Daniels 70 weeks

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But if you are saying Daniel 12 is not completed, or that there is some future tribulation, you are in error DP. This is all done and dusted by AD 73.

Matthew 24:21
For at that time there will be great suffering, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.

The time Daniel is referring to is clearly the 70th Week, which is clearly finished.
I gather you're another one of those who refuse to recognize the timeline gaps that are written within God's Word, like Isaiah 61:1-2. The Daniel 12:1-2 Scripture is not... fulfilled yet; there is a time gap between fulfillment of the 69th and 70th week of Dan.9; and there will be a time of "great tribulation" at the very end of this world like Jesus said in Matthew 24. The doctrine of man you are holding onto goes against clearly written Bible Scripture.
 

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Dp?

Go back and read John 5, all of it...because CHRIST clearly makes a distinction between those who have heard the VOICE of THE SON of GOD now...and those who have, have already passed from death to life...

And then there will come a time when all in the grave will hear the VOICE of THE SON of GOD...and be judged according to their works...
I'm not the one who needs to study it more carefully.

John 5:25
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming,
and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
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1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

The phrase "now is" was specific to the resurrection that happened on the day of Jesus' crucifixion. It's basis is prophecy from the OT when Jesus would declare Victory, and lead those who believe The Gospel out of the prison house in the heavenly ("spirits in prison"). Some try to say Jesus preached The Gospel to evil spirits in the abyss when He died on the cross, treating the word 'spirit' as always applying to a demon. Simply not true. Jesus preached The Gospel in hell to those who had died in sin back in the OT.

But the event of John 5:28-29, we well know... it has not happened yet, because it must accompany the event of Jesus' 2nd coming and gathering of His Church from both... Heaven, and the earth.

So the John 5:25 and John 5:28-29 Scriptures are about 2 different timings and events.
 

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I'm not the one who needs to study it more carefully.

John 5:25
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming,
and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
KJV


1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

The phrase "now is" was specific to the resurrection that happened on the day of Jesus' crucifixion. It's basis is prophecy from the OT when Jesus would declare Victory, and lead those who believe The Gospel out of the prison house in the heavenly ("spirits in prison"). Some try to say Jesus preached The Gospel to evil spirits in the abyss when He died on the cross, treating the word 'spirit' as always applying to a demon. Simply not true. Jesus preached The Gospel in hell to those who had died in sin back in the OT.

But the event of John 5:28-29, we well know... it has not happened yet, because it must accompany the event of Jesus' 2nd coming and gathering of His Church from both... Heaven, and the earth.

So the John 5:25 and John 5:28-29 Scriptures are about 2 different timings and events.
Yes HE did...because that is what the word said. (1Peter 3 - maybe you need to review it again?)

And who called them "evil"?

You?

They were disobedient sinners just like all of us were disobedient sinners separated from the PROMISES of GOD which are found in CHRIST JESUS. They (that generation who had died before HIS FIRST COMING) did not benefit until HE came and set free what belonged to GOD...

And for GOD to send HIS SON into the world and then overlook those who had died before HIS FIRST COMING, that they could not have the GOSPEL preached to them and were lost forever, would have shown GOD to be unjust.

That "one time event"...HE descended to preach to those who were held captive in captivity WAS a ONE TIME EVENT.

HE opened the door of Hades and took back what belonged to GOD, that generation who had not benefitted by HIS FIRST PHYSICAL COMING.

For, if you do not believe that these were held captive in captivity and were "set free" when HE led captivity captive in HIS TRAIN...who do you think CHRIST was referring to when HE said, the Men of Ninevah will stand in the judgment and condemn this generation?

That generation were those who had not, while they were alive, heard the GOSPEL preached...
It is THIS GENERATION, those who were alive who have heard the GOSPEL preached who will be judged more harshly..

When CHRIST said, a wicked generation asks for a sign...HE was referring to this generation. That is, the generation which benefitted by HIS FIRST COMING...who still continue in disbelief.


