The "real" Great Tribulation

[PlainWord]

So many Christians have been programmed to think that the Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus in Mat 24 is a world-wide event filled with massive death in the billions. Those that think this also think that the Great Tribulation is the same thing as the Wrath of God. Both views are false.

The Great Tribulation is in fact the massive attack of Israel lead by the Islamic forces to her north. The Great Tribulation is limited to Israel and is not global. Jesus is clear that only those in Judea are to flee when the Abomination of Desolation is seen. The A of D event appears to be the precursor to the invasion of Israel as we see here:

Mat 24: [SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains... [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Multiple passages in the OT support the idea that there will be a massive attack on Israel and that this attack is what triggers God's Wrath. We see this in places such as Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Zechariah, and Joel as well as other places.

Because the Wrath of God follows the Great Tribulation (of Israel) and that the Great Tribulation is not global, then there is no need for a pre Tribulation Rapture, which is another false teaching.

 

[DP]

I wish you were correct about it being only in the area of the middle east, but that's simply not true.

There would be no reason for today's globalists and existence of organizations like the U.N. pulling all nations together under a one world government system if you were correct.

And... Biblically there is more than one Israel in God's eyes. The majority of the children of Israel don't even live... in the middle east today. Surely you didn't miss seeing the 9/11 attack in NY.

 

[PlainWord]

I wish you were correct about it being only in the area of the middle east, but that's simply not true.

There would be no reason for today's globalists and existence of organizations like the U.N. pulling all nations together under a one world government system if you were correct.

And... Biblically there is more than one Israel in God's eyes. The majority of the children of Israel don't even live... in the middle east today. Surely you didn't miss seeing the 9/11 attack in NY.

My dear friend, the UN is meaningless in terms of end times prophesy. There will be no one world government and none is prophesied. What does Christ Himself say in Mat 25 which of course happens when He returns?

[SUP]32 [/SUP]All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

There are still nations, not a singular nation. There are nations here as well:

Zec 14: This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Eze 38: Thus I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.”’

Rev 19: Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

You see the nations continue to exist. The globalist never get their wish for a one-world government. God does not allow it. We see this with the Brexit that people are pulling away from the idea of loss sovereignty and globalism. A popular movement is growing in the rest of Europe and in the US as well. The clay of Islam does not mix with the iron of the west.

Your point about where the Children of Israel are located is lost on me. It matters not where they are today in terms of proving my point about the Great Tribulation dealing with Israel the country. Those in Judea are to flee. I don't see where it says those in Judea and New York City are to flee. Please explain how 911 relates to the Great Tribulation.

 

[SteelToedKodiak]

I wish you were correct about it being only in the area of the middle east, but that's simply not true.

There would be no reason for today's globalists and existence of organizations like the U.N. pulling all nations together under a one world government system if you were correct.

And... Biblically there is more than one Israel in God's eyes. The majority of the children of Israel don't even live... in the middle east today. Surely you didn't miss seeing the 9/11 attack in NY.

Agree, that is what "Globalism" means.

 

[Yet]

What does the A of D event mean? Silly me. I'm a little slow.

 

[PlainWord]

What does the A of D event mean? Silly me. I'm a little slow.

Abomination of Desolation. Sorry for the abbreviation.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What does the A of D event mean? Silly me. I'm a little slow.

Actually, you were too fast. Put it in reverse and back up a block.

 

[mpaper345]

The great tribulation is when the world that follows the beast,and his kingdom,make war against all the saints of God.

The Bible says the saints will not be united with Christ,until there is a falling away first,the religions unifying,believing they are compatible,with a false Christianity,Islam,and Judaism,as part of it,in which they will not want to hear the truth of the Bible at that time,and the man of sin steps in to the Jews new temple,and claims to be God,setting up the abomination of desolation,which he spreads his occult,no personal God,agenda,throughout the world.

The 7 years period is when God gives the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and bring Israel to the truth.

