Daniels 70 weeks

[miknik5]

Obviously, you show your confusion right there, and especially that you didn't bother to read all my previous post. I very MUCH believe Jesus went to Haides after He died on the cross, and preached to sinners in the prison house from back in the OT, and He led them out of the prison house in the heavenly (Isa.42:7).

IF YOU HAD BOTHERED TO READ... ALL OF MY POST, YOU WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD MY POSITION ON THAT. BUT INSTEAD YOU JUMPED ON ME WITH A FALSE ACCUSATION.

YOU SIR, ARE SIMPLY 'MAD'!

Please don't truncate my post...
And, in the future, include your original post, which I will gladly repost since you yourself used the word "evil" of those held captive...

I didn't...I simply responded to your post which for whatever reason you seemed to have forgotten?
Therefore, below is my original post in response to your original response:

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I'm not the one who needs to study it more carefully.

John 5:25
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
KJV

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

The phrase "now is" was specific to the resurrection that happened on the day of Jesus' crucifixion. It's basis is prophecy from the OT when Jesus would declare Victory, and lead those who believe The Gospel out of the prison house in the heavenly ("spirits in prison"). Some try to say Jesus preached The Gospel to evil spirits in the abyss when He died on the cross, treating the word 'spirit' as always applying to a demon. Simply not true. Jesus preached The Gospel in hell to those who had died in sin back in the OT.

But the event of John 5:28-29, we well know... it has not happened yet, because it must accompany the event of Jesus' 2nd coming and gathering of His Church from both... Heaven, and the earth.

So the John 5:25 and John 5:28-29 Scriptures are about 2 different timings and events.

Yes HE did...because that is what the word said. (1Peter 3 - maybe you need to review it again?)

And who called them "evil"?

You?

They were disobedient sinners just like all of us were disobedient sinners separated from the PROMISES of GOD which are found in CHRIST JESUS. They (that generation who had died before HIS FIRST COMING) did not benefit until HE came and set free what belonged to GOD...

And for GOD to send HIS SON into the world and then overlook those who had died before HIS FIRST COMING, that they could not have the GOSPEL preached to them and were lost forever, would have shown GOD to be unjust.

That "one time event"...HE descended to preach to those who were held captive in captivity WAS a ONE TIME EVENT.

HE opened the door of Hades and took back what belonged to GOD, that generation who had not benefitted by HIS FIRST PHYSICAL COMING.

For, if you do not believe that these were held captive in captivity and were "set free" when HE led captivity captive in HIS TRAIN...who do you think CHRIST was referring to when HE said, the Men of Ninevah will stand in the judgment and condemn this generation?

That generation were those who had not, while they were alive, heard the GOSPEL preached...
It is THIS GENERATION, those who were alive who have heard the GOSPEL preached who will be judged more harshly..

When CHRIST said, a wicked generation asks for a sign...HE was referring to this generation. That is, the generation which benefitted by HIS FIRST COMING...who still continue in disbelief.


As to John 5, I have NO IDEA why you can not understand that I clearly know that there are those who have heard THE VOICE of the SON of GOD now...and have already passed from death to life

And then there are those who have NOT heard the VOICE of the SON of GOD (I clearly know the difference between "now" and "afterwards") and the even in John 5:28-29 has NOT happened yet...I agree.

What is the confusion?


The event in John 5:28-29 lines up perfectly with the Judgment mentioned in Revelation AFTER the 1000 year reign...
Do we really have to go through this again?


Revelation 20:

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.



5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.


This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

This is the first resurrection applies to those who live BEFORE and reign with HIM DURING the 1000 year reign...


I told you there is a difference between those who have a part in the FIRST RESURRECTION from those who are raised (as mentioned in John 5:28-29) afterwards who are judged according to their works...

Revelation 20:11 goes on to detail what happens after the 1000 year reign, after the battle and after satan is cast in the Lake of Fire...

FOr you will remember? That BEFORE the 1000 year reign, the dead remained dead in their graves and ONLY the beast (the false christ) and the false prophet are cast into the Lake of Fire...

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



Don't you understand that the dead in their graves were raised in the final judgment and those whose names were not found suffered the SECOND DEATH?

I hate to have to crowd the forum and repost all this, but for you to truncate my post and not include the full message of what I was saying, is really YOU just causing confusion and really NOT listening at all.

You are angry?
And yet, I can't for the life of me, figure out why you would be angry that GOD went back and redeemed all those who were held captive in captivity and in doing this took back the keys of hades and death so that if anything is to enter that place again, it will be because of HIS JUDGMENT...and none other...

Satan has NO power over any....he would like to believe he does.
The issue is not satan...the issue is men who do not have a LOVE of THE TRUTH and HATE THE SON OF GOD without a cause...

 

[miknik5]

Now is JUDGMENT in the world...NOW is the prince of this world cast out.

And the ONLY JUDGMENT is that they did not believe in the ONE whom THE FATHER sent...
If CHRIST had not come and done amongst us what NO OTHER COULD DO, we would have no sin...but now, because HE has done all that HE has done, we need a "cloke/covering" for our sins

I came for judgment, that those seeing will be made blind and those blind will be made to see...and in them is the prophecy of Isaiah fulfilled:
be ever seeing and never seeing, ever hearing but never hearing, lest they should understand with the heart...turn and HE should heal them.

But some who are "Righteous" in and of themselves, have no need for a SAVIOR/that GARMENT of RIGHTEOUSNESS...

 

[1meBERMUDA]

It doesn't mention a decree (we pick the one that suits our interpretation). It says 'from the going forth of the word to rebuild Jerusalem.

That going forth of the word is spoken of in v23, 'at the beginning of your supplications the word went forth,' so its time is given. But it doesn't suit the theories.



the covenant for one seven is made either by the Messiah or God, Covenant is only used in Daniel of the covenant of God,



why should you pick that one? who says it is the one in 445 bc. YOU



totally unjustified. who calls Robert Anderson a SCHOLAR? Its all invention, Years are not mentioned in Daniel 9.



LOL it was built in a short time.




so ended the prophecy.



'Israel' contains people from many nations, and the majority of the Jews are not in Israel



Titus?



the most natural interpretation is that it is Christ. His death is the reason His people are mentioned. Why else should he use a unique description?,,



pure fantasy. nowhere suggested in the passage



there is no hint in the passage of a break. and if one was to come it should come after 70 ad. and the destruction should be
within the sevens, it is all cock and bull.

Interesting wow