As to John 5, I have NO IDEA why you can not understand that I clearly know that there are those who have heard THE VOICE of the SON of GOD now...and have already passed from death to life

And then there are those who have NOT heard the VOICE of the SON of GOD (I clearly know the difference between "now" and "afterwards") and the even in John 5:28-29 has NOT happened yet...I agree.

What is the confusion?


The event in John 5:28-29 lines up perfectly with the Judgment mentioned in Revelation AFTER the 1000 year reign...
Do we really have to go through this again?


Revelation 20:

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.



5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.



This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

This is the first resurrection applies to those who live BEFORE and reign with HIM DURING the 1000 year reign...


I told you there is a difference between those who have a part in the FIRST RESURRECTION from those who are raised (as mentioned in John 5:28-29) afterwards who are judged according to their works...

Revelation 20:11 goes on to detail what happens after the 1000 year reign, after the battle and after satan is cast in the Lake of Fire...

FOr you will remember? That BEFORE the 1000 year reign, the dead remained dead in their graves and ONLY the beast (the false christ) and the false prophet are cast into the Lake of Fire...

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



Don't you understand that the dead in their graves were raised in the final judgment and those whose names were not found suffered the SECOND DEATH?
 
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I gather you're another one of those who refuse to recognize the timeline gaps that are written within God's Word, like Isaiah 61:1-2. The Daniel 12:1-2 Scripture is not... fulfilled yet; there is a time gap between fulfillment of the 69th and 70th week of Dan.9; and there will be a time of "great tribulation" at the very end of this world like Jesus said in Matthew 24. The doctrine of man you are holding onto goes against clearly written Bible Scripture.
You gather wrong. I simply rightly divide the Word, and go from Step A to Step B without illogical lacunae.

Daniel 11 describes the conflicts between the Seleucid Empire and the Ptolomeic Empire.

“At the time appointed he shall return and come into the south, but this time it shall not be as it was before. 30 For ships of Kittim shall come against him, and he shall lose heart and withdraw. He shall be enraged and take action against the holy covenant. He shall turn back and pay heed to those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 Forces sent by him shall occupy and profane the temple and fortress. They shall abolish the regular burnt offering and set up the abomination that makes desolate. 32 He shall seduce with intrigue those who violate the covenant; but the people who are loyal to their God shall stand firm and take action. 33 The wise among the people shall give understanding to many; for some days, however, they shall fall by sword and flame, and suffer captivity and plunder. 34 When they fall victim, they shall receive a little help, and many shall join them insincerely. 35 Some of the wise shall fall, so that they may be refined, purified, and cleansed,[f] until the time of the end, for there is still an interval until the time appointed.

There is indeed an interval, but it is within the 62 weeks. It occurs when Antiochus Epiphanes causes a lot of trouble. This lines up correctly with Daniel 11.

You were lucky you weren't living in the first Century in Jerusalem, or else you would have fried with the Pharisees for your
spiritual deafness and blindness. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is a fact. If you cannot recognize Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation as Jesus spoke of it in regards to the destruction of Jerusalem, you would be brown bread.
 

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You gather wrong. I simply rightly divide the Word, and go from Step A to Step B without illogical lacunae.

Daniel 11 describes the conflicts between the Seleucid Empire and the Ptolomeic Empire.

“At the time appointed he shall return and come into the south, but this time it shall not be as it was before. 30 For ships of Kittim shall come against him, and he shall lose heart and withdraw. He shall be enraged and take action against the holy covenant. He shall turn back and pay heed to those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 Forces sent by him shall occupy and profane the temple and fortress. They shall abolish the regular burnt offering and set up the abomination that makes desolate. 32 He shall seduce with intrigue those who violate the covenant; but the people who are loyal to their God shall stand firm and take action. 33 The wise among the people shall give understanding to many; for some days, however, they shall fall by sword and flame, and suffer captivity and plunder. 34 When they fall victim, they shall receive a little help, and many shall join them insincerely. 35 Some of the wise shall fall, so that they may be refined, purified, and cleansed,[f] until the time of the end, for there is still an interval until the time appointed.

