this finding invalidate God in your minds?
 
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... and history.

I believe this was the route by which I became an atheist. I was not taught that science and history must match scripture, but it was implied. When I found a different reality my confidence in God's existence was called into question.

I would like to ask the creationists here whether this is also true for them. Must evolution and other areas of science be proclaimed false for God to be true? If you (creationists) discovered evolution was real would this finding invalidate God in your minds?
Look Cycel and Dr. H.......

Both accounts fail to acknowledge a few things that the bible states about our world, cosmos etc.

1. The things made are not made of what they appear to be made of.
2. The ways of God are past finding out by (scientific) worldly wisdom.
3. By faith we understand that God framed the worlds.

Evolution as applied unto creation is a farce as there are no missing links to be found....evolution which means change is proven when it comes to life in this essence....A city gets built and the animals that have normally resided where the city is being built change and adapt their life around the city being built which is witnessed all of the time with deer, coyotes, raccoons etc.

Science cannot even fully explain dark matter, the so-called God particle and until recently most believed in 3 to 5 dimensions and now it seems like there are 9 to 10 dimensions possible, which to me seems plausible due to the fact that atoms vibrate at certain frequencies...

No matter how much we argue back and forth about God or no God, creation and or evolution the bible will always come down to faith period....I am a logical thinker who uses deductive reasoning all of the time and after many years in the (field) in the woods observing nature and this grand experiment of life under the sun....I have come to the conclusion that God is and this is all according to his plan.
 
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if dinos were whiped out 600 million years ago, and man is only 200 millions years old how come we have lots of dino and man footprints together?
65 million years ago not 600.

So let's see your evidence of fossils of dinosaur and footprints together.