Most Christians

[resurrection33]

I still think that if this is a real question that we need more information. My first thought went to the Nicene Creed or the Westminster Confessions of Faith. If that's the root of the question, then perhaps the answer is yes?

Still… too many missing variables.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, this is intentionally vague because I don't want to get into a debate about a particular issue. I just want to point out that something isn't necessarily true just because it is what most Christians believe, and I'll again quote this verse from Paul as evidence to that:

For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part;then I shall understand fully, even as I have been fully understood. 1Cor 13:12 RSV

 

[resurrection33]

Essential Christian Tenets

The Deity of Christ:
Jesus Christ being God in the flesh
Jesus being the proper object of faith
Deity of Christ
Jesus is both God and man

Salvation by Grace

The Resurrection of Christ

The Gospel

Monotheism

Yes, not everything is false.

 

[resurrection33]

New Here but Jesus is God and God is Jesus. Jesus said if you have seen me then you have seen the Father.

I think of it as God in flesh or:

"Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and his name shall be called Emmanuel"
(which means, God with us). Matt 1:23 RSV

 

[resurrection33]

The truth ultimately doesn't depend on if or how many people believe. The Gospel is true regardless.

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6)

But some people will let other people do their thinking for them, and if most people believe something, then they will go along with it. Or, if their pastor believes something, then they will believe it, too, without thinking it through.

 

[resurrection33]

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Ain't no way.... Shshshssss.. Gotta go))

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[Utah]

If most Christians believe something, does that make it true?

The onslaught of political correctness has led many American Christians to believe there are many ways to the Father, but that doesn't make it true.

 

[Depleted]

It took Athanasius? Hopefully we accept it now, not because of Athanasius but because of John's inspired writing.

John 1:1,14 KJV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Yeah, well it's easy to figure out who Jesus was and why he came 2000 years later. Imagine how hard it was to catch on when you were raised to believe the Messiah would save you from other nations?

I suspect if Jesus descended like he ascended, and then gave the world a few decades to figure out what happened, we'd be just as confused as the early church was back then. The only difference is we'd have the news telling us what it means. lol

 

[Willie-T]

Yeah, well it's easy to figure out who Jesus was and why he came 2000 years later. Imagine how hard it was to catch on when you were raised to believe the Messiah would save you from other nations?

I suspect if Jesus descended like he ascended, and then gave the world a few decades to figure out what happened, we'd be just as confused as the early church was back then. The only difference is we'd have the news telling us what it means. lol

So true. Jesus came, and all the people in "Sound Doctrine" wanted nothing to do with him. "We've been believing the established teaching of our religion for centuries... don't try to change what we were taught by our preachers with all this "love" stuff you're talking."

And today people right here say, "We've been believing the established teachings of our religion for centuries... don't try to change what we were taught by our preachers with all this "love" stuff you're talking."

 

[crossnote]

Yeah, well it's easy to figure out who Jesus was and why he came 2000 years later. Imagine how hard it was to catch on when you were raised to believe the Messiah would save you from other nations?

I suspect if Jesus descended like he ascended, and then gave the world a few decades to figure out what happened, we'd be just as confused as the early church was back then. The only difference is we'd have the news telling us what it means. lol

If we had the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit then we'd be good to go any time before Athanasius.

I suspect He will descend to the Mount of Olives just like He ascended...oh wait...

Zechariah 14:3-4 KJVS
[3] Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. [4] And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

[crossnote]

So true. Jesus came, and all the people in "Sound Doctrine" wanted nothing to do with him. "We've been believing the established teaching of our religion for centuries... don't try to change what we were taught by our preachers with all this "love" stuff you're talking."

And today people right here say, "We've been believing the established teachings of our religion for centuries... don't try to change what we were taught by our preachers with all this "love" stuff you're talking."

Sound doctrine? You mean the ones who left off Scriptures for their traditions?
Doesn't sound sound to me.

 

[Depleted]

If we had the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit then we'd be good to go any time before Athanasius.

I suspect He will descend to the Mount of Olives just like He ascended...oh wait...

Zechariah 14:3-4 KJVS
[3] Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. [4] And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

That same scripture was part of the confusion. That's what the Israelites literally expected of their Messiah. Also why we're not much less confused now. Did that mean when Jesus came to earth the first time? The last time? Always? Is it figurative or literal? We're still not getting all of scripture -- and we had 2000 years to talk it over.

 

[Tintin]

Yes, not everything is false.

Um. What do you mean by that?

 

[Depleted]

Sound doctrine? You mean the ones who left off Scriptures for their traditions?
Doesn't sound sound to me.

And again! It's always always the other guy without the sound doctrine. It reminds me of the statistics for using cellphones while driving --
80% of drivers are unsafe talking on cell phones while driving.
80% of drivers think they're the 20% who are good at driving while on a cellphone.

Some of those drivers may well fall into being safe, the rest are blaming everyone else. Still, easier to blame everyone else than to examine ourselves.

 

[resurrection33]

Um. What do you mean by that?

I meant that to the degree I understood what you were saying, I agreed with the things you said.

 

[Chuckt]

If most Christians believe something, does that make it true?

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[Chuckt]

The onslaught of political correctness has led many American Christians to believe there are many ways to the Father, but that doesn't make it true.

I went to a Christian bookstore in New Jersey. There are whole shelves on charismatic gifts and there were a handful of books on evangelism, a handful of books on apologetics and counter-cult books on one shelf.

On top of that, Protestants and Catholics have joined forces with the "Evangelicals and Catholics Together" doctrine and stopped fighting each other even though we can't be both right on matters of salvation. Try to find some books from a Christian perspective against Catholicism today and you can't find many because the Church has stopped standing up to error.

I also found Mormon books in one Christian bookstore. I asked the manager why they were selling Mormon books and they said they signed an agreement to sell books from a distributor so they had to.

 

[crossnote]

That same scripture was part of the confusion. That's what the Israelites literally expected of their Messiah. Also why we're not much less confused now. Did that mean when Jesus came to earth the first time? The last time? Always? Is it figurative or literal? We're still not getting all of scripture -- and we had 2000 years to talk it over.

One thing we know, it isn't the fault of Scripture but perhaps the fault of those 'interpreters' who lack the Author of Scripture.
Or are you saying no one can know even though 'it is written'?

 

[crossnote]

And again! It's always always the other guy without the sound doctrine. It reminds me of the statistics for using cellphones while driving --
80% of drivers are unsafe talking on cell phones while driving.
80% of drivers think they're the 20% who are good at driving while on a cellphone.

Some of those drivers may well fall into being safe, the rest are blaming everyone else. Still, easier to blame everyone else than to examine ourselves.

Your responding to my post but you dropped the context of my post.
The Jewish leaders coming against Jesus were more enamored with their Traditions than Scripture (from which sound doctrine is derived). Or have you given up the quest of sound doctrine just because opinions exist?

 

[Utah]

I went to a Christian bookstore in New Jersey. There are whole shelves on charismatic gifts and there were a handful of books on evangelism, a handful of books on apologetics and counter-cult books on one shelf.

On top of that, Protestants and Catholics have joined forces with the "Evangelicals and Catholics Together" doctrine and stopped fighting each other even though we can't be both right on matters of salvation. Try to find some books from a Christian perspective against Catholicism today and you can't find many because the Church has stopped standing up to error.

I also found Mormon books in one Christian bookstore. I asked the manager why they were selling Mormon books and they said they signed an agreement to sell books from a distributor so they had to.

I live in Jersey. Which bookstore? Maybe I need to make a visit and share the Word.

 

[crossnote]

I went to a Christian bookstore in New Jersey. There are whole shelves on charismatic gifts and there were a handful of books on evangelism, a handful of books on apologetics and counter-cult books on one shelf.

On top of that, Protestants and Catholics have joined forces with the "Evangelicals and Catholics Together" doctrine and stopped fighting each other even though we can't be both right on matters of salvation. Try to find some books from a Christian perspective against Catholicism today and you can't find many because the Church has stopped standing up to error.

I also found Mormon books in one Christian bookstore. I asked the manager why they were selling Mormon books and they said they signed an agreement to sell books from a distributor so they had to.

You can also find 'christian' mysticism like Jesus Calling in almost all Christian bookstores.