Athiesm & Charles Darwin

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Charles Darwin was not only racist, but influenced Eugenics in Nazi Germany through his writings! Worldview influences morality. The atheistic

worldview isn't only bankrupt internally, but according to the conscience God has placed in each of us - evil!


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Today, there are people who support Eugenics, and justify it from an atheistic world view. If you think about it carefully - if all we are is purposeless chemical accidents (unguided accidents) - human value, and the value of a head of lettuce are equal. Value doesn't actually exist. It's just relatively imposed.


But if God is true, and if we are made in his image - then we do have intrinsic value, purpose and worth, and Eugenics is evil.

I realise there are HEAPS of atheists that reject Eugenics and hate it - but I don't see how that's coherent from a philosophical perspective.


Atheism necessitates objective worthlessness. Relative value can be ascribed; but its all relative. Objective value doesnt exist. Objective purpose doesn't exist.

This is what leads to racism and eugenics.

No doubt deviations from Christianity lead to all kinds of atrocities too - misrepresentations of Jesus teachings.

Hitler did that - and the Catholic church did too. But you never judge a world view or a religion by its misrepresentation.

Atheism represented accurately necessitates objective worthlessness. Purpose doesn't exist.

In other words, there is no different between a human being and a head of lettuce if atheism is true.



The word purpose means; 'the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists.'

In order to have reason, you have to have a mind. The word reason means; 'to think, understand, and form judgments logically. An explanation, or justification about something.'

If humanity has a purpose - it must come from a mind that gave humanity that purpose. An intelligent designer.

If there is no designer - there is no purpose.

We can ascribe relative, subjective purpose to ourselves - but it's ultimately meaningless. It's not a real purpose - it's a purpose that we made up for ourselves. Anyone can create a new purpose that is just as valid.


To whom does the survival of our species matter? If our species goes extinct, no one will be there to care. It's meaningless.

I know why it matters in the biblical world view. But if we are cosmic chemical accidents it's all meaningless.


Relative purpose does exist. The logical consequences of relative purpose is that one person can't say their purpose is any better than anyone else - because it's all relative.

If one person believes the purpose for humanity is to destroy the spec of dust we call earth with nuclear weapons - and another wants to preserve it - there is no objective purpose that governs which one is right.

Someone might say - well whatever helps the most people, but that's just an opinion.

We live our lives with purpose and morals as though objective purpose and morality exist - those things only make sense in a theistic world view.

An atheist can have morals, but an atheist can't justify objective morals. Only relative morals. Which can't be lived out consistently.


Atheism can't justify an objective standard of morality. It's philosophically incoherent. Right and wrong are relative, it's just an opinion.

I believe God has given us all a conscience, so whether we believe in God or not, we all have a moral compass - but when it comes to internal consistency - Christianity can justify an objective moral standard (the designer established the laws for his system), but atheism can't (we are cosmic chemical accidents, highly evolved primordial soup, our brains fizz with chemicals, and our decisions and thoughts are a result of unguided accidents).


Usually things that are designed - are designed for a reason. But it's always the case that if something has purpose - it has someone who attributed that purpose to it.

Our morality doesn't come from a book. God wrote his law on our hearts. Before Moses wrote Genesis - we knew right from wrong - our morality isn't based from a book. But it is given to us by God.

The laws about stoning were national laws for Israel. You have to group the laws of the Old Testament and understand them in the right context. Moral laws, National laws, Ceremonial laws - they're all different and are treated differently. Than covenant comes into the equation too.

Yeah if someone didn't care about hell - they could live a horrible life. But my point was all about justifying morality coherently. If someone isn't logically compatible - there is a problem with that world view.
 
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Amen, and I bet Darwin has a different view right now......like wishing he had glass of ice water!
 

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We can ascribe relative, subjective purpose to ourselves - but it's ultimately meaningless. It's not a real purpose - it's a purpose that we made up for ourselves. Anyone can create a new purpose that is just as valid.


A lot of atheists have difficulties in understanding this simple, elementary logic.

They agree with you that life is purposeless, but when you say "that also applies to your life", they change the page and abstract themselves from their own view. How lame.

 
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Darwin even questioned his own theories
 
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A lot of atheists have difficulties in understanding this simple, elementary logic.

They agree with you that life is purposeless, but when you say "that also applies to your life", they change the page and abstract themselves from their own view. How lame.

No-one likes to be told they don't matter and that they have no purpose, even if that's what their beliefs/worldview teaches. Consistency goes out the window because deep, down in the very depths of our being, we know that there's a God and that there's something missing in our lives without Him.
 
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I find it quite amusing how they add "relativism" to their thinking. If relativism were truth then no one would ever do anything wrong because "good and evil" is only relative to the particular person. You can't put me in jail for killing someone because in my mind "they deserved to die". It's relative to the situation which you don't know the whole truth about. "Sorry he is dead he can't tell you his side of the relative truth".
 
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A lot of atheists have difficulties in understanding this simple, elementary logic.

They agree with you that life is purposeless, but when you say "that also applies to your life", they change the page and abstract themselves from their own view. How lame.


Those who claim to be such beliefs live such an empty empty existence never realising their full potential because they don't know God or God's plan for their life. I can only look at them and feel sorry for them.
 
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Those who claim to be such beliefs live such an empty empty existence never realising their full potential because they don't know God or God's plan for their life. I can only look at them and feel sorry for them.
You could ask God for his heart so you would feel for them heading into a lost eternity. Some one else might beat you to though.
If we spent as much time with God alone in the quite place, we would be feeling that way and doing something about it. As oppossed to trying to prove them wrong and pitying them and feelong sorry for them. We need to hurt for them. You cant pray for your city because its a sinfull city. You pray for them from a heart that crys for them. Not a kid on crying. As Christ does crying.

But dont be hurt by this post. There is no condemnation in Christ. He loves you.

Your perfect to Him Now.
 
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Atheism is the reason why we have homo marriage and abortion.
 
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Really Kerry? I'm atheist and I'm not a homosexual nor do I support abortion.

Care to explain?
 

GuessWho

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Really Kerry? I'm atheist and I'm not a homosexual nor do I support abortion.

Care to explain?
In general, atheists are supporting homosexuality and abortion. No one said there can't be exceptions.
 

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Interesting... Reading that backwards, are you saying that all Christians think they deserve to go to hell?

Yes, we as Christians believe that none are righteous. We have all committed sin (breaking a moral standard, that is not subjective) The wages of sin is death.

However the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, the promised Saviour was to save us from that and instead give us eternal life and forge in us a relationship with God priorly separated.
 
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Yes, we as Christians believe that none are righteous. We have all committed sin (breaking a moral standard, that is not subjective) The wages of sin is death.

However the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, the promised Saviour was to save us from that and instead give us eternal life and forge in us a relationship with God priorly separated.
So let me get this straight. You believe you deserve to be punished in hell.
 
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Actually Erasmus Darwin, Darwin's grandfather was an open Atheist who had an Idea about a Big bang type theory and Evolution - to say he had no influence would be foolish.

Haagel - who promoted that embryos follow the evolutionary line, was a German Scientist who promoted favored races. He actually was against Luis Pasteur as well stating that if spontaneous generation was false, he's have to believe in a creator
 

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So let me get this straight. You believe you deserve to be punished in hell.
Where did you come up with this conclusion? Christians are looking for the Final Resurrection and the Kingdom of God that is to come.

The emphasis on hell and heaven as distinct places where one goes after he dies, is a catholic doctrine. The Jews didn't believe it, the early christians didn't believe it.

In order to make it more clear to you, the Christians are waiting for the life after we are resurrected. A life where we won't be spirits, but will be given new bodies.
 
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Where did you come up with this conclusion? Christians are looking for the Final Resurrection and the Kingdom of God that is to come.

The emphasis on hell and heaven as distinct places where one goes after he dies, is a catholic doctrine. The Jews didn't believe it, the early christians didn't believe it.

In order to make it more clear to you, the Christians are waiting for the life after we are resurrected. A life where we won't be spirits, but will be given new bodies.
Its been alluded to in this very thread and other discussions on this forum.