Guide for woman's (1 Tim 2:9-15)

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DesiredHaven

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I love the idea of a burka and not doing my hair that whole idea is awesome to me.

I honestly wish burkas were cool
 
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DesiredHaven said:
I love the idea of a burka and not doing my hair that whole idea is awesome to me.

I honestly wish burkas were cool
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Ahhhhhhhh..... I'm seventy, but I'm not DEAD. No burkas, please.
 
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I think that the verse cited in the OP attempts to address the difference between looking nice and being alluring.

I certainly agree that cultural norms have changed how that distinction is perceived in our time; but I believe that application should address the intent of the verse.

We readily agree on the difference in dress between a street prostitute and a female business executive. There is a lot of uncharted territory between these extremes; and one need not be legalistic to seek to define the limits of propriety.
Issues such as vanity and materialism can also be considered without being legalistic or judgemental.
 
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Galahad

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maxwel said:
How about we scrap all the theory, and get all practical and realistic for a minute?

1. It is nonsensical to think most men would marry a girl who's basic values (like how to dress) are totally divergent from their own.
(This makes most of this stuff a non-issue. You aren't going to marry a girl who thinks completely different than you on simple basic things, unless you're nuts. This principle makes most of these things a non issue. If you marry a girl who thinks completely opposite to you on everything... then... you just set yourself up for a lifetime of headache.)

2. ANY man can ORDER his wife to do whatever he wants... then he has to live with the consequences.
Either spouse can give orders, or mandates, or ultimatums at will... just open your mouth and let out whatever you like. But for anything that comes out of your mouth, there are consequences.
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"I really don't think that it is a guy's job to tell woman how to dress, what to do or what to say." That's the statement I was responding to. Here it is again, "I really don't think that it is a guy's job to tell woman how to dress, what to do or what to say."

My question to Tourist is: "So do you disagree with Paul's instruction to Timothy?"

Do you see?
 
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Galahad

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Willie-T said:
Well, as most of you know, I spent much time facilitating Sexual Behavior Modification classes for criminals, thus I am a bit sensitive about anything that places blame on women for the thoughts and actions of men. I guess I just can't sit and listen to anything that even hints at that...... even if the venerated Paul wrote it.
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Where does the OP put blame on women?
 
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VioletReigns

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I could kinda go for the free-flowing peasant look depicted by this Samaritan woman at the well. Functional, light-weight, chaste. A pair of Doc Marten boots could complete the outfit as I like to hike around a lot.

peasant.jpg
 
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DesiredHaven said:
I love the idea of a burka and not doing my hair that whole idea is awesome to me.

I honestly wish burkas were cool
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We could all wear sheets and have a toga party......that might be fun......at least we'd all be modest....
 
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DesiredHaven

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Willie-T said:
Ahhhhhhhh..... I'm seventy, but I'm not DEAD. No burkas, please.
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Hey your wife has a choice not to wear one, but ya OUGHT to be dead to every other woman except her LOL!

I could probably get away with not brushing my hair or my teeth
AND wearing my music ears and get away with it too (heh heh)
 
JesusLives

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I'll be the one with the angel wings as I feel mine have been clipped for just a short time and I like the belt....
 
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tourist said:
I don't disagree with Paul's instruction to Timothy at all but rather in the way that the OP presented the material. He was judgmental with women in general and his tone seemed a bit arrogant. There was no balance in the way it was presented as it was entirely slanted and biased against women.
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Galahad said:
"I really don't think that it is a guy's job to tell woman how to dress, what to do or what to say." That's the statement I was responding to. Here it is again, "I really don't think that it is a guy's job to tell woman how to dress, what to do or what to say."

My question to Tourist is: "So do you disagree with Paul's instruction to Timothy?"

Do you see?
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You asked me this in an earlier post. I believe my answer to your question was in post #41. Personally, I believe Paul was a male chauvinist is some regards.
 
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MarcR said:
I think that the verse cited in the OP attempts to address the difference between looking nice and being alluring.

I certainly agree that cultural norms have changed how that distinction is perceived in our time; but I believe that application should address the intent of the verse.

