The world is a battlefield, and there are casualties and wounds in battle, but the battle is the Lord's and its end is victory. To attempt an escape from the battle is to flee from the liabilities of warfare against sinful men ending up by inadvertently declaring war against an angry God. To face the battle is to suffer the penalties of man's wrath and the blessings of God's grace and law.
Jesus killed the law causing enmity to cease
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It's interesting Just-me, in examining the scriptures regarding enmity, As Paul stated, the natural mind is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be. The bible gives examples throughout of both the natural/carnal and spiritual/heavaenly state or mankind
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.1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Psalms 119:154 Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word.
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I was considering passages in the bible from before the Law was delivered to Moses, and well beyond that point, on through to the book of Revelations.
Before the time of Moses, there are clear examples of how "enmity," of the carnal man that is contrary to God, brought on destruction.
Starting from Adam and Eve sin entered the world, and there were consequences to that disobedience. Then we come to the time of Noah, (the law still hasn't been delivered to Moses) yet there are consequences for the entire earth.
Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
There was a standard set for what "wickedness," is, and a judgment that resulted in the whole earth being destroyed, all but Noah and his family. (Eight souls.)
Then on to the tower of Babel:
They were building a city with their own hands:
Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Genesis 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
In the account when the whole earth was destroyed during the time of Noah, God said a very similar thing regarding Babel, "the imagination of the thoughts of man's heart was wicked continuously," "And now nothing will be restrained from them which they have imagined to do."
This also reminds me of what Jesus said, about the last days, "because iniquity will abound, the love of many will wax cold."
As with the time of Noah, and Babel, uncontrolled sin would wax worse and worse...and so they were scattered over the whole face of the earth.
Sodom and Gomorrah is another example.
Both cities were destroyed because sin was so great in the land. The Law had not yet been given to Moses, yet the cities came under judgment and were destroyed.
Genesis 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Again, that is an example that there was already a standard in place for what "sin," is..and judgment based on those things.
In the book of Revelations, through the tribulation there are many of the same examples. "Yet they would not repent," One example:
Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
To sum this up:
The promise made to Abraham was that all the nations of the earth would be blessed. The blessings come by the way of faith and faithfulness, as shown throughout the word.
To Abraham's natural seed the Law was given, which set His standard for the People who are "called by His name."
Israel was to be a light to the world, in show of righteousness and righteous judgement. As God is completely righteous and just.
The promise came through the birth, life, death and resurrection of Christ, that in HIM (and only in HIM) we would overcome this world.
We are changed in Christ, "behold all things become new."
Thus begins the process of the renewing of the mind going from from the milk of the word to the meat of the word, (being hearers of the word to being doers of the word, and overcoming sin in Christ by His power.) Through faith in Jesus. He overcame the world.
"The carnal mind is not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can it be."
John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
There are so many more examples, even in entering the promised land, and the events that followed as recorded in scripture throughout. I did attempt to keep this short but couldn't do so without showing some examples. There are many more...
As you stated, the enmity ceases in Christ through grace, so that in Him we can overcome this world.
Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
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.1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Psalms 119:154 Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word.
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I was considering passages in the bible from before the Law was delivered to Moses, and well beyond that point, on through to the book of Revelations.
Before the time of Moses, there are clear examples of how "enmity," of the carnal man that is contrary to God, brought on destruction.
Starting from Adam and Eve sin entered the world, and there were consequences to that disobedience. Then we come to the time of Noah, (the law still hasn't been delivered to Moses) yet there are consequences for the entire earth.
Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
There was a standard set for what "wickedness," is, and a judgment that resulted in the whole earth being destroyed, all but Noah and his family. (Eight souls.)
Then on to the tower of Babel:
They were building a city with their own hands:
Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Genesis 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
In the account when the whole earth was destroyed during the time of Noah, God said a very similar thing regarding Babel, "the imagination of the thoughts of man's heart was wicked continuously," "And now nothing will be restrained from them which they have imagined to do."
This also reminds me of what Jesus said, about the last days, "because iniquity will abound, the love of many will wax cold."
As with the time of Noah, and Babel, uncontrolled sin would wax worse and worse...and so they were scattered over the whole face of the earth.
Sodom and Gomorrah is another example.
Both cities were destroyed because sin was so great in the land. The Law had not yet been given to Moses, yet the cities came under judgment and were destroyed.
Genesis 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Again, that is an example that there was already a standard in place for what "sin," is..and judgment based on those things.
In the book of Revelations, through the tribulation there are many of the same examples. "Yet they would not repent," One example:
Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
To sum this up:
The promise made to Abraham was that all the nations of the earth would be blessed. The blessings come by the way of faith and faithfulness, as shown throughout the word.
To Abraham's natural seed the Law was given, which set His standard for the People who are "called by His name."
Israel was to be a light to the world, in show of righteousness and righteous judgement. As God is completely righteous and just.
The promise came through the birth, life, death and resurrection of Christ, that in HIM (and only in HIM) we would overcome this world.
We are changed in Christ, "behold all things become new."
Thus begins the process of the renewing of the mind going from from the milk of the word to the meat of the word, (being hearers of the word to being doers of the word, and overcoming sin in Christ by His power.) Through faith in Jesus. He overcame the world.
"The carnal mind is not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can it be."
John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
There are so many more examples, even in entering the promised land, and the events that followed as recorded in scripture throughout. I did attempt to keep this short but couldn't do so without showing some examples. There are many more...
As you stated, the enmity ceases in Christ through grace, so that in Him we can overcome this world.
Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
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Say huh? Where child did YOU receive that understanding from? It clearly says he destroyed in HIS FLESH the hostility, but I think you are confusing the part of where it talks about us no longer being gentiles but fellow citizens.
Let me make this clear, our citizenship is IN HEAVEN. To be children of the heavenly Jerusalem we have to be born by the spirit and led by the spirit. The hostility of the flesh that keeps us from obeying the spirit, is what was destroyed. It's all about mankind and them falling short because of sin. Jesus didn't die because I was a gentile who needed to be a citizen, he died because the whole world are gentiles excluded from heavenly citizenship because they are a prisoner of sin. It's all about mankind falling short of God's requirements.
Let me make this clear, our citizenship is IN HEAVEN. To be children of the heavenly Jerusalem we have to be born by the spirit and led by the spirit. The hostility of the flesh that keeps us from obeying the spirit, is what was destroyed. It's all about mankind and them falling short because of sin. Jesus didn't die because I was a gentile who needed to be a citizen, he died because the whole world are gentiles excluded from heavenly citizenship because they are a prisoner of sin. It's all about mankind falling short of God's requirements.
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From Eph 2:11-16.
CONTEXT: Eph 2:11-13
"You who are Gentiles by birth. . .were excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise. . .but now in Christ Jesus you who were once far away have been brought near. . .
TEXT: Eph 2:14-16
he. . .has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.
His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,
and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross."
The enmity was between Jew and Gentile--not between the law and mankind--because of the law which made Gentiles unclean to the Jews.
In abolishing the law with its commandments and regulations, which was the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility between Jew and Gentile, Jesus created in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace between Jew and Gentile as well as reconciling the two to God, all through the cross, by which Jesus put to death both
a) the hostility between Jew and Gentile, and
b) the enmity between mankind (both Jew and Gentile) and God.
The enmity of Eph 2:14-18 is not between man and the law.
CONTEXT: Eph 2:11-13
"You who are Gentiles by birth. . .were excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise. . .but now in Christ Jesus you who were once far away have been brought near. . .
TEXT: Eph 2:14-16
he. . .has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.
His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace,
and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross."
The enmity was between Jew and Gentile--not between the law and mankind--because of the law which made Gentiles unclean to the Jews.
In abolishing the law with its commandments and regulations, which was the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility between Jew and Gentile, Jesus created in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace between Jew and Gentile as well as reconciling the two to God, all through the cross, by which Jesus put to death both
a) the hostility between Jew and Gentile, and
b) the enmity between mankind (both Jew and Gentile) and God.
The enmity of Eph 2:14-18 is not between man and the law.
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This is true, But these same gentiles were also of the people who complained, and showed a lack of faith? The ones who did not enter into Gods rest because of unbelief?
They were not saved because they followed the jews, it takes much more than following Gods people. going to church makes you no more a child of God than not going to church.
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Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
Mark 9:50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
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"They followed the Jews" ? 0__o . . . . I don't remeber any Jews leaving Egypt. I remember Hebrews, Abraham's decendants leavign Egypt. The term "Jew" did not come around until way way way later. And they were all reffered to as the children of Israel. They were Israelites, the term "Jew" isn't even used in the old testament once. Just because the Jewish people were the ones who kept Torah when the kingdom of Israel collapsed doesn't really mean the the Jewish refference was all the way back to Moses. Like I've said before, historically the term Jew comes from someone who is from the house of Judah, the southern kingdom. Before that, they were Israel.
And your statement kind of sounds like you're blaming the Jews for what happenned. . . . I'm just saying, that's how it comes across to me.
And your statement kind of sounds like you're blaming the Jews for what happenned. . . . I'm just saying, that's how it comes across to me.
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Acts 18:18 Paul takes a Nazirite vow.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]So Paul still remained a good while. Then he took leave of the brethren and sailed for Syria, and Priscilla and Aquila were with him. He had his hair cut off at Cenchrea, for he had taken a vow.
Acts 21:26 Paul finishes his Nazirite vow
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then Paul took the men, and the next day, having been purified with them, entered the temple to announce the expiration of the days of purification, at which time an offering should be made for each one of them.
Based off of these 2 passages, Paul is taking a Nazirite vow and finishing it. Which in the Nazirite vow there is this.
Numbers 6:13-15
[SUP]13 [/SUP]‘Now this is the law of the Nazirite: When the days of his separation are fulfilled, he shall be brought to the door of the tabernacle of meeting. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And he shall present his offering to the Lord: one male lamb in its first year without blemish as a burnt offering, one ewe lamb in its first year without blemish as a sin offering, one ram without blemish as a peace offering, [SUP]15 [/SUP]a basket of unleavened bread, cakes of fine flour mixed with oil, unleavened wafers anointed with oil, and their grain offering with their drink offerings.
So based off of this, there is a peace offering in the NT, except it was at the temple and not a tabernacle. Oh and this may just be me mistaking this, but for Paul to complete the Nazirite vow he would have to do all the offerings, there's more than just a peace offering in there.
Yes, we all live in grace who have totally embraced Jesus Christ.
This does not translate as disobedience or to hate the law any more, for the law no longer can condemn those who are in Jesus Christ. Now we are free to obey the law without the former enmity because we really do live in grace.
Anyone thinking we are free to disobey God's commandments has not quite gripped onto this teachingl.
No, you cannot be justified by the law, but condemnation does accompany deliberate disobedience. Know the difference. Believe Jesus Christ, and love Him. God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen. Shine for those who have not yet fund the Light.
This does not translate as disobedience or to hate the law any more, for the law no longer can condemn those who are in Jesus Christ. Now we are free to obey the law without the former enmity because we really do live in grace.
Anyone thinking we are free to disobey God's commandments has not quite gripped onto this teachingl.
No, you cannot be justified by the law, but condemnation does accompany deliberate disobedience. Know the difference. Believe Jesus Christ, and love Him. God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen. Shine for those who have not yet fund the Light.
This s true. The law was given in addition to blessings and cursing. Those same principles of blessing apply to all who are grafted in, or if you will circumcised in heart. Those who deny God's principles,and desire to neglect them also reap the same as a heart that is uncircumcised.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Romans 2:9-10
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Romans 2:9-10
So you, just like Just-me - see nothing different between the NT and the OT. Why call it a NT if there is nothing new? What was the "revelation of the mystery that was kept secret since the world began" but was revealed to Paul? Nothing new? "Even the mystery which was hid from ages and from generations but NOW is made manifest to his saints" . . . "this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory" . . . "Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit That the Gentiles should be made fellowheirs and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel" . . . You are saying that this was not kept a mystery [secret] until it was revealed to Paul through revelation of Jesus Christ [Gal. 1:12] but that it was done in the OT?
This is amazing to me that there are some that truly believe there is no difference between the OT and the NT!
This is amazing to me that there are some that truly believe there is no difference between the OT and the NT!
L
I think that the issue is that many don't look for Jesus throughout the word of God, not realizing that He's been speaking from the beginning.
Leviticus 26:10 And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
Matthew 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
This isn't talking about new things brought forth just out of the air...this is refering to HIS word.
The main duty of the scribes in the OT was to make copies of the original documents,
In the NT, the scribes main function was to study the law and to teach it to the people.
But Jesus said, "every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old."
Leviticus 26:10 And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
Matthew 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
This isn't talking about new things brought forth just out of the air...this is refering to HIS word.
The main duty of the scribes in the OT was to make copies of the original documents,
In the NT, the scribes main function was to study the law and to teach it to the people.
But Jesus said, "every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old."
B
Right, basically I see no difference on how to be obedient to God. The difference between OT and NT is that Yeshua has given us access to the Spirit, and He wrote the covenant on our hearts and in our mind instead of on a stone tablet. I belive God didn't change anything on how He operates, but changed us on how we operate that way we can come into a closer relationship with Him.