Who Is Melchizedek ?

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: : The last of his kinds . ... :dontknow:
:smoke: For most of his fellows ( prophets :think: ) were
never mentioned in the holy scripture :happy:

this is melquisedec according to from what is written :happy:
Hebrews: 7. 3. Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
4. Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

15. And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

17. For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

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Another advantage of Christ's priesthood is its continuity.

Take for example the Jews' covenanted priesthood. They haven't had access
to its services since Titus destroyed Jerusalem in 70ad. Which means of
course that 1,945 years worth of Yom Kippurs have been merely for show
because the Day Of Atonement cannot be observed properly and effectively
without a fully functioning covenanted priesthood.

In contrast: Christ's priesthood isn't effected by wars, and/or geopolitics. He
officiates in heaven where nothing happening on earth can reach to either
interfere with, or interrupt, his services.

And seeing as how Christ rose from the dead immortal (Rom 6:9, Heb 7:3),
then death will never be a factor in the length of his priesthood tenure.

†. Ps 110:4 . . Yhvh has sworn and will not change His mind: You are a priest
forever, in the order of Melchizedek.

NOTE: The order of Melchizedek is a "high priest" order (Heb 2:17). Well;
the Bible limits the number of high priests in office at a time to just one; and
the man stays in office till he's dead before being replaced-- which of course
means that Mormonism's order of Melchizedek is unbiblical: and so, for that
matter, is Mormonism's order of Aaron seeing as how his was the office of a
high priest too.

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When I read Tintin's answer, the first thing that sprang to mind was exactly that "Samuel Jones." I even thought "Smith" after. Just goes to prove warped minds think alike. lol
 
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Melchizedek is Noah's son Shem. Shem lived to be 600 years old and was 390 years old when Abraham was born and he was 565 when Abraham died at 175 and Shem outlived all of the generations of his own son.

Part of the mystery of Melchizedek (I STILL can't spell that name without spellcheck...yeesh! lol) is he had no genealogy. No mother or father. (Hebrews 7:3) So that's not who he was.

Old Hermit had me do a thorough study on him recently.
 
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You know Paul wrote the book of Hebrews...right?
Actually the scholars are mixed on who wrote Hebrews. No one knows for sure. But, if you're going to go with majority wins, (which you shouldn't go for), then most scholars think Apollo. Fortunately, it doesn't really matter since God inspired the Book of Hebrews, no matter who he inspired to write the words.
 
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By oldhermit

I. Who was Melchizedek? 6:20-8:6.
A. There have been many speculations as to who exactly this Melchizedek was. The speculations range for the possible to the absurd. Here is a list of some of those speculations.

1. He was the pre-incarnate Christ. This is a popular notion.
2. He was the Holy Spirit.
3. He was an angel.
4. He was Enoch. By the time Abraham meets Melchizedek, Enoch had been gone for more than a thousand years.
5. He was Shem, the son of Noah.
6. He was an extra-ordinary emanation of deity.
The only one of these speculation that bears any kind of merit is that he may have possibly been Shem the son of Noah. This is physically possible for Shem and Abraham are contemporaries. In fact Shem did not die until after Isaac married. As far as any of the rest of the speculation as to the manner of being Melchizedek was, the Hebrew writer leaves no room for speculation. He was a man.

B. Melchizedek in not a proper name but a title. The ancient kings of pre-Israel Jerusalem were called the Tsedeks. Melchizedek is from Meleck meaning King and Tsedek meaning righteousness. Thus, king of righteousness. He was the King of Salem meaning peace. This Salem would later be called Jerusalem meaning foundation of peace. In Joshua 10:1 we encounter another Tsedel of Salem called Adoni-Tsedek meaning lord of righteousness. The difference between these to men in the deterioration of the worship from the time of Melch-Tsedek to Adoni-Tsedek.
C. The nature of Melchizedek – He was a man. “Now consider how great this man was....” The word man in not represented in the text either by ἄνθρωπος nor ἀνήρ. It is provided by the gender of the pronoun οὗτος which is nominative masculine singular for this one. Thus, this man.

1. The fact that he is a High Priest of God demands that he is of the human race. In 5:1 we learn that every High Priest is taken from among men.
2. As a man, he had a genealogy. Whose genealogy was not derived from them (the Levites).” This is in the possessive which says that he had a genealogy but, that it was not traced from the priestly tribe of Levi.