There is indeed an interval, but it is within the 62 weeks. It occurs when Antiochus Epiphanes causes a lot of trouble. This lines up correctly with Daniel 11.

You were lucky you weren't living in the first Century in Jerusalem, or else you would have fried with the Pharisees for your
spiritual deafness and blindness. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is a fact. If you cannot recognize Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation as Jesus spoke of it in regards to the destruction of Jerusalem, you would be brown bread.
There is a reason why the "wise" shall stumble so as to be made pure even until the time of the end.
 

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Daniel 12 will tell you why.
Because in the time of evil, there will be many 'works" that will be seen clearly that these who did these "works" truly knew their GOD...

I also point you to Revelation where it is written: blessed are those who die in the Lord from now on...yes, for their "works" proceed them...

There will be many wise who will stumble so as to be made pure for the time of the end and will lead many in true and pure and holy and unbiased and impartial righteousness

While the "violent men of the covenant" as mentioned in Daniel, will make manifest that they truly did not know Their GOD...


Not by power or by might, sayeth the LORD...but by MY SPIRIT.

It's just that in the time of evil, many will ___________misrepresent the SPIRIT of GOD and will "go out" making manifest that they went out and by their own spirit, did those things that were against the SPIRIT of GOD...
 

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This is also why in the last days, when HE sends out HIS CRAFTSMEN,HE will also go and put a mark on the foreheads of all those who are appalled by the atrocities which will happen in the last days...

but for many, love and truth will be cast down...and with it, even natural love...as a father for his son and as a son for his father...
Because in the day of evil, many will look left and right at trouble and woes, and instead of repenting and waiting for HIM, knowing that the time is at hand, even at the door, many will rather look up curse/blame their GOD and their King and be cast into utter darkness.

Blessed the man who keeps his eyes set above and beyond to HIS REDEEMER who lives, knowing that even as HE delays, even as HE (temporarily) hides HIS FACE from "Jacob's troubles"...HE will no longer delay but will come straightway...

Blessed the man who waits 1335 days and keeps his garment with him...

You know that garment, correct?
 
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The work of the people in the time of evil is to REMAIN IN HIM and not to go out from HIM...
There was a "city of" REFUGE provided.

Oh, that many would come to the revelation of THE TRUTH that GOD has provided for all men...A REFUGE...

May they flee to the "city of" REFUGE and "not go out"...
 

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I want to add to my last line in my previous post #207...because while I said there will be many who will make manifest by their "works" that they knew of whose SPIRIT they truly were of/they knew and recognized GOD...there will also be those who will make manifest by their "works" that they did not know of whose SPIRIT they truly were of/they did not know their GOD as they claimed...
 
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Can you explain more?

Daniel 12 tells us:

3 [FONT=&quot]Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky,[/FONT][FONT=&quot][b][/FONT][FONT=&quot] and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.[/FONT]

So the refinement of the wise seems to be with the eventual purpose of the Jews starting the first Century Church


Daniel 12 will tell you why.
Because in the time of evil, there will be many 'works" that will be seen clearly that these who did these "works" truly knew their GOD...

I also point you to Revelation where it is written: blessed are those who die in the Lord from now on...yes, for their "works" proceed them...

There will be many wise who will stumble so as to be made pure for the time of the end and will lead many in true and pure and holy and unbiased and impartial righteousness

While the "violent men of the covenant" as mentioned in Daniel, will make manifest that they truly did not know Their GOD...


Not by power or by might, sayeth the LORD...but by MY SPIRIT.

It's just that in the time of evil, many will ___________misrepresent the SPIRIT of GOD and will "go out" making manifest that they went out and by their own spirit, did those things that were against the SPIRIT of GOD...
 

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Can you explain more?

