Athiesm & Charles Darwin

[Percepi]

Moreover, the evolution theory, if true, would relieve mankind of any moral responsibility to the Creator.

If evolution is true and God is real, then no it wouldn't.

In proposing “survival of the fittest,” the theory no doubt prepared the ground for Marxism, Fascism, and other ideologies to take root.

Even if Marxism, fascism, and other ideologies were based on evolution theory, it wouldn't disprove evolution. That's like saying, "Scientists claim some animals eat their young, which justifies people to eat babies! Reject this theory!" But, let's be real - accepting evolution does not lead to any kind of political or economical system. It might lead a few idiotic people to support eugenics, but evolution is mostly used to help create medicines and vaccines to help those who are sick or born with certain defects (which shows that science can be used for good and evil).

The advocates of evolution must bear a heavy responsibility for much of the godlessness and suffering in the world today.

This statement means to me what Muslim claims of Christianity being evil means to you - that is to say, it means nothing.

—Psalm 14:1-4

Most people, including scientists, who accept evolution in America and Europe are Christians.

 

[Dr_GS_Hurd]

But according to Darwin we evolved from animals so by "natural evolution"/extension it would apply to humans.

Darwin writes in The Descent of Man that “a most important obstacle in civilized countries to an increase in the number of men of a superior class” is the tendency of society’s “very poor and reckless”, who are “often degraded by vice”, to increase faster than “the provident and generally virtuous members”.’

Do you know that you are lying? Why are you so lazy, and without respect or honor? Do you know? You can read the actual text, Google Play

Here is the relevant copy,

A most important obstacle in civilized countries to an increase in the number of men of a superior class has been strongly urged by Mr. Greg and Mr. Galton, namely, the fact that the very poor and reckless, who are often degraded by vice, almost invariably marry early, while the careful and frugal, who are generally otherwise virtuous, marry late in life, so that they may be able to support themselves and their children in comfort. Those who marry early produce within a given period not only a greater number of generations, but, as shown by Dr. Duncan, they produce many more children. The children, moreover, that are born by mothers during the prime of life are heavier and larger, and therefore probably more vigorous, than those born at other periods. Thus the reckless, degraded, and often vicious members of society, tend to increase at a quicker rate than the provident and generally virtuous members. Or as Mr. Greg puts the case: "The careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies like rabbits: the frugal, foreseeing, self-respecting, ambitious Scot, stern in his morality, spiritual in his faith, sagacious and disciplined in his intelligence, passes his best years in struggle and in celibacy, marries late, and leaves few behind him. Given a land originally peopled by a thousand Saxons and a thousand Celts—and in a dozen generations five-sixths of the population would be Celts, but five-sixths of the property, of the power, of the intellect, would belong to the one-sixth of Saxons that remained. In the eternal 'struggle for existence,' it would be the inferior and less favored race that had prevailed—and prevailed by virtue not of its good qualities but of its faults."

The cited references are: 18 'Fraser's Magazine,' Sept. 1868, p. 353. 'Macmillan's Magazine,' Aug. 1865, p. 318. The Rev. F. W. Farrar ('Fraser's Mag.,' Aug. 1870, p. 264) takes a different view. 19 "On the Laws of the Fertility of Women," in 'Transact. Royal Soc.' Edinburgh, vol. xxiv. p. 287. See, also, Mr. Galton, 'Hereditary Genius,' pp. 352-357, for observations to the above effect.

Darwin's writing is freely available, and will independently expose the lies promoted by creationists. https://play.google.com/books/reade...t=reader&id=LYEQAAAAYAAJ&pg=GBS.PA166.w.1.3.0

 

[Dr_GS_Hurd]

Why is it too difficult for even a normally intelligent, and passing literate creationist to follow the obvious meaning of Darwin's writing? He is using English. He is using English with only a 150 year gap from modern English. My conclusion is that professional creationists always lie, and their dupes never question what they are told.

If creationists cannot follow the obvious meaning of Darwin (I'll momentarily accept they are not liars), how do they pretend to understand the meaning of the Bible? It was written thousands of years ago in languages no longer known (biblical Hebrew is unintelligible today except to experts. Few of them know Akkadian, or Ugaritic). This why I know without further question that "Hizikyah" is not a trustworthy source. They do not apparently know biblical Hebrew, or the older languages that the Bible/Torah was based on.

 

[newbirth]

Amen, and I bet Darwin has a different view right now......like wishing he had glass of ice water!

what about if he believed in Christ 10 seconds before he die...?? according to your gospel he is saved...

