Why the Prophets Need Each Other
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Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Apostle John shows these last days started back when he was still alive;
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Apostle John shows these last days started back when he was still alive;
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Amen, a NT prophet is definitely not a fortune teller: that would be what leads to Simony since people are always eager to know the future and will pay for it if they think it will benefit them.
The warnings of God through a prophet however are most often conditional, because coming from the heart of God's love He would always want us to repent from our evil ways so that He can give us His best.
Having said that there are many naming the name of Christ who really don't care whether they please Him or not, and will carry on doing what they like in spite of the warnings, as above, unfortunately reaping God's promised judgment instead.
Blessings and love!
Con
The warnings of God through a prophet however are most often conditional, because coming from the heart of God's love He would always want us to repent from our evil ways so that He can give us His best.
Having said that there are many naming the name of Christ who really don't care whether they please Him or not, and will carry on doing what they like in spite of the warnings, as above, unfortunately reaping God's promised judgment instead.
Blessings and love!
Con
Hey there just-us-2. Agree with you re the opposition. Cessationism is often at the root of it because what they say doesn't happen any more is happening through us. Not because we are anything special, but because we believe God and His word, and are willing to explore the calling He has placed on our lives whatever the cost.
Nice post, thank you!
Nice post, thank you!
K
Yes I like threads like this because we need to give our testimonies.
We have to stand up together against the doctrines of man that naysayers continue to to teach a miss-representation of scripture to say the gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased, using 1 Corinthians 13 mainly to do this.
I also seen one in the thread about tongues trying to use Romans 12 to prove tongues don't exist because Paul does not mention it with the other gifts in that chapter.
The reason it was not mentioned in that chapter is because Paul was speaking on the gifts that are done through us by the Holy Spirit to edify others as he is speaking of them functioning within the Church body. Tongues Paul shows in 1 Corinthians 14:4, 14:26 is for self edification.
We have to stand up together against the doctrines of man that naysayers continue to to teach a miss-representation of scripture to say the gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased, using 1 Corinthians 13 mainly to do this.
I also seen one in the thread about tongues trying to use Romans 12 to prove tongues don't exist because Paul does not mention it with the other gifts in that chapter.
The reason it was not mentioned in that chapter is because Paul was speaking on the gifts that are done through us by the Holy Spirit to edify others as he is speaking of them functioning within the Church body. Tongues Paul shows in 1 Corinthians 14:4, 14:26 is for self edification.
Hi Kenneth,
Yes I agree and I have heard so many people describe self-edification in the Holy Spirit as if it is something bad. There is a difference between building up and puffing up: building ourselves up in our most holy faith through our gift tends to strong edification because we are built solidly on the Rock which is Christ; while puffing up is like a paper bag or a balloon, self-inflated, prideful.
thanks.
Yes I agree and I have heard so many people describe self-edification in the Holy Spirit as if it is something bad. There is a difference between building up and puffing up: building ourselves up in our most holy faith through our gift tends to strong edification because we are built solidly on the Rock which is Christ; while puffing up is like a paper bag or a balloon, self-inflated, prideful.
thanks.If they did many would soon call them false prophets because no one is supposedly allowed to call themselves such.
Check out the difference between the word logos and the word rhema in the New Testament. Both refer to the word of God but the first is written, and the second, spoken, as in what the prophet brings forth.
Check out the difference between the word logos and the word rhema in the New Testament. Both refer to the word of God but the first is written, and the second, spoken, as in what the prophet brings forth.
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Galahad here. I know none of you want me to throw in my two bits. Now knock it off!
Always remember, where there are embers, there are ignition points. Flames will inevitably be a blazing. Don't fan them. Just get out, quick.
It's funny. It is.
I read somewhere in this thread that Peaceful Warrior activates LIKE too many times. The suggestion was that LIKE is just that: You LIKE the post. But PW LIKEs even the ones he disagrees with and so was not using it correctly.
Peaceful Warrior is his name. And he is very much one who strives for peace. He tries to calm down heated debates when they get too personal, insulting. Utah does the same. General too. So does that blue lady bug.
Now knock it off!
And remember, embers are dangerous.
Or as one wise bear said...
Always remember, where there are embers, there are ignition points. Flames will inevitably be a blazing. Don't fan them. Just get out, quick.
It's funny. It is.
I read somewhere in this thread that Peaceful Warrior activates LIKE too many times. The suggestion was that LIKE is just that: You LIKE the post. But PW LIKEs even the ones he disagrees with and so was not using it correctly.
