The "real" Great Tribulation
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I was thinking about the earthly one.
How many people hear about the Israeli and Arab Christian congregations in Israel? Or which leading Evangelists have
preached to large crowds of Israeli believers? I havnt heard of the likes of Kenneth Copeland or Benny Hinn risking their necks. There are two good reasons for that. The first is that The Israeli Government and religious elite in Israel wont allow it because they hate Christians and the Gospel every bit as much as
the most militant Muslims. The second is that Christians in the west have an eschatology that does not cater for a determined effort to convert Israeli Jews even though Jesus told us to go into all the world and preach the Gospel
they are too busy waiting for the great escape.
How many people hear about the Israeli and Arab Christian congregations in Israel? Or which leading Evangelists have
preached to large crowds of Israeli believers? I havnt heard of the likes of Kenneth Copeland or Benny Hinn risking their necks. There are two good reasons for that. The first is that The Israeli Government and religious elite in Israel wont allow it because they hate Christians and the Gospel every bit as much as
the most militant Muslims. The second is that Christians in the west have an eschatology that does not cater for a determined effort to convert Israeli Jews even though Jesus told us to go into all the world and preach the Gospel
they are too busy waiting for the great escape.
Speak for yourself. Your mean little insinuation is not becoming on the name of Christ.
Israel is a mission field just like any other in need of laborers. New York City is a good place to witness to Jewish folks many of whom are Orthodox and mean as a snake towards the gospel.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Israel is a mission field just like any other in need of laborers. New York City is a good place to witness to Jewish folks many of whom are Orthodox and mean as a snake towards the gospel.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I'm not sure about a 3rd temple. There is no direct prophesy of there being a 3rd man-made temple being built. Revelation covers a vast amount of time. The context of Rev 11 is not clear. We know John was in heaven and shown things. Was John seeing the old temple that was destroyed, the temple in heaven or a third temple on earth that is not taught anywhere? Or is John being shown the spiritual temple which is all of us?
Your entitled to your opinion. New York City may well be a good place to witness. It is also a safe place as well. The mission field in Israel is not a safe place to witness any more than it was for the early church. The fact remains that
there are Israeli and Arab Christians in Israel that face persecution for their faith and are ignored by the Christian media
there are Israeli and Arab Christians in Israel that face persecution for their faith and are ignored by the Christian media
LOL. Are you equating the "hour of trial" with the Great Tribulation? That is a mistake.
Who did John write this too? The church of Philadelphia, correct? Where was this church located? modern day Turkey.
Where does Jesus say that the Great Tribulation takes place? Judea!!!
So many Christians have been taught for so many years lies about the Great Tribulation. It is NOT THE WRATH OF GOD nor is it the DECEPTION OF THE ANTICHRIST. The Great Tribulation is the all out attack on Israel by Islamic forces to her north. The GT is the work of Satan and his army. It is this lack of understanding that has people believing in a fly away doctrine to escape something that doesn't even apply to us.
The GT is aimed specifically at Israel and nowhere else. The only people that need to worry about escaping the GT are those living in Israel/Judea at the time the Abomination of Desolation is set up. If you live in Europe, or North America or anywhere else you need not worry. God's Wrath comes after the GT and is in response to it and is aimed specifically at those who came up against Israel and against those who do not know Him and His Son. This is why Arab and Muslim kings are hiding in the rocks and caves. There are no rocks and caves in New York City or other metro areas where most live.
God warns His people who are in the area of His wrath to flee. The area of wrath is the "kingdom of the beast" (Islamic Empire) which is AKA Babylon as is clearly taught in these passages:
Rev 18: [SUP]4 [/SUP]And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
The above ties to the below.
Jer 51: [SUP]45 [/SUP]“My people, go out of the midst of her! And let everyone deliver himself from the fierce anger of the Lord...[SUP]47 [/SUP]Therefore behold, the days are coming that I will bring judgment on the carved images of Babylon; Her whole land shall be ashamed, And all her slain shall fall in her midst.
