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Hi Becca,
The argument you've made is what is known as an argument from silence. We're not told exactly what Peter said to Cornelius or what Cornelius already knew. However, baptism is necessary for the remission of sins. Without the remission of sin one cannot enter the kingdom. The passages that you posted that speak of faith are addressing specific issue, they are not a checklist of salvation. For instance, Ephesians 2:8 is talking about being saved by faith versus being saved by the Law of Moses. The Romans passages deal with this same issue. They are not saying that faith is the only thing that needs to occur.
The argument you've made is what is known as an argument from silence. We're not told exactly what Peter said to Cornelius or what Cornelius already knew. However, baptism is necessary for the remission of sins. Without the remission of sin one cannot enter the kingdom. The passages that you posted that speak of faith are addressing specific issue, they are not a checklist of salvation. For instance, Ephesians 2:8 is talking about being saved by faith versus being saved by the Law of Moses. The Romans passages deal with this same issue. They are not saying that faith is the only thing that needs to occur.
E
resists what?
Everyone I have ever met has been baptised in water, I have not yet one person (unless he is a new believer) that has not said he believes, and has never been baptized.
What is being resisted, is looking at what people say.
You think your baptism is more holy than mine or anyone elses. only because you do it to recieve salvation and we do it because we have recieved it?
WHich one of us is doing it for self, Your or I?
Everyone I have ever met has been baptised in water, I have not yet one person (unless he is a new believer) that has not said he believes, and has never been baptized.
What is being resisted, is looking at what people say.
You think your baptism is more holy than mine or anyone elses. only because you do it to recieve salvation and we do it because we have recieved it?
WHich one of us is doing it for self, Your or I?
A
Surprise, surprise ...
Acts 2:38-39 is not talking about any kind of salvation.
I can easily prove to you that "the gift" and "the promise"
refer to none other than the baptism with the Holy Spirit,
which Jesus gives to some BACs as an anointing ...
usually for some kind of special calling or ministry.
P.S. The initial outpouring of this was the special case
when on the Day of Pentecost, the 120 received BOTH
the Holy Spirit INSIDE so they would be born-again,
and
the baptism with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of
speaking in tongues ... where the Spirit fell UPON them.
E
yeah I did, it was all about saving yourself. Nothing about God saving you. lets see.
Hi Becca,
The argument you've made is what is known as an argument from silence. We're not told exactly what Peter said to Cornelius or what Cornelius already knew. However, baptism is necessary for the remission of sins. Without the remission of sin one cannot enter the kingdom. The passages that you posted that speak of faith are addressing specific issue, they are not a checklist of salvation. For instance, Ephesians 2:8 is talking about being saved by faith versus being saved by the Law of Moses. The Romans passages deal with this same issue. They are not saying that faith is the only thing that needs to occur.
Everything bolded above are things you claim one must do. for it is in doing these things, that you save yourself. thus rejecting what CHrist did on the cross. to save you.
Hi Becca,
The argument you've made is what is known as an argument from silence. We're not told exactly what Peter said to Cornelius or what Cornelius already knew. However, baptism is necessary for the remission of sins. Without the remission of sin one cannot enter the kingdom. The passages that you posted that speak of faith are addressing specific issue, they are not a checklist of salvation. For instance, Ephesians 2:8 is talking about being saved by faith versus being saved by the Law of Moses. The Romans passages deal with this same issue. They are not saying that faith is the only thing that needs to occur.
Everything bolded above are things you claim one must do. for it is in doing these things, that you save yourself. thus rejecting what CHrist did on the cross. to save you.
J
i have met few people anywhere(across the usa, coast to coast, and canada to mexico), especially in many churches, who have been baptized. even pastors and priests and such have not ever been. so you must be in a very small or unique community i guess? ... just comparing....
likewise, those who are not baptized are not even thinking of themselves as saved - and they admit it. can't figure that out..... except they love the world or something in the world, instead of loving God......
likewise, those who are not baptized are not even thinking of themselves as saved - and they admit it. can't figure that out..... except they love the world or something in the world, instead of loving God......
E
surprise surprise.
Those things had nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy SPirit. it had to do with the anointing of the spirit.
if your not baptised by the HS your not saved, your still dead in your sin, Only God can wash away our sin. some man dunking you in water has no power to wash your sin and make you white as snow.
the anointing of the spirit (the spirit coming in you or upon you) is based on the fact you were cleansed (washed) byu the Holy spirit. it is called new birth or regeneration.
Those things had nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy SPirit. it had to do with the anointing of the spirit.
if your not baptised by the HS your not saved, your still dead in your sin, Only God can wash away our sin. some man dunking you in water has no power to wash your sin and make you white as snow.
the anointing of the spirit (the spirit coming in you or upon you) is based on the fact you were cleansed (washed) byu the Holy spirit. it is called new birth or regeneration.
E
I have been to many churches, some large churches all over the united states, (I am a 14 year veteran of the US armed forces)My current church has over 6000 members.
I am not saying someone who claims to be saved has never been baptized. I am sure there are a few. Then again, If you claim you have faith in God. and will not even do the first thing God commanded to do. I would doubt your faith is sincere.
That would be like my father saying trust me, be here for dinner at 5:00 and you will recieve the best dinner you ever had. And you say, Ok Dad, I trust you completely. then show up at 6. did you really trust your father? or was it just words? If you really trusted your father, and desired that dinner, nothing would have stopped you from being there at 5
I am not saying someone who claims to be saved has never been baptized. I am sure there are a few. Then again, If you claim you have faith in God. and will not even do the first thing God commanded to do. I would doubt your faith is sincere.
That would be like my father saying trust me, be here for dinner at 5:00 and you will recieve the best dinner you ever had. And you say, Ok Dad, I trust you completely. then show up at 6. did you really trust your father? or was it just words? If you really trusted your father, and desired that dinner, nothing would have stopped you from being there at 5
E
OK big question for everyone... My grandfather finally gave his life to Christ only a couple days before he died. He was bed ridden at the time so he didn't get baptized....the question I have is this...was he saved or not?
This is a simple "yes" or "no" question. For the legalists saying we MUST be baptized to be saved it would be a resounding "no". So....
This is a simple "yes" or "no" question. For the legalists saying we MUST be baptized to be saved it would be a resounding "no". So....
So what is a baptism unto Moses? Did Israel remain in the sea or the cloud? That is what the Greek
baptizo implies if that is the correct exegesis of the passage as you suggest. Bapto would have been water baptism but that is not the word used here?
Why would Israel be baptized unto Moses and not Jehovah?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
baptizo implies if that is the correct exegesis of the passage as you suggest. Bapto would have been water baptism but that is not the word used here?
Why would Israel be baptized unto Moses and not Jehovah?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