Daniel 12 tells us:

3 Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky,[b] and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.

So the refinement of the wise seems to be with the eventual purpose of the Jews starting the first Century Church
The "refinement" the "purification" the "pruning" the "laundering" of the "wise" is that they will remain in the way of HOLY righteousness despite the day of evil...
 

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Yes HE did...because that is what the word said. (1Peter 3 - maybe you need to review it again?)

And who called them "evil"?

You?

Obviously, you show your confusion right there, and especially that you didn't bother to read all my previous post. I very MUCH believe Jesus went to Haides after He died on the cross, and preached to sinners in the prison house from back in the OT, and He led them out of the prison house in the heavenly (Isa.42:7).

IF YOU HAD BOTHERED TO READ... ALL OF MY POST, YOU WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD MY POSITION ON THAT. BUT INSTEAD YOU JUMPED ON ME WITH A FALSE ACCUSATION.

YOU SIR, ARE SIMPLY 'MAD'!
 

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You gather wrong. I simply rightly divide the Word, and go from Step A to Step B without illogical lacunae.
That's strange, because rightly dividing God's Word is what I do, as I study it like a workman. So one of us here is fibbin'.

Daniel 11 describes the conflicts between the Seleucid Empire and the Ptolomeic Empire.

“At the time appointed he shall return and come into the south, but this time it shall not be as it was before. 30 For ships of Kittim shall come against him, and he shall lose heart and withdraw. He shall be enraged and take action against the holy covenant. He shall turn back and pay heed to those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 Forces sent by him shall occupy and profane the temple and fortress. They shall abolish the regular burnt offering and set up the abomination that makes desolate. 32 He shall seduce with intrigue those who violate the covenant; but the people who are loyal to their God shall stand firm and take action. 33 The wise among the people shall give understanding to many; for some days, however, they shall fall by sword and flame, and suffer captivity and plunder. 34 When they fall victim, they shall receive a little help, and many shall join them insincerely. 35 Some of the wise shall fall, so that they may be refined, purified, and cleansed,[f] until the time of the end, for there is still an interval until the time appointed.

There is indeed an interval, but it is within the 62 weeks. It occurs when Antiochus Epiphanes causes a lot of trouble. This lines up correctly with Daniel 11.
Daniel 12 speaks of the placing of the abomination of desolation being for the 'end', even revealing time periods of 45 and 75 days after the abomination has ended. Since Dan.12 is revealing events for the end about the abomination of desolation, then it means other mention of the abomination of desolation event, like in Dan.8, Dan.9, and Dan.11, are ALL LINKED FOR THE END OF THIS WORLD. That makes sense too in Scripture, because Jesus was giving seven main signs of the very end of this world in Matthew 24, with the placing of the "abomination of desolation" in a temple at Jerusalem being one of them He mentioned.

Matt 24:15-16
15 When ye therefore shall see the
abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
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Dan 12:8-13
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
KJV


Antiochus IV conquered Jerusalem in 165 B.C., went inside the temple and desolated it by sacrificing swine upon the altar and spreading its broth around the temple. He then setup an idol in Zeus worship and commanded all to bow to it. But that was 165-170 B.C. when he did that. Jesus gave the prophecy of the "abomination of desolation" from the Book of Daniel around 200 years later. So Antiochus IV certainly did not fulfill the Daniel prophecy. Nor did the Romans in the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem and the temple; the temple burned down before they could seize control of it.

If someone came along and told me that above Dan.12 Scripture was already fulfilled back in history, I'd know they were coming from some SDA faction or type of belief system from men. But that's alright, the Jews aren't given to really understand the 70 weeks prophecy in today's time; but they will have understood it when Jesus comes a 2nd time.

You were lucky you weren't living in the first Century in Jerusalem, or else you would have fried with the Pharisees for your
spiritual deafness and blindness. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is a fact. If you cannot recognize Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation as Jesus spoke of it in regards to the destruction of Jerusalem, you would be brown bread.
It would have been an HONOR to die for Jesus back then, just to be able to have met my Lord Jesus right here on earth. But you can side with the blind Pharisees all you want, they're like Jesus said about them, like tombs full of dead men's bones.
 