So much confusion and misunderstanding out there. The "AntiChrist" as many call him, CANNOT DECEIVE THE ELECT. He deceives primarily Muslims. He unites the Muslims by defeating Israel and showing great signs. No educated Jew or Christian is going to be deceived by him.
Who did John write this too? The church of Philadelphia, correct? Where was this church located? modern day Turkey.
Where does Jesus say that the Great Tribulation takes place? Judea!!!
So many Christians have been taught for so many years lies about the Great Tribulation. It is NOT THE WRATH OF GOD nor is it the DECEPTION OF THE ANTICHRIST. The Great Tribulation is the all out attack on Israel by Islamic forces to her north. The GT is the work of Satan and his army. It is this lack of understanding that has people believing in a fly away doctrine to escape something that doesn't even apply to us.
The GT is aimed specifically at Israel and nowhere else. The only people that need to worry about escaping the GT are those living in Israel/Judea at the time the Abomination of Desolation is set up. If you live in Europe, or North America or anywhere else you need not worry. God's Wrath comes after the GT and is in response to it and is aimed specifically at those who came up against Israel and against those who do not know Him and His Son. This is why Arab and Muslim kings are hiding in the rocks and caves. There are no rocks and caves in New York City or other metro areas where most live.
God warns His people who are in the area of His wrath to flee. The area of wrath is the "kingdom of the beast" (Islamic Empire) which is AKA Babylon as is clearly taught in these passages:
Rev 18: [SUP]4 [/SUP]And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
The above ties to the below.
Jer 51: [SUP]45 [/SUP]“My people, go out of the midst of her! And let everyone deliver himself from the fierce anger of the Lord...[SUP]47 [/SUP]Therefore behold, the days are coming that I will bring judgment on the carved images of Babylon; Her whole land shall be ashamed, And all her slain shall fall in her midst.
So much confusion and misunderstanding out there. The "AntiChrist" as many call him, CANNOT DECEIVE THE ELECT. He deceives primarily Muslims. He unites the Muslims by defeating Israel and showing great signs. No educated Jew or Christian is going to be deceived by him.
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Christian media? You mean the TV shows that glorify charismatic nonsense? Where are you going to find Christian media?
Some might argue as to the safety in New York City but where missionaries are not allowed in to witness for Christ God brings people out to places like New York City that they can be exposed to the gospel.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Some might argue as to the safety in New York City but where missionaries are not allowed in to witness for Christ God brings people out to places like New York City that they can be exposed to the gospel.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Right here:
Mat 24: [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
You have "great tribulation" specifically being used along with "those in Judea" being told to flee. Nobody else is told to flee, right? Let's look at this:
Luke 21: [SUP]20 [/SUP]“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.
Same thing. Jerusalem is surrounded by armies then those who are in Judea are to flee and nobody is to enter the country (Israel). Now compare to this:
Mark 13: “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be.
So we have three accounts telling those specifically and only in Judea to flee. Two of the three passages specifically call this event, "the Great Tribulation" or "Tribulation." We are told this "tribulation" will be the worst EVER!!
If the Great Tribulation was indeed a global event, fleeing a tiny place like Judea would make no difference, right?
Mat 24: [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
You have "great tribulation" specifically being used along with "those in Judea" being told to flee. Nobody else is told to flee, right? Let's look at this:
Luke 21: [SUP]20 [/SUP]“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.
Same thing. Jerusalem is surrounded by armies then those who are in Judea are to flee and nobody is to enter the country (Israel). Now compare to this:
Mark 13: “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be.
So we have three accounts telling those specifically and only in Judea to flee. Two of the three passages specifically call this event, "the Great Tribulation" or "Tribulation." We are told this "tribulation" will be the worst EVER!!
If the Great Tribulation was indeed a global event, fleeing a tiny place like Judea would make no difference, right?