 

[Dr_GS_Hurd]

The last lie I plan to refute was that Darwin was a racist, or that biology is racist.

I have already written this all up and it is posted at Stones and Bones: The lie that Charles Darwin was a racist.

 

[hopesprings]

what about if he believed in Christ 10 seconds before he die...?? according to your gospel he is saved...

Come on newbirth
you're better than that

 

[Dr_GS_Hurd]

This is what leads to racism and eugenics.

Racism is Biblical. The Bible is used to deny human equality and justify slavery.

Eugenics was a failed idea of how to avoid hereditary diseases. It failed because it was not scientific. Even Darwin, with his limited understanding of genetics opposed Galton's Eugenics Society.

Racism was biblical. Just consider that before Charles Darwin's books on evolution were ever published, racist Christians were publishing books like;

Rev. John Bachman (February 4, 1790 – February 24, 1874) was an American Lutheran minister, social activist and naturalist who collaborated with J.J. Audubon. Author of “Unity of the Human Race.” Considered a liberal of the Southern States, and author of “Unity of the Human Race,” he argued that the African Negro had to be made slaves by Christians for "their own good."

Daly, John Patrick
2002 "When Slavery Was Called Freedom: Evangelism, Proslavery, and the Causes of the Civil War" Kentucky University Press

Desmond, Adrian and James More
2009 “Darwin’s Sacred Cause” New York: Penguin Books

There are still plenty of creationist racists. For example, see:
Haberman, Fredrick
1934 "Tracing Our White Ancestors: White Roots" (1962 ed. Phoenix, Az: Lord's Covenant Church) and 2009 reprinted as "Tracing Our Ancestors: Traces the European American Back to Father Abraham and Beyond" Muskogee, Ok: Artisan Publishers.

For a competent study, see:
Daly, John Patrick
2002 "When Slavery Was Called Freedom: Evangelism, Proslavery, and the Causes of the Civil War" Kentucky University Press

Desmond, Adrian and James More
2009 “Darwin’s Sacred Cause” New York: Penguin Books

Darwin himself rejected racism popular with Christians. For example, he wrote, "I do not see that an orthognathous face would cost more than a prognathous face; or a good morale than a bad one." (LETTER 412. TO FRANCIS GALTON. Down, January 4th, 1873).

Darwin also wrote, "It may be doubted whether any character can be named which is distinctive of a race and is constant." The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex (John Murray, London, 1871).

 

[Kerry]

Did Darwin mention Israel, no he didn't because it did not exist in his time. But the bible predicted that Israel would become a nation saying " shall I make a nation in one day" and that's exactly what happened and we have witnessed it, has anyone ever witnessed evolution?

 

[Dr_GS_Hurd]

.... has anyone ever witnessed evolution?

Sure. Evolution is witnessed all the time. It is a force of nature just as much as gravity. An airplane does not falsify the theory of gravity.

See: Stones and Bones: Emergence of New Species

 

[Kerry]

Well I have never seen a mosquito turn into a beetle. But have seen the word of God come to pass.

 

[Kerry]

Sure. Evolution is witnessed all the time. It is a force of nature just as much as gravity. An airplane does not falsify the theory of gravity.

See: Stones and Bones: Emergence of New Species

It gives no evidence only speculation and cannot be repeated in a laboratory environment as prayer has been repeated in lab environments. I meant to be scientifically sound it must be repeatable and if you preach the gospel it is repeatable that people will be saved, healed and set free from drugs and alcohol. I forgot to mention marriages restored.

 

[Kerry]

Teaching evolution only brings disorder as we have no accountability to any one. I meant My father is a ape that swings from a tree. When I die I just die and have no accountability. So if evolution is true then why should I obey law? Why not rob, steal and kill, man if get killed I'm just gone into oblivion. Is your garage door locked?

 

[Kerry]

Jesus loves you Dr. Hurd

 

[Kerry]

He died for you and was spit on and whipped till his rib bones showed just so that you might be saved. He loved you that much He took the whipping for you and on the cross He said Father forgive them for they know not what they do. Jesus loves you and even now is tugging at your heart.

 

[Kerry]

Come on Dr Hurd say something, I love you man and I see that you are here. Praise God say something.

 

[Kerry]

Disregard what I said, I am human and need a response, but you do as God leads, I am nothing, pray to God on your own I am not needed, yes go and stand in your room and accept him, He is all you need.

 

[Dr_GS_Hurd]

Kerry, your heart might be kind. You might imagine you have some weak understanding of science, or the Bible. But your words are false. You pour out hate against what are simple facts. You would rather lie about science and falsely claim that science rejects scripture than learn about either.