Peaceful Warrior is his name. And he is very much one who strives for peace. He tries to calm down heated debates when they get too personal, insulting. Utah does the same. General too. So does that blue lady bug.
Now knock it off!
And remember, embers are dangerous.
Or as one wise bear said...
Doesn't sound correct to me. There is no new prophesy and no new revelation from God.
One can exposit the word of God which is the bible but there is nothing new to be added. The test is the bible not some abstract feeling or sense we man feel we have.
The problem and the danger is that we believe what we want to believe not what God has already given us. Reject the word of God and receive the lie.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
One can exposit the word of God which is the bible but there is nothing new to be added. The test is the bible not some abstract feeling or sense we man feel we have.
The problem and the danger is that we believe what we want to believe not what God has already given us. Reject the word of God and receive the lie.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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cross, there are definitely present-day prophets......
as the END-DAYS approach, they will be made manifest more and more.....
for our Father always sends us warnings.........
no names, but some of the prophets are here and many more are coming......
particularly the TWO-WITNESSES...
in our opinion, they won't be the ONLY ONES.......
cross, there are definitely present-day prophets......
as the END-DAYS approach, they will be made manifest more and more.....
for our Father always sends us warnings.........
no names, but some of the prophets are here and many more are coming......
particularly the TWO-WITNESSES...
in our opinion, they won't be the ONLY ONES.......
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here is a prophecy from the OT against false prophets
God indicates how He views false prophecy....it seems so many want to forge ahead and declare themselves a prophet when God has not said and God does not speak through them
on the other hand, God does most certainly stand behind and uphold the words of those He actually has called
discernment certainly would be required it seems to me....yet so many run after feelings and experiences rather then God
we don't have to work up the Holy Spirit and we do not have to be strange in order to speak for Him
I think it is very important to note that false prophets do have visions, dreams and do seem to be guided by a spirit
motives play a part in this gift IMO, even when it is genuine
Ezekiel 13
1The word of the Lord came to me: 2“Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: ‘Hear the word of the Lord! 3This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the foolish[SUP]a[/SUP] prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 4Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals among ruins.5You have not gone up to the breaches in the wall to repair it for the people of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord.
6Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. Even though the Lord has not sent them, they say, “TheLord declares,” and expect him to fulfill their words. 7Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The Lord declares,” though I have not spoken?
8“ ‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign Lord.
My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.
10“ ‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash, 11therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 12When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?”
God indicates how He views false prophecy....it seems so many want to forge ahead and declare themselves a prophet when God has not said and God does not speak through them
on the other hand, God does most certainly stand behind and uphold the words of those He actually has called
discernment certainly would be required it seems to me....yet so many run after feelings and experiences rather then God
we don't have to work up the Holy Spirit and we do not have to be strange in order to speak for Him
I think it is very important to note that false prophets do have visions, dreams and do seem to be guided by a spirit
motives play a part in this gift IMO, even when it is genuine
Ezekiel 13
1The word of the Lord came to me: 2“Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: ‘Hear the word of the Lord! 3This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the foolish[SUP]a[/SUP] prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 4Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals among ruins.5You have not gone up to the breaches in the wall to repair it for the people of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord.
6Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. Even though the Lord has not sent them, they say, “TheLord declares,” and expect him to fulfill their words. 7Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The Lord declares,” though I have not spoken?
8“ ‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign Lord.
My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.
10“ ‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash, 11therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 12When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?”
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Quit with the smoke, names please.
Even in the OT we are told to see if what they say comes true, if not JUDGE them as false. In the NT we are told to test the spirits.
NAMES PLEASE NO SMOKING.
OBTW, That's a false distinction between rhema and logos as sometimes they are used interchangeably.
Even in the OT we are told to see if what they say comes true, if not JUDGE them as false. In the NT we are told to test the spirits.
NAMES PLEASE NO SMOKING.
OBTW, That's a false distinction between rhema and logos as sometimes they are used interchangeably.
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yes there are present day false prophets, those get named. I'm waiting for prophets to be named today.
The two tribulation prophets will be here after the Church age and even then it appears they speak no new revelation but only what has already been revealed in God's Word. The unique thing is that they do mighty miracles as in OT times with Moses and cannot be killed until the appointed time.
The two tribulation prophets will be here after the Church age and even then it appears they speak no new revelation but only what has already been revealed in God's Word. The unique thing is that they do mighty miracles as in OT times with Moses and cannot be killed until the appointed time.
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Explain these then because they are not talking about false prophets or the two witnesses alone;
Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: