Jesus was a racist bigot who hated women...and a whole race of people.

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Sirk

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Actually...I think Jesus saw an opportunity to show his disciples what racist mysoginist bigots THEY were...and when it was all said and done...Jesus went to that woman and said to her....I am so proud of you for your faith....you are not a dog and I love you...and thank you for helping to teach my disciples where their bias and bigoted mindsets lead too.



https://bible.org/seriespage/23-faith-canaanite-woman-matthew-1521-28
 

Magenta

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I was worried for a second there until I saw it was you :)
 
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When speaking of Jesus it is accurate to refer to Him in present terms. Jesus is, not Jesus was.

Always great hearing from you, Sirk! :cool:
 
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Sirk

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I think it is a super hard passage that people have a hard time with...but when you take the whole of the bible as to how it describes the character of God and of Jesus...the only explanation is that Jesus was displaying the bias of his disciples for them to see... in action for themselves. He held the mirror up to them and I imagine it was super uncomfortable for them to see themselves as they really were. They grew up in a culture of racism and bigotry....and so have a lot of us.
 
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Goodness11

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Wonderful article!! And also proof of womanly stubbornness! ;)
 

sc81

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racist mysoginist bigots

they are words coined my modern cultural marxists and not found in any Bible.

what's next are you going to use modern terms like homophobia and transphobia.
 

valiant

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The story of the Syro-Phoenician woman was a turning point in Jesus ministry. Up to that time He had spent little time with Gentiles, concentrating on His ministry to 'the lost house of Israel'. From that point out His ministry was regularly in Gentile territory. 'He went out from the borders of Tyre, and came via Sidon (thus having moved northward) to the Sea of Galilee through the midst of the borders of Decapolis.' The feeding of the 4000 was probably on Gentile territory. (Mark 7.31-8.10). Whilst He would be reaching Jews who were settled in those territories it can hardly be doubted that many Gentiles also flocked to hear Him. Thus His dealings with the Syro-Phoenician woman had prepared His disciples for this ministry. They were slowly learning that Jesus Christ had not come for Jews alone, even though it would take some time for them willingly to accept Gentiles in large numbers.
 
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Sirk

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they are words coined my modern cultural marxists and not found in any Bible.

what's next are you going to use modern terms like homophobia and transphobia.
I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
 
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Mitspa

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The Lord did not have a political agenda... If one could be assigned to Him it would be to set folks free from leftist attitudes, not enforce them.
 
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Sirk

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The Lord did not have a political agenda... If one could be assigned to Him it would be to set folks free from leftist attitudes, not enforce them.
Interesting that you think that Jesus inclusive attitude concerning people is a leftist one....maybe it is. I for one am glad that He is inclusive.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Amazing, Not only was it a woman, But a Gentile. And he answered her prayer because she claimed the truth.. And had faith.

God did the same thing for Moses when he interceded for the people of Israel after God claimed he was going to kill them all and start over..
 
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Sirk

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Amazing, Not only was it a woman, But a Gentile. And he answered her prayer because she claimed the truth.. And had faith.

God did the same thing for Moses when he interceded for the people of Israel after God claimed he was going to kill them all and start over..
Her answer to Jesus is so good. "Even dogs get crumbs". I'll bet Jesus was trying not to smile as this Canaanite woman gave the disciples a lesson in humility and faith.
 

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In the first-century Judaism women were not regarded as credible witnesses.
In the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] century AD the Jewish historian Josephus writes: “Let not the testimony of woman be accepted, on account of the levity and temerity of their sex” (Antiquities 4.8.15)

Woman occupied a low rung on the Jewish social ladder. Here is one rabbinical text that gives us an idea “Sooner let the words of the Law be burnt than delivered to woman!” (Sotah 19a)

Compared to men, women were second-class citizens. Here is another rabbinical text “Happy is he whose children are male, but unhappy is he whose children are female!” (Kiddushin 82b)

The daily prayer of every Jewish man included the blessing, “Blessed are you, Lord our God, ruler of the universe, who has not created me a Gentile, a slave, or a woman” (Beracos 60b)

So the first-century Judaism was a patriarchal society with women having low social status and inability to serve as legal witnesses, similar to some Islamic countries nowadays.