Here are some better teachers:

Ayala, Francisco
2007 Darwin’s Gift: To Science and Religion (Washington DC: Joseph Henry Press- National Academies Press)

Collins, Francis S.
2006 The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief New York Free Press- Simon and Schuster

Frye, Roland Mushat (editor)
1983 "Is God a Creationist?: The Religious Case Against Creation-Science" New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, Inc.

Haught, John F.
2001 “Responses to 101 Questions on God and Evolution” New York: Paulist Press Haught is a Catholic theologian who testified as a plaintiff expert in the Dover, Pa “Intelligent Design” trial.

Hyers, Conrad
1984 “The Meaning of Creation: Genesis and Modern Science” Atlanta: John Knox Press (Conrad Hyers has served as Professor of the History of Religion and Chair of the Department of Religion at both Beloit College and at Gustavus Adolphus College. He is also an ordained Presbyterian minister)

Kitcher, Phillip
2007 “Living With Darwin: Evolution, Design, and the Future of Life” Oxford University Press

Miller, Keith B. (editor)
2003 “Perspectives on an Evolving Creation” Grand Rapids: Eerdmans Publishing

Ken Miller
1999 "Finding Darwin's God" New York: HarperCollins

Roberts, Michael
2008 "Evangelicals and Science" Greenwood Press

Slifkin, Natan
2006/2008 “The Challenge of Creation: Judaism’s Encounter with Science, Cosmology and Evolution” New York: Zoo Torah and Yashar Books (Rabbi Slifkin is a very conservative Orthodox Rabbi. It is interesting to read).

Young, Davis A., Ralf F. Stearley
2008 "The Bible, Rocks and Time: Geological Evidence for the Age of the Earth" Downers Grove: InterVarsity Press

 

[Dr_GS_Hurd]

I should add that ever single one of these authors are Christian (other than Rabbi Slifkin). I will add that I know several of these men, and respect their scientific contributions, and also will defend their right to their religious faith.

Davis Young, Ralf Stearley, Francis S. Collins, and Michael Roberts would all be evangelical Christians . Michael Roberts is an Anglican Priest, a University degreed geologist, and a friend of mine. Francisco Ayala was a priest who left the clergy for a career in molecular biology. He is a very proper Spanish noble- I am a very common American rebel so we simply do not get along personally, although we did once share a drink. Professor Ayala recently donated 11 million dollars to the University of California. Nobody cares about my opinion of his opinions.(His book is actually very good).

 

[laura_charlotte]

Here are some better teachers:

Ayala, Francisco
2007 Darwin’s Gift: To Science and Religion (Washington DC: Joseph Henry Press- National Academies Press)

Collins, Francis S.
2006 The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief New York Free Press- Simon and Schuster

Frye, Roland Mushat (editor)
1983 "Is God a Creationist?: The Religious Case Against Creation-Science" New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, Inc.

Haught, John F.
2001 “Responses to 101 Questions on God and Evolution” New York: Paulist Press Haught is a Catholic theologian who testified as a plaintiff expert in the Dover, Pa “Intelligent Design” trial.

Hyers, Conrad
1984 “The Meaning of Creation: Genesis and Modern Science” Atlanta: John Knox Press (Conrad Hyers has served as Professor of the History of Religion and Chair of the Department of Religion at both Beloit College and at Gustavus Adolphus College. He is also an ordained Presbyterian minister)

Kitcher, Phillip
2007 “Living With Darwin: Evolution, Design, and the Future of Life” Oxford University Press

Miller, Keith B. (editor)
2003 “Perspectives on an Evolving Creation” Grand Rapids: Eerdmans Publishing

Ken Miller
1999 "Finding Darwin's God" New York: HarperCollins

Roberts, Michael
2008 "Evangelicals and Science" Greenwood Press

Slifkin, Natan
2006/2008 “The Challenge of Creation: Judaism’s Encounter with Science, Cosmology and Evolution” New York: Zoo Torah and Yashar Books (Rabbi Slifkin is a very conservative Orthodox Rabbi. It is interesting to read).

Young, Davis A., Ralf F. Stearley
2008 "The Bible, Rocks and Time: Geological Evidence for the Age of the Earth" Downers Grove: InterVarsity Press

I only know one teacher, one authority on everything: God.

 

[kaylagrl]

An evolutionist would never admit Darwin got it wrong.If they do that they'd have to agree with a creator,which they will never do.I'm still looking for the plethora of missing links.Darwin himself said his theory could be wrong why cant anyone else admit it could be wrong?