II. Melchizedek is Both King and Priest, 1-2.
Melchizedek is only one of many shadows of Christ in the Old Testament. He is the example of how the function of both offices can are fulfilled in one man. The two offices of king and priest are manifestly contrary to one another in as much as the administration of the one stands in stark opposition to the other. As king, he is the administrator of justice to the sinner. As priest, he is the administrator of mercy. Mercy cannot satisfy the demands of justice for the sinner goes unpunished. On the other hand, justice in administered to the sinner, is a complete absence of mercy because the penalty for sin is death. So, how can both offices be effected in one man to render both justice and mercy at the same time?
A. As King, he renders the sentence of death to the sinner. “The person who sins, will die.” Ezekiel 18:20. Because the demand for justice must be met in order for God's holiness to be satisfied, someone must die for sin. It is God's justice that preserves his holiness so for God to allow sin to go unpunished is a violation of his nature.
B. As High Priest, he must supply mercy to the sinner for this is the function of the office. The sinner is guilty and it is imperative that the sin be punished but, as Priest, he must pardon the offender and allow him to go unpunished, 4:14-16. How then does he both demand justice and extend mercy to the sinner?
Jesus himself pays the penalty for all sin for all time for all men. Calvary is the satisfaction of God to extradite his justice on the sins of humanity. Thus, as High Priest, he is able to pardon those who will appropriate to themselves the blood of atonement, 2Thessalonians 1:8-9.

III. A High Priest Without Genealogy, 3.
A. “Without father, mother, or genealogy.” Like Jesus, Melchizedek does not receive his priesthood from his a predecessor. In the Levitical system, the high priest was descended only through the line of Aaron. 1Chronicles 6:50-52. But, the office of the high priest was not passed on to Melchizedek by his father, nor did he in turn pass it on to his heir. In other words, his is a one-man-forever-priesthood.

B. “Having neither beginning of days nor end of life.” In this there are three possibilities.

1. That this refers to the person of Melchizedek the man. Some argue from this that Melchizedek was not a man but some supernatural being who was neither born of human parents not had a beginning or end of life. But, as the text says, he was a man and as such, he had a past, 6. Some view this with the preceding statement as simply a Hebraism which stresses the obscurity of his genealogy and posterity. Perhaps.
2. That this refers not to the man himself but to his priesthood. This priesthood is unlike that of the Levitical system. We can look back at Sinai and see where the Levitical priesthood had its beginning of days with the anointing of Aaron and his sons, Exodus 28:1ff. We can then look forward from there to the cross and see where this priesthood saw its end of life. Now, a new and greater covenant is inaugurated in Jesus “according to a the power of an endless life.” But, this may not apply to just the priesthood apart from the man because this is a one man priesthood and apart from the man there is no priesthood.
3. That this refers to the man as a high priest. As a man he had a beginning of days and an end of life. As high priest, he has neither but remains a priest continually. This contrasts the priests of the Levitical system whose “beginning of days” began at the age of twenty-five when they began to serve as priests. They reached their “end of life” at the age of fifty when they completed their appointed time of priestly service, Numbers 8:24-25.

C. “But made like the Son of God.” Here, the order is reversed. In 6:20, Christ is presented as a High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. Now, Melchizedek is said to be a High Priest who was made like the Son of God. Like everything else that is type, Melchizedek is the shadow of the reality. This is like the building of the tabernacle in Exodus 25:40 being built according to the “pattern shown to you on the mountain.” Everything that is shadow must be patterned according to the substance it represents. The substance ALWAYS precedes the type. It must reflect the reality.
D. He “remains a priest continually.” His priesthood is uninterrupted even by death. He leaves his office to no one else. Although Melchizedek has been dead for many centuries, he is still the central figure in the one man forever priesthood. Like the Son of God, he carries his priest beyond the grave. His priesthood, in contrast to that of the Levites is not bound by the physical - “not according to the law of fleshly commandment,” 15-16. This fleshly commandment says that the Levitical priest must end his days of service at the age of 50. The High Priest ended his days of service at his death. In contrast, the priesthood of Melchizedek is greater. He continues as the High Priest of his priesthood even though he is dead, 8.
I was hoping you'd weigh in. :)
 
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I will never believe that Melchizedek was some flesh man, and not our Lord Jesus in OT times. One of the main reasons is because our Lord Jesus Immanuel (God with us) being a High Priest after the 'order' of a flesh man (i.e., a fleshy Melchizedek idea) would mean Christ's Priest Office followed after the flesh, and did not originate from Him instead.
And I would never believe the Phillies could go from winning a World Series in 2008, to getting in it again (but losing) in 2010, to going all the way to the basement of the MBL by 2015, and yet it happened. Seriously, if you want to believe Melchizedek (I finally spelled his name without spellcheck yippee!) was Jesus, I see nothing wrong with that. I disagree, but I still see nothing wrong with you believing that. But, one day we'll be standing in front of Jesus and both be embarrassed by much of what we would never change our minds about. :)
 

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B. Melchizedek in not a proper name but a title. The ancient kings of pre-Israel Jerusalem were called the Tsedeks. Melchizedek is from Meleck meaning King and Tsedek meaning righteousness. Thus, king of righteousness. He was the King of Salem meaning peace. This Salem would later be called Jerusalem meaning foundation of peace. In Joshua 10:1 we encounter another Tsedel of Salem called Adoni-Tsedek meaning lord of righteousness. The difference between these to men in the deterioration of the worship from the time of Melch-Tsedek to Adoni-Tsedek.
I would say that both names are either theophoric names, or titles for the Jebusite ruler in Jerusalem.

