I'm not arguing, even though others have started one. The book I refer to doesn't contradict the KJV which is my favorite. Why not study different interpretations of scripture as long as they don't conflict with the truth? With this said, King James was no saint. This book, that I now have, gives greater clarity to certain words that were used during the time period that the New Testament was written. It is not the main Bible that I read. I don't understand the argument over translations coming up all the time. This thread is not about what translation of the Bible is the best or worst. There are many I'm sure you have no problem with.
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That is a possibility especially since some of the things he refers to can be found only in the LXX but, the LXX was generally used in the Synagogues by the Hellenistic Jews who generally spoke Greek as their first language. The LXX was created by the Hellenistic Jews for Hellenistic Jews. Since Jesus and the apostles were not Hellenists and worshiped in Jerusalem it is more likely that they used the Hebrew scrolls.
I don't think the NT was written in Hebrew. The Septuagint was re-written as I understand in AD around the time of Constantine. I do believe however that there were a number of languages used during the time of Jesus and the apostles.
Luke 23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, This Is The King Of The Jews.
Although Jesus spoke Aramaic, the Gospels are in Greek, and only rarely quote actual Aramaic words. Reconstruction of the Aramaic background of the Gospels remains a fascinating, but inordinately difficult area of modern research.
Christians in Palestine eventually rendered portions of Christian Scripture into their dialect of Aramaic; these translations and related writings constitute "Christian Palestinian Aramaic". The language became the tongue of the entire eastern wing of the church, from about the third century C.E. down until well past the Muslim conquest.
Now maybe we can get bak to the original thought of this thread. LOL whew!
Luke 23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, This Is The King Of The Jews.
Although Jesus spoke Aramaic, the Gospels are in Greek, and only rarely quote actual Aramaic words. Reconstruction of the Aramaic background of the Gospels remains a fascinating, but inordinately difficult area of modern research.
Christians in Palestine eventually rendered portions of Christian Scripture into their dialect of Aramaic; these translations and related writings constitute "Christian Palestinian Aramaic". The language became the tongue of the entire eastern wing of the church, from about the third century C.E. down until well past the Muslim conquest.
Now maybe we can get bak to the original thought of this thread. LOL whew!
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It's not a language debate. I think it's about learning what the original meaning of the words first writen really were. I could give you examples, but you have to be willing to realize that these studies are real and important as well as the original meanings of these words have not been lost by the Jewish people, so learning from them is wise, indeed. I until not to long ago began studying and finding out small imperfections from the KJV and other translations from the KJV as well as many in the English language are leaving out small parts that can leave for confusion and misinterpretation. Where as learning the original language leaves a lot less room. We must all be wiling to admit we could miss God. We must all learn to sharpen one another and learn from each other in humility. Why not go pray and research for yourselves as I'm encouraging. It has been a wonderful eye opening and freeing experience for myself. And I love the journey in the Word again even more. Which isn no died bonus.
1 Peter 2:5 (AENT) And you are also, as living stones, are built and become spiritual temples and Set Apart priests for the offering of spiritual scarifies, acceptable before Elohim through Y'shua the Mashiyach.
Side note
The spiritual component of sacrifice is much more important than what is being sacrificed; otherwise it would have no more significance than a backyard barbecue. A sacrifice is evaluated by spiritual content that is elucidated in Torah, the prophets and through Jesus Messiah. The surrender of one's will, peace offerings, bountiful offerings, thanksgiving offerings, mercy offerings, or sacrifices to establish resolve or new direction, congregational sacrifices, national sacrifices, sacrifices towards being "set apart" (holy), or sacrifices to aid purity of thought and attitude are all potential "spiritual sacrifices." "Spiritual Sacrifices" unto YHWH are "Set Apart" by the intent of the heart and are distinct from the sacrifices towards the physical gods of materialism, relativism or religious identity. All authentic spiritual sacrifices have components of righteousness, judgment, justice, mercy and faith; they are not cerebral, but spiritual, neither are they done in word only but in deed (visible), and they demonstrate the spiritual intent within the heart.
Romans 12:1 (AENT) I plead to you, therefore, my brothers, by the mercies of Elohim, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, Set Apart and acceptable to Elohim by a reasonable service of him.
1 Corinthians 15:46 (AENT) And the spiritual was not first; but the animal, and then the spiritual.
Side note
The spiritual component of sacrifice is much more important than what is being sacrificed; otherwise it would have no more significance than a backyard barbecue. A sacrifice is evaluated by spiritual content that is elucidated in Torah, the prophets and through Jesus Messiah. The surrender of one's will, peace offerings, bountiful offerings, thanksgiving offerings, mercy offerings, or sacrifices to establish resolve or new direction, congregational sacrifices, national sacrifices, sacrifices towards being "set apart" (holy), or sacrifices to aid purity of thought and attitude are all potential "spiritual sacrifices." "Spiritual Sacrifices" unto YHWH are "Set Apart" by the intent of the heart and are distinct from the sacrifices towards the physical gods of materialism, relativism or religious identity. All authentic spiritual sacrifices have components of righteousness, judgment, justice, mercy and faith; they are not cerebral, but spiritual, neither are they done in word only but in deed (visible), and they demonstrate the spiritual intent within the heart.
Romans 12:1 (AENT) I plead to you, therefore, my brothers, by the mercies of Elohim, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, Set Apart and acceptable to Elohim by a reasonable service of him.
1 Corinthians 15:46 (AENT) And the spiritual was not first; but the animal, and then the spiritual.
The KJV is my favorite too. I refer to it as the "real" bible when I talk to my daughter about it. Her favorite is the NIV.
When the Lord first started opening the scriptures to me he used pictures to describe what was happening. Which is what I understand the Hebrew language is like? A picture language? I don't know Hebrew except for a few words. So I suppose in that fashion the Lord could have worked with any translation as the description of the pictures He was showing me.
Which is why languages and debates over which version is the "real" version doesn't interest me. God can use any language and any version to get His Point across.
When the Lord first started opening the scriptures to me he used pictures to describe what was happening. Which is what I understand the Hebrew language is like? A picture language? I don't know Hebrew except for a few words. So I suppose in that fashion the Lord could have worked with any translation as the description of the pictures He was showing me.
Which is why languages and debates over which version is the "real" version doesn't interest me. God can use any language and any version to get His Point across.
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The fruit without the root is vain indeed. The root produces fruit that is motivated by the faith in the root. We are grafted into the olive tree that has the root to produce the fruit. Call this fruity if you want. Facts are facts.
One marked difference between the faith of our fathers as conceived by the fathers and the same faith as understood and lived by their children is that the fathers were concerned with the root of the matter, while their present-day descendants seem concerned only with the fruit. The Root of the Righteous
by A. W. Tozer
Facts are facts.One marked difference between the faith of our fathers as conceived by the fathers and the same faith as understood and lived by their children is that the fathers were concerned with the root of the matter, while their present-day descendants seem concerned only with the fruit. The Root of the Righteous
by A. W. Tozer
I have to say that I never understood this section of scripture in this light . . . and honestly, I questioned it . . .
So I read and re-read . . . and when Just-me brought up the Aramaic text - I went to the Lamsa Bible [from the Aramaic of the Peshitta] to read this section again . . . LIGHT BULB moment!
3:11-18 - [to the Gentiles] Wherfore remember that you were Gentiles in the flesh from the beginning, and you were called Uncircumcision, differing from that which is called Circumcision which is the work of the hands in the flesh. At that time you were without Christ, being aliens to the customs of Israel and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without god in the world. But now, through Jesus Christ, you who sometimes were far off are brought near by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who has made one, and has broken down the wall of separation between them; and he has abolished by his precious body the enmity between them [Jew & Gentile], and he has abolished by his commandments the ordinances of the law so that he may create in his person, from the two [Jew & Gentile], a new man [where there is neither Jew nor Gentile], thus making peace; And he reconciled both in one body with God, and with his cross he destroyed the enmity; and he came and preached peace to you who are far away and to those who are near. Through him we both [Jew and Gentile] are able to draw near by one Spirit to the Father.
I will later explain what my understanding of the text was because I still think it also has relevance.
Now one body in Christ with Christ as the head . . . Thanks, Elin
So I read and re-read . . . and when Just-me brought up the Aramaic text - I went to the Lamsa Bible [from the Aramaic of the Peshitta] to read this section again . . . LIGHT BULB moment!
3:11-18 - [to the Gentiles] Wherfore remember that you were Gentiles in the flesh from the beginning, and you were called Uncircumcision, differing from that which is called Circumcision which is the work of the hands in the flesh. At that time you were without Christ, being aliens to the customs of Israel and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without god in the world. But now, through Jesus Christ, you who sometimes were far off are brought near by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who has made one, and has broken down the wall of separation between them; and he has abolished by his precious body the enmity between them [Jew & Gentile], and he has abolished by his commandments the ordinances of the law so that he may create in his person, from the two [Jew & Gentile], a new man [where there is neither Jew nor Gentile], thus making peace; And he reconciled both in one body with God, and with his cross he destroyed the enmity; and he came and preached peace to you who are far away and to those who are near. Through him we both [Jew and Gentile] are able to draw near by one Spirit to the Father.
I will later explain what my understanding of the text was because I still think it also has relevance.
Now one body in Christ with Christ as the head . . . Thanks, Elin