Who Is Melchizedek ?
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What difference it should make
:rofl: For someone who has the gift of speaking in tounge . ...
Hebrews: 2. 1. Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3. How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4. God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
5. For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
1 Corinthians 14:1
Pursue love and be eager for the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.
2*For the one speaking in a tongue does not speak to people but to God, for no one understands; he is speaking mysteries by the Spirit.1
3*But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening,2 encouragement, and consolation.
4*The one who speaks in a tongue builds himself up,3 but the one who prophesies builds up the church.
5*I wish you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets so that the church may be strengthened.
6*Now, brothers and sisters,4 if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I help you unless I speak to you with a revelation or with knowledge or prophecy or teaching?
7*It is similar for lifeless things that make a sound, like a flute or harp. Unless they make a distinction in the notes, how can what is played on the flute or harp be understood?
8*If, for example, the trumpet makes an unclear sound, who will get ready for battle?
9*It is the same for you. If you do not speak clearly with your tongue, how will anyone know what is being said? For you will be speaking into the air.
2 Corinthians: 9. 15. Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.
Philippians: 4. 17. Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.
:rofl: For someone who has the gift of speaking in tounge . ...
Hebrews: 2. 1. Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3. How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4. God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
5. For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
1 Corinthians 14:1
Pursue love and be eager for the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.
2*For the one speaking in a tongue does not speak to people but to God, for no one understands; he is speaking mysteries by the Spirit.1
3*But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening,2 encouragement, and consolation.
4*The one who speaks in a tongue builds himself up,3 but the one who prophesies builds up the church.
5*I wish you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets so that the church may be strengthened.
6*Now, brothers and sisters,4 if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I help you unless I speak to you with a revelation or with knowledge or prophecy or teaching?
7*It is similar for lifeless things that make a sound, like a flute or harp. Unless they make a distinction in the notes, how can what is played on the flute or harp be understood?
8*If, for example, the trumpet makes an unclear sound, who will get ready for battle?
9*It is the same for you. If you do not speak clearly with your tongue, how will anyone know what is being said? For you will be speaking into the air.
2 Corinthians: 9. 15. Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.
Philippians: 4. 17. Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.
I don't think David "inherited" it, I think he assumed it after conquering the Jebusites in Jerusalem. He probably assumed all the titles previously held by the Jebusite ruler.
Psalm 110 reflects this very thing. It's a coronation psalm about the king ruling from Jerusalem and assuming the roles of priest and king after defeating his enemies. This is the very thing David did on conquering Jerusalem (2 Sam 5-6). David conquers Jerusalem, defeats the Philistines at Baal Perazim and Rephaim, then moves the ark into Jerusalem. When David moves the ark into Jerusalem, he was also offering sacrifices and wearing priestly clothing:
6:13 Those who carried the ark of the Lord took six steps and then David sacrificed an ox and a fatling calf. 6:14 Now David, wearing a linen ephod, was dancing with all his strength before the Lord.
Why could David do this if he wasn't a Levite? I think he assumed the roles, titles and privileges of the rulers of the people he conquered. The Jebusite ruler in Jerusalem functioned as a priest and king, just like Melchizedek, due to the office he held. As their conqueror, David is their new priest-king. David's descendants inherited all of his titles, roles and privileges, but the functioning of a priest wasn't due to their lineage as a Levite, it was due to the fact that they ruled from Jerusalem.
I think the argument in Hebrews is similar. Jesus isn't a high priest because he's a Levite, He's a high priest in the order of Melchizedek due to the fact that he is the messiah.
Psalm 110 reflects this very thing. It's a coronation psalm about the king ruling from Jerusalem and assuming the roles of priest and king after defeating his enemies. This is the very thing David did on conquering Jerusalem (2 Sam 5-6). David conquers Jerusalem, defeats the Philistines at Baal Perazim and Rephaim, then moves the ark into Jerusalem. When David moves the ark into Jerusalem, he was also offering sacrifices and wearing priestly clothing:
6:13 Those who carried the ark of the Lord took six steps and then David sacrificed an ox and a fatling calf. 6:14 Now David, wearing a linen ephod, was dancing with all his strength before the Lord.
Why could David do this if he wasn't a Levite? I think he assumed the roles, titles and privileges of the rulers of the people he conquered. The Jebusite ruler in Jerusalem functioned as a priest and king, just like Melchizedek, due to the office he held. As their conqueror, David is their new priest-king. David's descendants inherited all of his titles, roles and privileges, but the functioning of a priest wasn't due to their lineage as a Levite, it was due to the fact that they ruled from Jerusalem.
I think the argument in Hebrews is similar. Jesus isn't a high priest because he's a Levite, He's a high priest in the order of Melchizedek due to the fact that he is the messiah.
Hello WarriorHadassah,
Years ago, I created an Excel spreadsheet and beginning with Adam, I listed each person who he begat and what age they were when they begat and kept an on-going list of everyone's age every time the next person was born. So, I was able to look at Shem's line and see that he was one of the original patriarch's from the flood and outlived the lineage of all of his son's. Also, he lived 35 years after Abraham died. He is that priest of the order of Melchizedek that Abraham met and gave a ten of his spoils to.
Years ago, I created an Excel spreadsheet and beginning with Adam, I listed each person who he begat and what age they were when they begat and kept an on-going list of everyone's age every time the next person was born. So, I was able to look at Shem's line and see that he was one of the original patriarch's from the flood and outlived the lineage of all of his son's. Also, he lived 35 years after Abraham died. He is that priest of the order of Melchizedek that Abraham met and gave a ten of his spoils to.