....most people don't know about the similar name and position in Josh 10. There's another similar one in Judg 1.
 
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Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Melchizedek is the Tree of Life on the other side of the river.
 

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Melchizedek was a Jebusite king of Salem who had a peace treaty with Abraham which entitled Melchizedek to receive one tenth of anything taken by Abraham in war. He was priest of El Elyon God Most High.

David and his descendants inherited the priesthood of Melchizedek so that Melchizedek became a type of Christ.
 
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Actually the scholars are mixed on who wrote Hebrews. No one knows for sure. But, if you're going to go with majority wins, (which you shouldn't go for), then most scholars think Apollo. Fortunately, it doesn't really matter since God inspired the Book of Hebrews, no matter who he inspired to write the words.
wrong...but it was not a post to you ..it was a post to someone who denies Paul
 
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Gen 14:17 And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.
Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
 

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†. Heb 5:9-11 . . He became to all those who obey him the source of eternal
salvation, being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of
Melchizedek. Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain,
since you have become dull of hearing.

"dull" of hearing is not so much a physical impediment, nor a low IQ. The
problem is indifference. For example:

†. Heb 6:12 . . We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who
through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.

The Greek word for "lazy" in that passage is the very same word for "dull"
and it has reference to a lack of interest.

In other words: a serious study of the priesthood order of Melchizedek, and
as to how it relates to Christ, is not everyone's cup of tea. I daresay that
most Christians would rather talk around it rather than actually get into the
technical aspects of it-- the nuts and bolts of it; so to speak --because it's
not all that entertaining; hence it would be very difficult, if not impossible,
for them to stay awake and pay attention.

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Actually the scholars are mixed on who wrote Hebrews. No one knows for sure. But, if you're going to go with majority wins, (which you shouldn't go for), then most scholars think Apollo. Fortunately, it doesn't really matter since God inspired the Book of Hebrews, no matter who he inspired to write the words.
Apollo? So the Greek god of music wrote Hebrews? Interesting.
 
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Samuel is the greatest prophet/priest that took and gave kingship to King David. He was/is the Holy spirit that dwells in Samuel at that time.
The Holy Spirit is, of course, timeless. Again Melchizedick is a word meaning the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit was not mentioned in at the time of Abraham, and in that context, as such until later............it was not time yet.
 
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Samuel is the greatest prophet/priest that took and gave kingship to King David. He was/is the Holy spirit that dwells in Samuel at that time.
The Holy Spirit is, of course, timeless. Again Melchizedick is a word meaning the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit was not mentioned in at the time of Abraham, and in that context, as such until later............it was not time yet.
Erm. No. I figured you meant Samuel, who later became the prophet Samuel and anointed David. But David lived around 1000BC and Abraham around 2000BC. That's approximately 1,000 years between the two. And Melchizedek doesn't mean Holy Spirit. It's already been established here what the name means.
 
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Remember, the Holy Spirit is timeless.
OK, whatt does the name mean to you?
 
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Remember, the Holy Spirit is timeless.
OK, what does the name mean to you?
Yes, I know Holy Spirit is timeless, but Holy Spirit is also spirit, not corporal. As for Melchizedek. It's not what the name means to me, that's important. It's what Melchizedek means. It isn't a name but a title. Melchizedek means 'king of righteousness'.
 

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Dancing Dancing!!! I thought that as well, but I did not want to write it in the forum. Sometimes, I can over think!!! It seems if a person is a thinker or has a different perspective folks are offended it seems. I have not figure why yet because learning knowledge or truth from diverse people sharpen ones learning, research and studying abilities. Iron sharpens Iron! Thank you!
Brother, I don't believe understanding about this comes with just thinking, but by The Holy Spirit revealing it to us so we can grasp it. And you are right, understanding in God's Word does bring joy!
 
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wrong...but it was not a post to you ..it was a post to someone who denies Paul
Whoops. I forgot. I'm supposed to be in utter awe over you. And with remarkable exegesis like this, and such a deep analysis of scripture as this, how could I ever not think it was Paul nor imagine whoever you said that to denies Paul, because gee whiz, denying Paul is so common place in Christendom.