The first three and one half years,the ten horn kingdom will rule,which is the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,who hand their power over to the beast,and that is how he gets control of the world.

The beast will rule for the last three and one half years,and make war against the saints,all who hold the testimony of Jesus,prevails against the saints,wears them out,they are given in to his hands for three and one half years,and destroys the mighty,and holy,people,physically.

That is the great tribulation directed towards all saints that are with Jesus worldwide.

Jesus will get His people off the earth,and the wrath of God will be poured upon all the people that followed the beast kingdom,leading up to the battle of Armageddon,which is when the world that followed the beast kingdom attacks Jerusalem,Israel,and Jesus comes back with His people,and saves Israel.

There will be no attack on Israel during the 7 years period,a physical attack,although the Jews that hold the testimony of Jesus might be attacked,because the Bible says Israel is protected for the first three and one half years,and protected for the last three and one half years,from any physical attack on their nation.

It will not be Islamic forces that attack Jerusalem,Israel,which Europe,and Russia,are basically to the north of Israel,and the Arab nations are to the left.

The main players in this invasion to the north is Magog,Gomer,Tubal,Meshech,Togarmah,which come from Japheth,which I believe the key player is Russia.

The Bible says the Roman Empire will not have her dominion taken away until Jesus puts them down.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

The truth is it is not going to be Islamic forces going against Israel,but God is going to gather all nations to fight against Jerusalem,which is not the great tribulation,but the battle of Armageddon.

And since God is going to gather all nations together,this Brexit thing will not prevail to cause them to be separate from the European Union,but would only be temporary,for not only will they be linked to the E.U.,but also to the world.

It will not be Islamic forces against Israel,for Israel is protected from physical attack for the 7 years period,and at the battle of Armageddon,it will be all nations attacking Israel,which the dominion is the Roman Empire,for they are the last ones to get it in that area,so they retain it until Jesus puts them down.

In Daniel chapter 7 the iron is the Roman Empire,and in Daniel chapter 2,the iron is the Roman Empire.

The Bible says that the iron,the Roman Empire,will mix themselves with the seed of men,all other races,so when the Bible says that the iron is mixed with clay,it means that the Roman Empire mixed themselves with all other nations,by way of the world coming together,with the Roman Empire having the dominion,and the beast shall come from the Roman Empire.

If God's purpose is to gather all nations together,Brexit is not going to stop it.

 

[miknik5]

So many Christians have been programmed to think that the Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus in Mat 24 is a world-wide event filled with massive death in the billions. Those that think this also think that the Great Tribulation is the same thing as the Wrath of God. Both views are false.

The Great Tribulation is in fact the massive attack of Israel lead by the Islamic forces to her north. The Great Tribulation is limited to Israel and is not global. Jesus is clear that only those in Judea are to flee when the Abomination of Desolation is seen. The A of D event appears to be the precursor to the invasion of Israel as we see here:

Mat 24: [SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains... [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Multiple passages in the OT support the idea that there will be a massive attack on Israel and that this attack is what triggers God's Wrath. We see this in places such as Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Zechariah, and Joel as well as other places.

Because the Wrath of God follows the Great Tribulation (of Israel) and that the Great Tribulation is not global, then there is no need for a pre Tribulation Rapture, which is another false teaching.

What is your thoughts on Daniel 12?

More specifically, when the daily sacrifice is removed...

Because it is after this that one will see standing in the holy place the abominations which causes desolation...

 

[PlainWord]

What is your thoughts on Daniel 12?

More specifically, when the daily sacrifice is removed...

Because it is after this that one will see standing in the holy place the abominations which causes desolation...

The word, "sacrifice" is not in the text. Notice the italics?

[SUP]11 [/SUP]“And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

It is the "daily" which is removed. The "daily" as mentioned by Daniel is most likely the daily prayers which take place at the Western (Wailing) Wall. There are no more animal sacrifices and I cannot imagine them coming back before Christ returns.