I Gen 18:22
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And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
I didn't read all the posts...I have to go somewhere soon.
Three met Abraham...two left for sodom...Abraham and lot both worshiped. Which of the three was not God? I figure one of them was Melchisedek. At least two of them ate. Anyhow...
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And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
I didn't read all the posts...I have to go somewhere soon.
Three met Abraham...two left for sodom...Abraham and lot both worshiped. Which of the three was not God? I figure one of them was Melchisedek. At least two of them ate. Anyhow...
What happened; my reply disappeared . Oh well, here I go again.
For instance Shem was filled with the Holy Spirit before the Holy Spirit was known as such because it was not time yet to be fulfilled. We were and even now would be nothing without the Helper (Holy Spirit). When Jesus came...God in the flesh .The Holy Sprit ascended to heaven until Peters Preaching on that day. I am sure you know the time I am talking about. He is our helping now as he was in Abrahams day and now known as the "Holy Spirit" the helper. An example of this: Jesus, at time had a time table when he was here in order to effect certain specific ends in a timely (sic) manner.
As far as any Biblical passages saying this; I am going by the Spirit of the Bible so as not to get hung up on in certain Human "Mystery" questions that tends to befuddle us.
For instance Shem was filled with the Holy Spirit before the Holy Spirit was known as such because it was not time yet to be fulfilled. We were and even now would be nothing without the Helper (Holy Spirit). When Jesus came...God in the flesh .The Holy Sprit ascended to heaven until Peters Preaching on that day. I am sure you know the time I am talking about. He is our helping now as he was in Abrahams day and now known as the "Holy Spirit" the helper. An example of this: Jesus, at time had a time table when he was here in order to effect certain specific ends in a timely (sic) manner.
As far as any Biblical passages saying this; I am going by the Spirit of the Bible so as not to get hung up on in certain Human "Mystery" questions that tends to befuddle us.
Hey, oldhermit, your post #18 has what could be considered an error. In III, B, 1 you stated: But, as the text says, he was a man and as such, he had a past. I am not disputing you, just pointing out that Adam had no past, so it is possible for humans to have no past. In this case I will have to agree with you, that this was in relation to his priesthood, because if he wasn't born and didn't die, where did he go afterward, considering that no one has gone to heaven but Christ. John 3:13 On the other hand I recall others being taken by God without dying, so where did they go?
There is no error. Adam was created from the dust of the earth. Melchizedek, like all other men was taken out of man just as the Hebrew writer tells is in 5:1. "For every high priest is taken from among men and appointed on behalf of men in things pertaining to God, in order to offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins."
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Genesis 14:18 KJV
(18) And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Hebrews 7:17 KJV
(17) For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Melchizedek was both a king and priest. Jesus is a priest after the order of Melchizedek meaning Jesus is both priest and king. If Jesus were a priest after the Levitical priesthood He would only be priest.
(18) And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Hebrews 7:17 KJV
(17) For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Melchizedek was both a king and priest. Jesus is a priest after the order of Melchizedek meaning Jesus is both priest and king. If Jesus were a priest after the Levitical priesthood He would only be priest.
What is interesting is the first mention of Melchizedek is when Abram was returning from the slaughter of Cherdolaomer, the Persian king, and the kings that were with him. In the previous verse, there was another king that went out to meet Abram and that was the king of Sodom.
Melchi-zedek was the king of Salem. Adoni-zedek was the king of Jeru-Salem.
Jos 10:1 Now it came to pass, when Adonizedek king of Jerusalem had heard how Joshua had taken Ai, and had utterly destroyed it; as he had done to Jericho and her king, so he had done to Ai and her king; and how the inhabitants of Gibeon had made peace with Israel, and were among them;
Compare that with the verses in Genesis:
Gen 14:17 And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.
Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Both kings meet with people who had destroyed other kings. What happened to Sodom, whose king tried to make peace with Abram, is the same thing that happened to Gibeon who tried to make peace with Israel.
Gen 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
Jos 10:11 And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.
Melchi-zedek was the king of Salem. Adoni-zedek was the king of Jeru-Salem.
Jos 10:1 Now it came to pass, when Adonizedek king of Jerusalem had heard how Joshua had taken Ai, and had utterly destroyed it; as he had done to Jericho and her king, so he had done to Ai and her king; and how the inhabitants of Gibeon had made peace with Israel, and were among them;
Compare that with the verses in Genesis:
Gen 14:17 And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.
Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
Both kings meet with people who had destroyed other kings. What happened to Sodom, whose king tried to make peace with Abram, is the same thing that happened to Gibeon who tried to make peace with Israel.
Gen 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
Jos 10:11 And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.
Melchizedek is the same person as Adonizedek. Joshua is the same person as Jesus.
H3091
יהושׁע יהושׁוּע
yehôshûa‛ yehôshûa‛
yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.
G2424
Ἰησοῦς
Iēsous
ee-ay-sooce'
Of Hebrew origin [H3091]; Jesus (that is, Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites: - Jesus.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
H3091
יהושׁע יהושׁוּע
yehôshûa‛ yehôshûa‛
yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
From H3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.
G2424
Ἰησοῦς
Iēsous
ee-ay-sooce'
Of Hebrew origin [H3091]; Jesus (that is, Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites: - Jesus.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
That would make it kind of hard for Moses or Joshua to be Melchizedek, seeing that Abraham met Melchizedek and gave him a tenth of the spoils. In another post I already revealed who Melchizedek was that being Shem the son of Noah, who was an original patriarch and outlived all the lineage of all his son's, even outliving Abraham by 35 years.