We readily agree on the difference in dress between a street prostitute and a female business executive. There is a lot of uncharted territory between these extremes; and one need not be legalistic to seek to define the limits of propriety.
Issues such as vanity and materialism can also be considered without being legalistic or judgemental.
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You are quite eloquent, rational and balanced in your posts.
 
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DesiredHaven

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JesusLives said:

I'll be the one with the angel wings as I feel mine have been clipped for just a short time and I like the belt....
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I like this one



And this one



And this one


The long sleeve (cooler weather stuff)

You can add a head covering and all the cool peasant stuff to it.

I love that look.
 
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Galahad

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SoulWeaver said:
A lot of people on the forum constantly confuse the authority of the husband over the wife (and church bishop over the congregation), to authority of all men over all women, which is simply non existing in the Bible... Even the passage refers to Adam and Eve, who are husband and wife prototype. The context in such passages in the Bible always points at the fact that the man and the woman mentioned are within marriage covenant.

It is perfectly fine that you have a word on what your wife is wearing or what she is doing. But see, you dont go around telling other women you're not married to, especially if they are married, how to behave or what to wear, as they are under authority of their fathers if they are virgins. If they are married they are under the authority of their husbands. Or they are under the authority of God alone - if they are single adults living out of their father's house, or if they are widowed.

Paul was a church overseer so it was fine for him to give this kind of direction to the church he was responsible for.

If this would be cleared up, a lot of arguments on this forum would vanish...
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Here's Tourist reply to the OP: "I really don't think that it is a guy's job to tell woman how to dress, what to do or what to say."
Yet, Timothy is being instructed by Paul. Timothy has the responsibility to teach this instruction to both men and women. No problem.

Paul's instruction is still relevant today. Just a shame that there's so much venom against the OP, which mainly consists of Bible verses. I've studied the passages under consideration with many folks. Never had a problem discussing it. But for some reason, there's opposition to it here. I don't understand why.

I appreciate your reply. Very good.
 
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Galahad

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tourist said:
You asked me this in an earlier post. I believe my answer to your question was in post #41. Personally, I believe Paul was a male chauvinist is some regards.
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I wasn't addressing you.

Paul a chauvinist! Must be the candy. No doubt, peanuts.
 
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Galahad said:
So do you disagree with Paul's instruction to Timothy?

Not a matter of a guy telling a woman.

My wife wouldn't, but if she was dressed inappropriately (today that usually is less clothing, more skin showing) and heading out the door, she knows she would be confronted (not as bad as it sounds), and just as she would confront me if I was dressed inappropriately (Nope, ain't going to wear a speedo. Ain't going to do it). A father can do the same with his daughter.

If it comes down to man not being able to tell woman, we've missed the point of Paul's instruction to Timothy.
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I know this thread is about women......and I really hate to interrupt all of the tension.
(Although, it has slowed down a bit)

I have a quick question?

Is it okay if I still want to wear a speedo?
Just wondering....if so.....there goes my entire wardrobe. :(
 
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Reborn said:
I know this thread is about women......and I really hate to interrupt all of the tension.
(Although, it has slowed down a bit)

I have a quick question?

Is it okay if I still want to wear a speedo?
Just wondering....if so.....there goes my entire wardrobe. :(
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Seeing as you are a guy I don't think that Paul would have a biblical conniption over it.
 
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melita916 said:
i love this one. i would wear it :)
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meee, too! my favorite of all.

but i think i'd like to put a little pair of black ballet flats with it.
maybe with a bow? :)
 
MarcR

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JFSurvivor said:
That's another verse I have an issue with. Is it saying that women are stupid? I don't get this. Can someone please explain?
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I think the verse in question is saying that in general (be careful not to stereotype) women are more likely to respond emotionally while men are inclined to make rational decisions (which in Adam's case were equally flawed - deceived or not).

It may well be that Paul was addressing a mindset that was definitely biased against women in the cultural context in which he found himself; whether or not he shared that bias.

In explaining what the verse means I am not suggesting that such bias should be catered to in our time and culture.
 
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