Why the Prophets Need Each Other

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Why the Prophets Need Each Other

1 Cor 14:29
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.



1 Kings 19: 14
And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.



The spiritual environment the prophet enters today, as in Elijah’s time, is not one of peace and harmony among the people of God: but of rebellion, witchcraft, and violence. The clear word of God and His covenant through the Lord Jesus Christ is forsaken, the prophets are attacked and slain, and our mourning for the lost demonstration of the righteousness of God through Christ to be seen among His people takes firm hold upon us.
We are driven by fear, and that not alone for our own selves should we fail to deliver the warning message: but for the multitudes we know who will turn aside to religious fables, believing the lie, rejecting the truth, to their own destruction. And we may not stop.
The prophet Elijah knew the loneliness of prophetic ministry, and it is no less true for ourselves. He knew it entailed threat upon us of our very lives, for we know we are nothing without the life of God working in us. He also experienced attack from major evil in the darkest quarters of the enemy’s arsenal: false accusation, deliberate misinterpretation, manipulation, hatred, threat of death, and trouble on every side.
We are brought through difficulties of all kinds so that we may minister to those who have need, according to our testimony of the true and wonderful power of God, which is given us according to His certain promises. And this power is maligned, despised, dismembered and finally rejected, by those who believe they are doing God a service.
What can be done for the doubtful and unbelieving in this day, whose rejection of the truth of God causes them to teeter upon the cliff edge of delusion? Shall we propel them forwards into their early destiny? Or shall we reason with them who we know will be unable to help themselves from falling forwards into that swirling lie of the enemy’s making from which there is no return, if they do not repent?
Know that for us, there is comfort in our gathering, the sure counsel of God in our unity, correction for our excesses and deviations from the simplicity which is in Christ, as we reason and admonish each other together in the Holy Ghost.
Let them who reject His counsel do as they please, for God will not violate their free will. They will have recompense who trouble us, as the Lord has promised, and this is their just reward.
This is no time to be hiding in the cave of depression, despondency and despair. We who will work, while it is still “today”, let us work: acceptably in the Lord, remembering we are brethren who have not bowed the knee to all that baal signifies in these last days.
2 Thess 1
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
 

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Which prophets are you meaning for now? Again aside from the fact i believe the office of the prophet has done its job and is closed.. Not every believer even when their were prophets, was one. So which people do u mean?
 
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The problem is that many today don't know what a Prophet of God is. They may have read about them in the OT, but hardly ever come in contact with them today. This would be a good thread to examine who and what a prophet is.
 
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Which prophets are you meaning for now? Again aside from the fact i believe the office of the prophet has done its job and is closed.. Not every believer even when their were prophets, was one. So which people do u mean?
Prophets are people called by God to build the body of Christ. Not everyone is a Prophet of God just like everyone is not a teacher, Pastor or Apostle. Prophets are driven to serve regardless of a positive or negative outcome. :ie Jeremiah thrown into a pit and beaten. Whether you believe they exist is neither here nor there.
 
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Grace and peace to you from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The problem is that many today don't know what a Prophet of God is. They may have read about them in the OT, but hardly ever come in contact with them today. This would be a good thread to examine who and what a prophet is.
This is good -- I was wondering what the point of this thread might be.

We are driven by fear, and that not alone for our own selves should we fail to deliver the warning message: but for the multitudes we know who will turn aside to religious fables, believing the lie, rejecting the truth, to their own destruction. And we may not stop.
Elijah feared for his life -- is there anything in scripture which supports the notion that prophets fear (or are to fear) "for the multitudes", as the OP puts it? Can you clarify?
 

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Scripture says that the prophets must agree with the prophets.

1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

So whether it's an OT prophet or a NT prophet they must agree or be subject to one another.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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If we would stop wrongly dividing the word of God into certain doctrines and categories, saying this or that is past concerning what God has spoken, there would be less controversy, less bickering about this or that, less deception, and much more edification. Leading questions would lessen that have little or no foundation behind them other than to instigate an argument. It seems as if what some are scared of (deep in their heart) concerning the truth in God's everlasting word according to false doctrine needs to vanish, be considered obsolete by the fulfillment of Christ, because that's the only way to feel secure, while claiming in vain what really isn't there.

What we all need to be convinced of is that all of what God has ever spoken, and given to us for instruction, whether 6000 years ago or yesterday, is sure, true, and everlasting. ALL of God's word is current, it is righteous, it is truth, yesterday, today, and forever and there is not the least contradiction in it. The problem is that carnality is incapable of discerning the spiritual truth in the word of God. This is easy to detect when division in God's word is taught and preached.

Division from sin is where it's at, not division form anything God has ever spoken and given to us for reproof, instruction, and correction.

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. (Hebrews 13:8)

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (2 Timothy 3:16)
 
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It seems as if what some are scared of (deep in their heart) concerning the truth in God's everlasting word according to false doctrine needs to vanish, be considered obsolete by the fulfillment of Christ, because that's the only way to feel secure, while claiming in vain what really isn't there.
Thank you, just-me, for your response -- I agree with your conclusion; 'division from sin, is where it's at'.
Can you please clarify the above? I am having difficulties understanding this fear.
 
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The problem is that many today don't know what a Prophet of God is. They may have read about them in the OT, but hardly ever come in contact with them today. This would be a good thread to examine who and what a prophet is.