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Ok, dodging correction and still spreading misinformation. maybe you could open your own thread on your false teachings?

That's strange, because rightly dividing God's Word is what I do, as I study it like a workman. So one of us here is fibbin'.



Daniel 12 speaks of the placing of the abomination of desolation being for the 'end', even revealing time periods of 45 and 75 days after the abomination has ended. Since Dan.12 is revealing events for the end about the abomination of desolation, then it means other mention of the abomination of desolation event, like in Dan.8, Dan.9, and Dan.11, are ALL LINKED FOR THE END OF THIS WORLD. That makes sense too in Scripture, because Jesus was giving seven main signs of the very end of this world in Matthew 24, with the placing of the "abomination of desolation" in a temple at Jerusalem being one of them He mentioned.

Matt 24:15-16
15 When ye therefore shall see the
abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
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Dan 12:8-13
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
KJV


Antiochus IV conquered Jerusalem in 165 B.C., went inside the temple and desolated it by sacrificing swine upon the altar and spreading its broth around the temple. He then setup an idol in Zeus worship and commanded all to bow to it. But that was 165-170 B.C. when he did that. Jesus gave the prophecy of the "abomination of desolation" from the Book of Daniel around 200 years later. So Antiochus IV certainly did not fulfill the Daniel prophecy. Nor did the Romans in the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem and the temple; the temple burned down before they could seize control of it.

If someone came along and told me that above Dan.12 Scripture was already fulfilled back in history, I'd know they were coming from some SDA faction or type of belief system from men. But that's alright, the Jews aren't given to really understand the 70 weeks prophecy in today's time; but they will have understood it when Jesus comes a 2nd time.



It would have been an HONOR to die for Jesus back then, just to be able to have met my Lord Jesus right here on earth. But you can side with the blind Pharisees all you want, they're like Jesus said about them, like tombs full of dead men's bones.
 

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Ok, dodging correction and still spreading misinformation. maybe you could open your own thread on your false teachings?
If this were a true public debate, you would have just lost it completely with that idiotic statement.
 
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No DP. Don't start mud-slinging with me and expect to walk away not smelling of dirt.

That's strange, because rightly dividing God's Word is what I do, as I study it like a workman. So one of us here is fibbin'.
If you accuse someone of lying, then expect a harsh retort. You are dragging this board down with your bad attitude, which, harnessed with your poor interpretations, makes for a very ugly presence
 
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Getting back to the matter in hand, the 1290 and 1335 years are catching my attention.

2625 (1290 + 1335) years from 608 BC, the date Babylon first took Judah captive, and the starting point of Jeremiah's 70 years, brings us to 2016, a very prominent year on the calendar of the Times of The Gentiles.
 

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No DP. Don't start mud-slinging with me and expect to walk away not smelling of dirt.

If you accuse someone of lying, then expect a harsh retort. You are dragging this board down with your bad attitude, which, harnessed with your poor interpretations, makes for a very ugly presence
You cannot read either. I didn't accuse you of lying, I accused you of writing an idiotic statement. Go take a cold shower or something and cool off. The more mud you try to sling at me, the more falls upon your head.
 

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True, Judea was called Israel after the Babylonian captivity.
And the reason was because of what? It was because God not only scattered the ten tribes of Israel out the holy land, but also hid their identity as the "house of Israel", making them forget their Israelite heritage, and instead follow Gentile ways, as it still is today.

Yet God promised He is going to gather the ten tribed house of Israel as grain through a seive and not one grain will fall to the ground. In Genesis 49, Jacob gave a prophecy for the "last days" to each one of His sons which would become the 12 tribes of Israel. Just that by itself points to the continued existence of the lost ten tribes all the way to the end of this world.