The point that has been repeated over and over in scholarship is that “women were simply not acceptable as legal witnesses in 1[SUP]st[/SUP] century Palestine”. We may regret it, but this is how the Jewish world (and most others) worked.

Now...one of the most mysterious and strangest things in common between the four canonical narratives is that they begin with women. The amazing thing is that women are discoverers of and principal witnesses to the empty tomb.

Even if we suppose that Mark made up most of his material, and did so some time in the late 60s at the earliest, it will not do to have him, or anyone else at that stage, making up a legend about an empty tomb and having women be the ones who find it. This point has been repeated over and over in scholarship, but its full impact has not always been felt: “women were simply not acceptable as legal witnesses”.

If the author of the gospel of Mark (the earliest gospel) could have invented stories of fine, upstanding, reliable male witnesses being first at the tomb, he would have done it. That he did not - tells us that everyone in the early church knew that the women, led by Mary Magdalene, were in fact the first on the scene. Would the other evangelists have been so slavishly foolish as to copy the story unless they were convinced that, despite being embarrassing, it was historically trustworthy?

It is easy to imagine that, when a tradition was established for use in preaching to outsiders, stories of women running to the tomb in the half-light would quietly be dropped, and a list produced of solid witnesses who could be called upon to vouch for what they had seen. It is not easy at all to imagine a solid and well-established tradition, feeling itself in need of coming up with a scatter of women on a dark spring morning.

If the story of the empty tomb was fiction someone has taken the trouble to think into the situation of the two or three women and describe the whole incident, including their worries about rolling away the stone, from their point of view (had they been three men they would presumably have been strong enough to roll it away; according to Mark 15:46 Joseph of Aramathea rolled it there by himself, and even if somebody helped him it does not sound as though it was too heavy for two or three men at most). Thus the women’s reason for going (to anoint the body), their anxieties about the stone, their alarm at seeing the young man in the tomb, and their terror, panic and silent flight – all are narrated from their point of view. We see the whole scene through their eyes. This is sufficiently unusual in the gospel tradition to be considered remarkable

If the empty tomb story were a legend, then the male disciples would have been made to be the ones who discover the empty tomb. The fact that women, whose testimony was deemed worthless, were the chief witnesses to the fact of the empty tomb can only be plausibly explained if, there was an empty tomb to start with and women actually were the discoverers of the empty tomb and the Gospels just faithfully record what for them was a very embarrassing fact
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Her answer to Jesus is so good. "Even dogs get crumbs". I'll bet Jesus was trying not to smile as this Canaanite woman gave the disciples a lesson in humility and faith.

Amen, And by his word. A lesson to us all..


Sadly even the church is not exempt from getting that "we are better than you" Attitude..
 
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Sirk

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Amen, And by his word. A lesson to us all..


Sadly even the church is not exempt from getting that "we are better than you" Attitude..
We certainly do. It's kind of why I used a controversial title on this thread. I wanted shine the light on the truth that all of us could treat people better and I thought it was a good way to get peoples attention.
 
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Sirk

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At first Jesus ignored her, then he acted indifferent and last but not least, He called her the lowest of the low. I'll bet the disciples were conflicted in they they agrees with Jesus in their hearts but were embarrassed to see their own attitudes on display in their teacher.
 
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Gr8grace

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Actually...I think Jesus saw an opportunity to show his disciples what racist mysoginist bigots THEY were...and when it was all said and done...Jesus went to that woman and said to her....I am so proud of you for your faith....you are not a dog and I love you...and thank you for helping to teach my disciples where their bias and bigoted mindsets lead too.



https://bible.org/seriespage/23-faith-canaanite-woman-matthew-1521-28
C'mon Sirk. We all know he doesn't hate women. It is "love less":p
 
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LanceA

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This passage was about faith not about men being bigots.
 
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Sirk

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This passage was about faith not about men being bigots.

Yes. Because the bible, God and Jesus are one dimensional and the scriptures are devoid of deeper truths.