I have often seen that people in general do not know what a prophet really is. They think it is someone who simply tells the future, which is only one aspect of it. A prophet is far more than just a person with that ability.
A prophet is basically a spokesman for God, a person chosen by God to speak to people on God's behalf and convey a message or teaching. Prophets were role models of holiness, scholarship and closeness to God. They set the standards for the entire community.
 
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Thank you, just-me, for your response -- I agree with your conclusion; 'division from sin, is where it's at'.
Can you please clarify the above? I am having difficulties understanding this fear.
Many demand the law of God to be gone because they cannot comprehend it spiritually. Anything that is seen as a threat to the carnal mind is purposefully rejected, using certain scriptures,(out of context) attempting to prove their point. Satan used the same tactics on Eve and on Jesus during the 40 days He was tested in the wilderness, and in order to resist the devil Jesus quoted Deuteronomy (law) 3 times. If we deny the law, we have little or no power over the adversary.

People have no escape without the indwelling Spirit of God whether they say they have it or not. The Word and the Spirit must work together. Without the Word one will never know what spirit is actually leading them. Without the Spirit one will never be able to accurately announce the truth of the Word. I'm not saying that a person with both knows all the answers, but a true prophet knows what God has said to them so they can enlighten the masses.

"For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." (Romans 8:6-7)
 
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Why the Prophets Need Each Other
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Excellent thread!
We do need each other because there is comfort in knowing we share something difficult with others. The opposition is appalling. I had a thread started over a year ago and the first reply after the OP was, “I don't even understand why you post when you have God directly talking to you.”
 
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Thank you, just-me, for your response -- I agree with your conclusion; 'division from sin, is where it's at'.
Can you please clarify the above? I am having difficulties understanding this fear.

It works the other way too, which is more easy to understand. Those that attempt to keep the law physically by self justification, (having no faith) are also missing the boat. The law is spiritual, not carnal, for the Giver is a Spirit.

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24)

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But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" (Acts 24:14)
 
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Excellent thread!
We do need each other because there is comfort in knowing we share something difficult with others. The opposition is appalling. I had a thread started over a year ago and the first reply after the OP was, “I don't even understand why you post when you have God directly talking to you.”
So, just-us-2, you're claiming to be a prophet?

By the way, what's the significance of the crusader shield avatar? Are you a supporter of Richard the Lionheart?
 
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People have no escape without the indwelling Spirit of God whether they say they have it or not. The Word and the Spirit must work together. Without the Word one will never know what spirit is actually leading them. Without the Spirit one will never be able to accurately announce the truth of the Word. I'm not saying that a person with both knows all the answers, but a true prophet knows what God has said to them so they can enlighten the masses.

"For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." (Romans 8:6-7)
Thank you :)
 

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I'm a little confused here. I see what is being described here as the duties of the pastor of any church. Maybe some of you can clarify the difference. Please keep it brief.
 
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Excellent thread!
We do need each other because there is comfort in knowing we share something difficult with others. The opposition is appalling. I had a thread started over a year ago and the first reply after the OP was, “I don't even understand why you post when you have God directly talking to you.”
I have started reading that thread and although I am short for time, these are things I have believed for a long time...I am not saying I am 100% in agreement with everything as I have not read everything, but I totally believe there are consequences for believers in this day and age that reach through the pages of the OT

You are right...God does NOT change and His words are life...we DO choose whom we will serve so this day, choose life!!
 
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I have often seen that people in general do not know what a prophet really is. They think it is someone who simply tells the future, which is only one aspect of it. A prophet is far more than just a person with that ability.
A prophet is basically a spokesman for God, a person chosen by God to speak to people on God's behalf and convey a message or teaching. Prophets were role models of holiness, scholarship and closeness to God. They set the standards for the entire community.
Agreed

Another very interesting item of note, is that God works THROUGH AND WITH the personality of the one he has called...He does not over ride their brains and He does not control them

We easily see this in the OT ... the reactions different prophets had as well as the desire to disobey or be in disagreement with what the Spirit of God was indicating to them

Today, words must be carefully weighed for as Jesus has told us, many false Christs or prophets have gone out into the world

I believe EVERY prophet must have discernment and must listen and weigh what they think they hear before speaking or acting
 

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Prophets changed after the apostolic church age. Prophets today are pastors and evangelists who speak forth the word of God the bible.

1 Cor 13:8 does say that prophecies will fail when the perfect is come. If some dude comes up to you and says that he is a prophet I would exercise great caution about anything he says. It must 100% in line with the bible or he is a false prophet.

I will never understand the ego of one who would claim to be a prophet or an apostle in the modern church age.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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Prophets changed after the apostolic church age. Prophets today are pastors and evangelists who speak forth the word of God the bible.

1 Cor 13:8 does say that prophecies will fail when the perfect is come. If some dude comes up to you and says that he is a prophet I would exercise great caution about anything he says. It must 100% in line with the bible or he is a false prophet.

I will never understand the ego of one who would claim to be a prophet or an apostle in the modern church age.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
This brought another question to my mind. Matthew 7:22-23 is a very strong condemnation of false prophets. With this in mind, would you claim to be a prophet? I know that Satan uses the weaknesses of man to deceive the world. If I felt that God was leading me to prophesy, I would bathe it in much prayer and fasting.
 
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For some, it's as if the Cross never happened.