Being without sin
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Perhaps I should clarify from previous posts...in defense of myself against the claim that I'm still pursuing a law of ordinances. I believe the law written on our hearts is not the Law of Moses, but refers to the fulfillment of all laws as they are summarized in the commandments to love God with all our heart soul mind and strength and to love our neighbor as ourself. In other words, the law on our hearts is a way of saying that we have God's own character of love, compassion, justice, mercy and holiness. Again, however, I don't think these things are given to us or "imputed" in Bible-speak. These are qualities that we attain through grace by having a relationship with God and TRYING to be like Him in these things. If one does nothing more than wait for God to give these qualities, then someday they will be buried and still not have them. If, however, one takes opportunities to practice love, compassion, and so forth, one day they will, through God's grace, BE love, compassion, and so forth embodied. As a last point, I think all Christians are called by Christ to walk and live in this way, and that, in the words of Christ Himself, not to strive for God's character leaves on in jeopardy of never knowing God in the way He wants to be known.
To some extent this is a trap question. I'll do my best to answer it fairly, however.
Simple reponse: yes, I think God does have children who do not yet have His nature, key being yet.
Allow me to open a can of worms. I'm firmly convinced of something that is unorthodox, but which has great bearing on this conversation, albeit indirectly. I do not think it is biblical to speak of anyone (yes, ANYONE) as being "saved" in the present tense. No one will be saved until the day of judgment, when the sheep and the goats are divided to the right and to the left. I've got an incomplete study on a "new" blog of the biblical use of the Greek word for "save" that I will link for those wishing to peruse it. Please remember it is incomplete and I know that: http://www.christiantheologyessayist.blogspot.com/
As for when we are saved and how that relates to the present discussion...
I am convinced that we are saved from death and not from sin, and further convinced that this can only be true in the sense that we will one day be saved from the second (final) death. Only once we are saved from the second death are we given our glorified bodies, and, I would argue, only then do we have a nature like His...not able to sin. Until then we have confidence in Him, in His goodness and His promises, so that we are able to have assurance that on that day we will be saved. It is in this sense that, as we do not yet have His nature fully, we are now children of God, but not in the fullest sense as will be realized at a future time.
Simple reponse: yes, I think God does have children who do not yet have His nature, key being yet.
Allow me to open a can of worms. I'm firmly convinced of something that is unorthodox, but which has great bearing on this conversation, albeit indirectly. I do not think it is biblical to speak of anyone (yes, ANYONE) as being "saved" in the present tense. No one will be saved until the day of judgment, when the sheep and the goats are divided to the right and to the left. I've got an incomplete study on a "new" blog of the biblical use of the Greek word for "save" that I will link for those wishing to peruse it. Please remember it is incomplete and I know that: http://www.christiantheologyessayist.blogspot.com/
As for when we are saved and how that relates to the present discussion...
I am convinced that we are saved from death and not from sin, and further convinced that this can only be true in the sense that we will one day be saved from the second (final) death. Only once we are saved from the second death are we given our glorified bodies, and, I would argue, only then do we have a nature like His...not able to sin. Until then we have confidence in Him, in His goodness and His promises, so that we are able to have assurance that on that day we will be saved. It is in this sense that, as we do not yet have His nature fully, we are now children of God, but not in the fullest sense as will be realized at a future time.
I believe that we can go without sinning also, but we can't go without sin, for we are flesh! however Jesus did give us a prayer to do on a daily basis, and in this prayer He told us to ask forgiveness of our debts/trespasses. so why would He tell us to ask for forgiveness daily? and the verse where people says that we can't go without sin is
1jo 1:8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
So I have sin but I don't have to sin, by the power of God through Jesus Christ .
1co 10:13There hath no TEMPTATION taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the TEMPTATION also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
2pe 2:9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of TEMPTATIONS, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
Please, read the words of Our Lord Jesus, the letters of Paul, all that is written in Jesus Our Lord and Savior.
Understand that by accepting Jesus we are free of sin. That in Jesus our flesh died on the cross, but was reserected with him as well.
That body that is born in Jesus is free from sin, the physical body of the world is dead.
Although our bodys die more each day our souls in Jesus grow stronger in his spirit free of sin and overcoming the world in Christ Jesus!
This does not mean we can go out and freely sin, for if you truelly are of Jesus your desire is in him. As we died in him we also rose in him.
That each of us in Jesus may live more in him every day!
Listen to the words of Jesus as you read them, let the Holy Spirit help you know the truth in Jesus Our Lord and Savior.
All of the scripture is true, in milk and in meat.
God bless, pickles
Understand that by accepting Jesus we are free of sin. That in Jesus our flesh died on the cross, but was reserected with him as well.
That body that is born in Jesus is free from sin, the physical body of the world is dead.
Although our bodys die more each day our souls in Jesus grow stronger in his spirit free of sin and overcoming the world in Christ Jesus!
This does not mean we can go out and freely sin, for if you truelly are of Jesus your desire is in him. As we died in him we also rose in him.
That each of us in Jesus may live more in him every day!
Listen to the words of Jesus as you read them, let the Holy Spirit help you know the truth in Jesus Our Lord and Savior.
All of the scripture is true, in milk and in meat.
God bless, pickles
I am refuring to the scripture about meat and milk.
It seems I always had this meal served, but was afraid to truelly appreatiat it.
It is in recient months and yes the last few days that I have seen what I knew, yet did not know.
Through reading the words of others here and scripture, I have been able to confrem, and in faith through Jesus I am no longer afraid of what I saw.
I hope this makes sence, you and others were the ones that kept speaking of meat.
It is those words that helped me to conferm and give my fears to Jesus.
God bless, pickles
It seems I always had this meal served, but was afraid to truelly appreatiat it.
It is in recient months and yes the last few days that I have seen what I knew, yet did not know.
Through reading the words of others here and scripture, I have been able to confrem, and in faith through Jesus I am no longer afraid of what I saw.
I hope this makes sence, you and others were the ones that kept speaking of meat.
It is those words that helped me to conferm and give my fears to Jesus.
God bless, pickles
