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For anyone claiming to be prophets I am not against anyone claiming to be a prophet because I believe that there is true as well as false but, I do not believe in blind faith and the Bible does not teach blind faith as well. If there is a prophet let them be tested by the church from the Bible so that all can know. If any is found to be true then that is good but, if any is found to be false then that is also good.
Why won't any of the people claiming to be prophets want to be tested? Where is your faith? Do you have faith in God and His word or something else?
Why won't any of the people claiming to be prophets want to be tested? Where is your faith? Do you have faith in God and His word or something else?
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I believe prophecy still exist but I'm not sure if prophets do. most do not have the faith and dedication. I believe God can raise them up but they would have to display a maturity in Christ and the fruits of the spirit that I find lacking in many who claim to be speaking with the authority of a prophet from God.
they must have love, joy, patience, peace, self control, kindness, knowledge, brotherly kindness, etc. A firm understanding about any of God already revealed words. humbleness and the Holy Spirit must testify that they are who they claim to be.
I have a question was Elisha a prophet before Elijah gave him a double portion of the spirit? Or did he only become a prophet after Elijah was taken up by the flaming chariot?
2 Kings 2:9
And so it was, when they had crossed over, that Elijah said to Elisha, “Ask! What may I do for you, before I am taken away from you?” Elisha said, “Please let a double portion of your spirit be upon me.”
they must have love, joy, patience, peace, self control, kindness, knowledge, brotherly kindness, etc. A firm understanding about any of God already revealed words. humbleness and the Holy Spirit must testify that they are who they claim to be.
I have a question was Elisha a prophet before Elijah gave him a double portion of the spirit? Or did he only become a prophet after Elijah was taken up by the flaming chariot?
2 Kings 2:9
And so it was, when they had crossed over, that Elijah said to Elisha, “Ask! What may I do for you, before I am taken away from you?” Elisha said, “Please let a double portion of your spirit be upon me.”
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lol Zone most of the Bible is just to reveal the same thing. people just don't listen very well. don't you know the whole Bible is a testimony of JESUS but people still don't get it. they read the bible over and over again but they make up excuses of how the words don't apply to them that is why testimony/prophecy is needed to show them that the BIBLE is talking about THEM not about others. that God loves THEM not because of what they do but because of what Jesus did through His life and sacrifice upon the cross and His resurrection. 
lol.
you know we had a conversation about spiritual gifts you narrow the category to really mean the apostolic gifts but most people have the broader category and misunderstand when they think you reject those apostolic gifts.
most cessationist still accept and acknowledge these gifts of the Holy Spirit right?
lol. you know we had a conversation about spiritual gifts you narrow the category to really mean the apostolic gifts but most people have the broader category and misunderstand when they think you reject those apostolic gifts.
most cessationist still accept and acknowledge these gifts of the Holy Spirit right?
lol Zone most of the Bible is just to reveal the same thing. people just don't listen very well. don't you know the whole Bible is a testimony of JESUS but people still don't get it. they read the bible over and over again but they make up excuses of how the words don't apply to them that is why testimony/prophecy is needed to show them that the BIBLE is talking about THEM not about others. that God loves THEM not because of what they do but because of what Jesus did through His life and sacrifice upon the cross and His resurrection. lol. ?
lol. ?
the Bible didn't exist yet. it was being REVEALED to them.
what you are describing is the pastor/teacher's job.
so i ask again: is God giving NEW REVELATION TODAY? if so, what is He saying He didn't already say?
if so, why isn't the church holding a council and adding to canon?
what's the last Book in your Bible called? what were Christ's last words?
is God the author of confusion?
LOL.
people don't even know what they are and were for let alone know what to believe in!
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AnandaHya in our natural minds we can think up and devise reasons we think to help people...like it seems you kinda think there has to be more human
influence to win mens souls...sorry if Im wrong. Is there anything God cant do? Do you believe God is incapable to call a mans heart? He creates them then He needs us? Do you think if they cant understand, its the book at fault ,or could it be their heart, or maybe they need a fellowship and be diciplined, and taught.
Im sorry your generation has been so overstimulated with trash tv and media so that a normal, peaceful living seems dead. Tell me im 56 with never a prophet,
what did I miss?
influence to win mens souls...sorry if Im wrong. Is there anything God cant do? Do you believe God is incapable to call a mans heart? He creates them then He needs us? Do you think if they cant understand, its the book at fault ,or could it be their heart, or maybe they need a fellowship and be diciplined, and taught.
Im sorry your generation has been so overstimulated with trash tv and media so that a normal, peaceful living seems dead. Tell me im 56 with never a prophet,
what did I miss?
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There can be no new revelation for new light cannot take away from the old but, expands on it.
Proverbs 22:28
(28) Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.
Isaiah 8:20
(20) To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Proverbs 22:28
(28) Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.
Isaiah 8:20
(20) To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
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The language of the so called prophets on CC do not speak prophetic language.
God gave dreams and visions to the prophets and they wrote it down in their own language or style. God did not dictate to them and they wrote down they wrote down what they saw in their own style that is why we have many styles in the Bible.
The book of Job is written in the same style as the books of Moses therefore Moses wrote Job. Hebrews is written in the style of Paul so we know that Paul wrote it. God inspired the prophets which makes the words they spoke the words of God.
Revelation 1:11
(11) Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Just to copy words from the Bible as some do that claim to be prophets is not prophecy, it might sound good but, it is not prophecy. To be a prophet they would have dreams and visions and write it down in there style.
A prophet will have dreams and visions revealing further insight into what is already revealed without showing anything new or different to what is already revealed. God has gone to great lengths to preserve the Bible, all we need is in the Bible God wants us to study and search the Bible, He is not going to spoon feed us all the time.
If there is something in the Bible that is relevant to our situation then God speaks to us through the Bible in that particular passage. Reading the Bible is an audience with the infinite one, we hear His word in the Bible it is the spoken word its words are words of life.
Proverbs 2:2-5
(2) So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
(3) Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
(4) If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
(5) Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
2 Timothy 2:15
(15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Has God changed? Does He speak to prophets in different ways today than in the past?
Malachi 3:6
(6) For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Numbers 12:6
(6) And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
Also when a prophet is in vision they will not breathe and they will have supernatural strength as it states in the 12 tests. So my question to all the people who claim to be prophets on CC has this happened to you? If no then you are not a prophet. Our faith must be in the word of God the Bible and a true prophet will agree with the Bible.
Isaiah 8:20
(20) To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
God gave dreams and visions to the prophets and they wrote it down in their own language or style. God did not dictate to them and they wrote down they wrote down what they saw in their own style that is why we have many styles in the Bible.
The book of Job is written in the same style as the books of Moses therefore Moses wrote Job. Hebrews is written in the style of Paul so we know that Paul wrote it. God inspired the prophets which makes the words they spoke the words of God.
Revelation 1:11
(11) Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Just to copy words from the Bible as some do that claim to be prophets is not prophecy, it might sound good but, it is not prophecy. To be a prophet they would have dreams and visions and write it down in there style.
A prophet will have dreams and visions revealing further insight into what is already revealed without showing anything new or different to what is already revealed. God has gone to great lengths to preserve the Bible, all we need is in the Bible God wants us to study and search the Bible, He is not going to spoon feed us all the time.
If there is something in the Bible that is relevant to our situation then God speaks to us through the Bible in that particular passage. Reading the Bible is an audience with the infinite one, we hear His word in the Bible it is the spoken word its words are words of life.
Proverbs 2:2-5
(2) So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
(3) Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
(4) If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
(5) Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
2 Timothy 2:15
(15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Has God changed? Does He speak to prophets in different ways today than in the past?
Malachi 3:6
(6) For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Numbers 12:6
(6) And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
Also when a prophet is in vision they will not breathe and they will have supernatural strength as it states in the 12 tests. So my question to all the people who claim to be prophets on CC has this happened to you? If no then you are not a prophet. Our faith must be in the word of God the Bible and a true prophet will agree with the Bible.
Isaiah 8:20
(20) To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Acts 2:16
But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel: Last Days refers to period between the First and Second Advents.
Joel is not concerned with a detailed list of events - he is addressing The Promise of The Holy Spirit, and it happened.
after describing Pentecost
See this is where you are totally wrong Zone... Look at Acts 8.... In the town of Samaria, Philip preached, and the Holy Spirit fell on NONE OF THEM YET!! so God must have missed the city of Samaria, and me, beaue God said over ALL FLESH... not all flesh except Samaria... ALL FLESH. And when did the sun not give his light any more? And when did the moon turn to blood? You see they were only the FIRST ONES TO BE poured out unto... that was the first day of the LAST DAYS>>> Not the last DAY ...DAYS Plural, that means more than one day. Penticost was the FIRST OF THE LAST DAYS... God did not say similtanously pour out my spirit.. Becasue here is the evidance..... Acts 8:15 and 16... Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them:
Jesus TOLD US....MANY false prophets..........
YES MANY...NOT ONLY FALSE PROHETS... Wrong again...
Ananda Prophets prophecy, and the gift of prophecy is for prophrts, and the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel: Last Days refers to period between the First and Second Advents.
Joel is not concerned with a detailed list of events - he is addressing The Promise of The Holy Spirit, and it happened.
after describing Pentecost
See this is where you are totally wrong Zone... Look at Acts 8.... In the town of Samaria, Philip preached, and the Holy Spirit fell on NONE OF THEM YET!! so God must have missed the city of Samaria, and me, beaue God said over ALL FLESH... not all flesh except Samaria... ALL FLESH. And when did the sun not give his light any more? And when did the moon turn to blood? You see they were only the FIRST ONES TO BE poured out unto... that was the first day of the LAST DAYS>>> Not the last DAY ...DAYS Plural, that means more than one day. Penticost was the FIRST OF THE LAST DAYS... God did not say similtanously pour out my spirit.. Becasue here is the evidance..... Acts 8:15 and 16... Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them:
Jesus TOLD US....MANY false prophets..........
YES MANY...NOT ONLY FALSE PROHETS... Wrong again...
Ananda Prophets prophecy, and the gift of prophecy is for prophrts, and the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
8So I was left alone and saw this great vision, and no strength was left in me, for my fresh appearance was turned to pallor; I grew weak and faint [with fright]. 9Then I heard the sound of his words; and when I heard the sound of his words, I fell on my face in a deep sleep, with my face [sunk] to the ground.
10And behold, a hand touched me, which set me [unsteadily] upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands.
11And [the angel] said to me, O Daniel, you greatly beloved man, understand the words that I speak to you and stand upright, for to you I am now sent. And while he was saying this word to me, I stood up trembling.
17For how can my lord's servant [who is so feeble] talk with this my lord? For now no strength remains in me, nor is there any breath left in me. 18Then there touched me again one whose appearance was like that of a man, and he strengthened me.
Doesn't say anything about the man dying. He was scared for one thing. He couldn't hardly breath he was so scared of what he was seeing and the fact that it was happening. He was taken over into the spirit world. Sometimes people have to use there brains, they need to think... Being in a trance a person is still alive and breathing. People need to think that the bible was rewritten by people who didn't even know all the meanings of the words. Plus the fact that they didn't really understand what it was all about. But if a person uses common sense they could see that man was slain in the spirit. Happens all the time. There down on the floor looking like unconscious. There still breathing. Please use your brains. Please don't get mad at me. Truly I'm not trying to be rude or mean. You can't go on with these silly teachings form person who didn't know what they were talking about. Please!
Read the next verse 18. He was touched. If he was dead and not breathing any more he wouldn't of known he was touched.
Your not getting it. Of course the word is from God. The word also uses the wording he went to sleep. Which means he died. To us we say the man died. We don't say he went to sleep.
Another wording is the dove. The dove came down on him as talking about the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit Spirit falls on people all the time doesn't have anything to do with a bird. They didn't know how to put in words what was happening.
A little common sense people have trances all the time and they do not die.
Or how bout when Jesus called people in the bible snakes? Do you think they actually looked like snakes? Come on common sense please.
Or Jesus called people dogs. They didn't look like dogs they were people. If I was read all the words in the bible and make believe they were all to be taken as literal it would be crazy. A person does not die when they go into a trance. That's silly. If they died they would go to heaven or hell.
Oh well he had 100 trances in his life. He died and was brought back to life 100 times. Come on.
It's nice talking to you though even if we don't agree. Oh the grass hopper people in the bible? They did not look like grass hoppers, meant they felt little compared to the bigger people.
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Daniel 10:9
(9) Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.
Genesis 2:21
(21) And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Do you understand the difference between death and sleep The Bible says that Daniel was in a deep sleep also Adam was in a deep sleep they did not die that is not what the Bible says.
The Holy Spirit was not a dove but, came down in the form of a dove
Luke 3:22
(22) And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
It could have been pure light that came down in bodily shape like a dove.
Which people go into trances all the time? I do not know anyone that goes into trances you make it sound as if it is common place. You need to read your Bible properly focus on Christ more and Satan less.
Hebrews 12:2
(2) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
2 Corinthians 3:18
(18) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
If our focus is on Christ we shall become like Him but if our focus is only on bad things then we will not become like Him.
There are many titles that appear to be coveted among the community of Christ in this day and time. People seem to want to precede there name with a title. Jesus said in Matthew 23:
5“Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi.’
8“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
13“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.''
I actually address this with a heavy heart. This is something I have observed for decades, and it is sad that in the family of God, there are still those who want to be seen as leading, and yet they do not display a servant's heart. Many want to be heard, but the mark of someone with the gift of teaching is the ability to lead by example. The disciples were very ordinary men. How did the disciples lead? They led the way by dying for Christ, and we are all to die daily. I have no title, but if I am remembered at all I would like to be remembered as one who loved, and one who laid down life and prestige and prominence for the One who died for me, and for my brothers and sisters in Christ.
I am not saying that there is no place for titles in the body of believers, but let the fruit of your life lived for Christ and your loving service to '' the least of these" do the speaking for the fact that Christ lives in you. God bless you
5“Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi.’
8“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
13“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.''
I actually address this with a heavy heart. This is something I have observed for decades, and it is sad that in the family of God, there are still those who want to be seen as leading, and yet they do not display a servant's heart. Many want to be heard, but the mark of someone with the gift of teaching is the ability to lead by example. The disciples were very ordinary men. How did the disciples lead? They led the way by dying for Christ, and we are all to die daily. I have no title, but if I am remembered at all I would like to be remembered as one who loved, and one who laid down life and prestige and prominence for the One who died for me, and for my brothers and sisters in Christ.
I am not saying that there is no place for titles in the body of believers, but let the fruit of your life lived for Christ and your loving service to '' the least of these" do the speaking for the fact that Christ lives in you. God bless you