We do not know what the A of D will be. But we know that it causes desolation. The correct order is:

1. Defiling the Sanctuary Fortress
2. Taking away of the "daily" (most likely prayers)
3. Placing of the Abomination of Desolation (in the Holy Place)
4. Fleeing of those in Judea (those with knowledge)
5. War taking place in Israel (by Islamic northern forces)
6. King of North exalting himself above all

 

[birdie]

So many Christians have been programmed to think that the Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus in Mat 24 is a world-wide event filled with massive death in the billions. Those that think this also think that the Great Tribulation is the same thing as the Wrath of God. Both views are false.

The Great Tribulation is in fact the massive attack of Israel lead by the Islamic forces to her north. The Great Tribulation is limited to Israel and is not global. Jesus is clear that only those in Judea are to flee when the Abomination of Desolation is seen. The A of D event appears to be the precursor to the invasion of Israel as we see here:

Mat 24: [SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains... [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Multiple passages in the OT support the idea that there will be a massive attack on Israel and that this attack is what triggers God's Wrath. We see this in places such as Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Zechariah, and Joel as well as other places.

Because the Wrath of God follows the Great Tribulation (of Israel) and that the Great Tribulation is not global, then there is no need for a pre Tribulation Rapture, which is another false teaching.

Thanks for noticing that the great tribulation has to do with Israel and Judea (the area which includes Jerusalem). These are names which have spiritual counterpart in the church age and describe those who have been associated with the congregations of the church age. Israel is now a church age term and Judaea and Jerusalem and Jew as well. The Bible uses parable language to describe the events having to do with the congregations of the church age as these congregations fall away from the true gospel and Satan holds sway there, spiritually speaking, rather than Christ. He takes his seat, spiritually speaking, there in the congregations and the voice of the bridgegroom (Jesus) is not heard in the congregations any longer. When, for example, the Bible says to let those those which are in Judaea flee to the mountains, it means to let those which are in the fallen congregations of the church age (Judaea) flee to the Lord, spiritually speaking and not to the fallen congregations. The mountains means the Lord (see Psalm 125). So the true believer flees from the fallen congregations to the Lord.

I think some people mentioned the verse about the daily sacrifice ceasing from Daniel. That is just talking about the fact that Jesus' atoning sacrifice is not found in the congregations at that time period.

 

[crossnote]

So many Christians have been programmed to think that the Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus in Mat 24 is a world-wide event filled with massive death in the billions. Those that think this also think that the Great Tribulation is the same thing as the Wrath of God. Both views are false.

The Great Tribulation is in fact the massive attack of Israel lead by the Islamic forces to her north. The Great Tribulation is limited to Israel and is not global. Jesus is clear that only those in Judea are to flee when the Abomination of Desolation is seen. The A of D event appears to be the precursor to the invasion of Israel as we see here:

Mat 24: [SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains... [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Multiple passages in the OT support the idea that there will be a massive attack on Israel and that this attack is what triggers God's Wrath. We see this in places such as Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Zechariah, and Joel as well as other places.

Because the Wrath of God follows the Great Tribulation (of Israel) and that the Great Tribulation is not global, then there is no need for a pre Tribulation Rapture, which is another false teaching.

NAS Luke 21:34 "Be on guard, so that your hearts will not be weighted down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that day will not come on you suddenly like a trap; 35 for it will come upon all those who dwell on the face of all the earth.

