Guide for woman's (1 Tim 2:9-15)
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I know I said I was gonna drop out of the thread, but you brought something up for me. The verse about how women should dress, Ive never really even thought about it as sexual, like tempting men with evil. But more along the lines of vanity. Women wearing fancy clothes, jewels and having hairstyles, its all for vanity. And its something we all go through, I play music and I often find myself bragging about how "great" I am or even playing something fancy in public with hopes of admiration. Vanity is something that God does not allow, and we all struggle with it. It can even be over taking with us if we are not careful. Oh and materialism, which I also struggle with, for years I had videogame collection that I displayed for all to see, and I still have to battle with the temptation of buying up more for myself.
I do believe that women have these kind of things pressed on them even more than we do, though, and I do believe that their struggle in this area is harder. Its a dangerous world we live in, if you are living by the spirit. We must "guard our hearts".
I do believe that women have these kind of things pressed on them even more than we do, though, and I do believe that their struggle in this area is harder. Its a dangerous world we live in, if you are living by the spirit. We must "guard our hearts".
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The thing is, where does making oneself presentable or making the best of oneself end and vanity begin? Personally I love wearing pretty things - that is pretty not sexy. Jewellery and such. It has absolutely nothing to do with men and everything to do with how it makes me feel - confident. I don't want to go out with my hair looking like I've just got out of bed.
I think the problem is with how men perceive it.
I think the problem is with how men perceive it.
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I am just sick and tired of people (both men & women) who propagate dogma that only intensifies the war between men and women. That is a carnal war and Christians should not have any part in that. If you truly believe that God made women as the weaker vessel, then you should also believe that women need men to lift them up above worldly standards. When I see Christian men criticizing women and putting them down into the world, I see only grave error. Rather, uphold God's banner of love over women and speak to them with honor and respect, treating them as sisters and mothers. Even the carnal women of the world deserve such respect because that's how Jesus treated them.
A lot of people on the forum constantly confuse the authority of the husband over the wife (and church bishop over the congregation), to authority of all men over all women, which is simply non existing in the Bible... Even the passage refers to Adam and Eve, who are husband and wife prototype. The context in such passages in the Bible always points at the fact that the man and the woman mentioned are within marriage covenant.
It is perfectly fine that you have a word on what your wife is wearing or what she is doing. But see, you dont go around telling other women you're not married to, especially if they are married, how to behave or what to wear, as they are under authority of their fathers if they are virgins. If they are married they are under the authority of their husbands. Or they are under the authority of God alone - if they are single adults living out of their father's house, or if they are widowed.
Paul was a church overseer so it was fine for him to give this kind of direction to the church he was responsible for.
If this would be cleared up, a lot of arguments on this forum would vanish...
It is perfectly fine that you have a word on what your wife is wearing or what she is doing. But see, you dont go around telling other women you're not married to, especially if they are married, how to behave or what to wear, as they are under authority of their fathers if they are virgins. If they are married they are under the authority of their husbands. Or they are under the authority of God alone - if they are single adults living out of their father's house, or if they are widowed.
Paul was a church overseer so it was fine for him to give this kind of direction to the church he was responsible for.
If this would be cleared up, a lot of arguments on this forum would vanish...
I would love to stay barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen doing my husband's bidding all day long...however, since I'm 60 recently married and unable to bare children that ain't gonna happen.... I love to make sure my husband is taken care of, but he does not lord over me or mandate anything I do or say.....Why? You might ask.....BECAUSE HE REALLY LOVES ME.... and does not feel the need to micro manage any and everything I do...... I LOVE MY HUSBAND, he is a treasure and a true gift from God.
Have you ever been married? Maybe not? If you were might I ask why your wife left? Looking forward to reading the many posts that I am sure will bring much edification.....?
Have you ever been married? Maybe not? If you were might I ask why your wife left? Looking forward to reading the many posts that I am sure will bring much edification.....?
It WAS a joke.
However, there is also some truth to it.
We should be loving and concerned about carnal women,
but a Christian man DOES have to be VERY cautious.
A woman is always a man's biggest temptation...
and we've already defined this category of women as "carnal".
A word like "lost" or "carnal" over a woman's head is like a big sign
that says, "Christian men, don't burn your fingers on this stove".
However, there is also some truth to it.
We should be loving and concerned about carnal women,
but a Christian man DOES have to be VERY cautious.
A woman is always a man's biggest temptation...
and we've already defined this category of women as "carnal".
A word like "lost" or "carnal" over a woman's head is like a big sign
that says, "Christian men, don't burn your fingers on this stove".
I still don't see how a piece of jewelry is going to turn a man on. Or braided hair?
But it might have in that culture in those years when women were mostly covered up. Paul wrote that to THAT church for the benefit of what was best for them.
If he was writing to us today, he would tell us to turn off our cell phones and stop texting.
But it might have in that culture in those years when women were mostly covered up. Paul wrote that to THAT church for the benefit of what was best for them.
If he was writing to us today, he would tell us to turn off our cell phones and stop texting.