 

[ukok102nak]

as it is written
:read:
10*And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and some of the host and of the stars it cast down to the ground, and trampled upon them.
11*Yea, it magnified itself, even to the prince of the host; ande it took away from him the continual burnt-offering , and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.f
12*Andg the host was given over to it together with the continual burnt-offering through transgression; and it cast down truth to the ground, and it did its pleasure and prospered.h
13*Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said unto that certain one who spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the continual burnt-offering , and the transgression that maketh desolate, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

... . lets continue to
:read:
27*For as the lightning cometh forth from the east, and is seen even unto the west; so shall be thep coming of the Son of man.q
28*Wheresoever the carcase is, there will ther eagles be gathered together.s
29*But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30*and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31*And he shall send forth his angelst withu a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[PlainWord]

Thanks for noticing that the great tribulation has to do with Israel and Judea (the area which includes Jerusalem). These are names which have spiritual counterpart in the church age and describe those who have been associated with the congregations of the church age. Israel is now a church age term and Judaea and Jerusalem and Jew as well. The Bible uses parable language to describe the events having to do with the congregations of the church age as these congregations fall away from the true gospel and Satan holds sway there, spiritually speaking, rather than Christ. He takes his seat, spiritually speaking, there in the congregations and the voice of the bridgegroom (Jesus) is not heard in the congregations any longer. When, for example, the Bible says to let those those which are in Judaea flee to the mountains, it means to let those which are in the fallen congregations of the church age (Judaea) flee to the Lord, spiritually speaking and not to the fallen congregations. The mountains means the Lord (see Psalm 125). So the true believer flees from the fallen congregations to the Lord.

I think some people mentioned the verse about the daily sacrifice ceasing from Daniel. That is just talking about the fact that Jesus' atoning sacrifice is not found in the congregations at that time period.

That's a little more spiritualizing than I think exists here. The GT is definitely aimed at literal Judea (Israel). This is backed up by multiple OT accounts such as these:

Eze 38: [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great company and a mighty army. [SUP]16 [/SUP]You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land.

Joe 1: [SUP]6 [/SUP]For a nation has come up against My land, Strong, and without number; His teeth are the teeth of a lion, And he has the fangs of a fierce lion. [SUP]7 [/SUP]He has laid waste My vine, And ruined My fig tree; He has stripped it bare and thrown it away; Its branches are made white.

Dan 11: [SUP]33 [/SUP]And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering.

The persecution (and killings) of the church in the middle east happens before the invasion of Israel during the "beginnings of sorrows" as Jesus Himself tells us:

Mat 24: [SUP]8 [/SUP]All these are the beginning of sorrows.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.

I believe we are in the "beginning of sorrows" period now. You seem to be describing the period of the "falling away" which of course happens before the Man of Sin appears. Part of the reason for the "falling away" which Paul discusses is the severe persecution of the Church as many are afraid to continue to follow Christ when their neighbors are being beheaded.

 

[PlainWord]

NAS Luke 21:34 "Be on guard, so that your hearts will not be weighted down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that day will not come on you suddenly like a trap; 35 for it will come upon all those who dwell on the face of all the earth.

This passage is discussing the Second Coming of Christ. The "that day" mentioned is the day Christ returns. The Tribulation is over before then. When Christ returns, all will see. Luke's account may have confused you but Matthew's account makes it clear. The "partying" and not knowing is associated with the return of Christ as we see here:

Mat 24: [SUP]36 [/SUP]“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. [SUP]37 [/SUP]But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, [SUP]39 [/SUP]and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

The Great Tribulation, however, only involves Israel although the King of the North also attacks and invades other Arab/Muslim nations. The GT is certainly NOT a global event. Only those in Judea are told to flee and sadly many don't flee because they do not have understanding of the pending invasion.

 

[PlainWord]

as it is written
:read:
10*And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and some of the host and of the stars it cast down to the ground, and trampled upon them.
11*Yea, it magnified itself, even to the prince of the host; ande it took away from him the continual burnt-offering , and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.f
12*Andg the host was given over to it together with the continual burnt-offering through transgression; and it cast down truth to the ground, and it did its pleasure and prospered.h
13*Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said unto that certain one who spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the continual burnt-offering , and the transgression that maketh desolate, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

... . lets continue to
:read:
27*For as the lightning cometh forth from the east, and is seen even unto the west; so shall be thep coming of the Son of man.q
28*Wheresoever the carcase is, there will ther eagles be gathered together.s
29*But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30*and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31*And he shall send forth his angelst withu a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

:ty:

godbless us all always

The passage from Daniel 8 that you quote is referring to Antiochus IV Epiphanes. He did those things prior to the birth of Christ. The passage in Mat 24 that you cite has nothing to do with Dan 8. The "carcass" or "body" where the eagles are gathered is none other than the dead body of the beast (Satan). The wicked are taken (gathered there) to be slaughtered. Luke 17 tells us this:

[SUP]36 [/SUP]Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”[SUP] 37 [/SUP]And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?”So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”

Those taken are not raptured as many think, rather they are the wicked, the tares, being taken to the body of the beast (Satan) to be burned. This scene is also discussed in Isa 14:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. [SUP]16 [/SUP]“Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, [SUP]17 [/SUP]Who made the world as a wilderness...

and Eze 28:

[SUP]18 [/SUP]“You defiled your sanctuaries By the multitude of your iniquities, By the iniquity of your trading; Therefore I brought fire from your midst; It devoured you, And I turned you to ashes upon the earth In the sight of all who saw you. [SUP]19 [/SUP]All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you; You have become a horror, And shall be no more forever.”’”

and Dan 11:

[SUP]45 [/SUP]And he shall plant the tents of his palace between the seas and the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and no one will help him.

and Rev 19:

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

 

[DP]

My dear friend, the UN is meaningless in terms of end times prophesy. There will be no one world government and none is prophesied.

You are totally deceived then, because a one world kingdom of ten horns, ten crowns, and seven heads is exactly... what God's Word declares is going to manifest at the very end of this world, as written in Revelation 13. And it declares the beast will have power over nations, multitudes, tongues, and peoples, which certainly does not just... mean the little nation state of Israel in the middle east!

 

[crossnote]

This passage is discussing the Second Coming of Christ. The "that day" mentioned is the day Christ returns. The Tribulation is over before then. When Christ returns, all will see. Luke's account may have confused you but Matthew's account makes it clear. The "partying" and not knowing is associated with the return of Christ as we see here:

Mat 24: [SUP]36 [/SUP]“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. [SUP]37 [/SUP]But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, [SUP]39 [/SUP]and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

The Great Tribulation, however, only involves Israel although the King of the North also attacks and invades other Arab/Muslim nations. The GT is certainly NOT a global event. Only those in Judea are told to flee and sadly many don't flee because they do not have understanding of the pending invasion.

Although the GT is focused on Israel's repentance it will be world wide...

Revelation 13:7-8,14,16-17 KJVS
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. [8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: [17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 

[notuptome]

Just another thread intended to make a backhanded attack on the rapture of the church.

A little truth and a lot of untruth. Is the tribulation a Jewish event? Yes. Why because the church is gone into the presence of her Savior Christ. Does the whole world come against Israel? Yes. If God subjected the whole earth to the great flood why would He not subject the whole to the judgment of the great tribulation? The more men suffer the plagues of the great tribulation the more they will hate Israel and move to destroy Israel from off the face of the earth.

There are many things going on in geopolitics that must take place for the world to be ready for the great and traumatic end of the world.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[DP]

Just another thread intended to make a backhanded attack on the rapture of the church.

A little truth and a lot of untruth. Is the tribulation a Jewish event? Yes. Why because the church is gone into the presence of her Savior Christ. Does the whole world come against Israel? Yes. If God subjected the whole earth to the great flood why would He not subject the whole to the judgment of the great tribulation? The more men suffer the plagues of the great tribulation the more they will hate Israel and move to destroy Israel from off the face of the earth.

There are many things going on in geopolitics that must take place for the world to be ready for the great and traumatic end of the world.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

So it's OK to slap a post-tribulation belief instead, especially when a pre-trib rapture is not written in God's Word?

If you don't care to be a watchman you shouldn't downplay others being one, because our Lord Jesus told us to watch at the end of this world and not just go on about our own business as if we will have no tribulation in this world before He returns.